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30ashopper

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With budget deficits soaring and President Obama pushing a trillion-dollar-plus expansion of health coverage, some Washington policymakers are taking a fresh look at a money-making idea long considered politically taboo: a national sales tax.

Common around the world, including in Europe, such a tax -- called a value-added tax, or VAT -- has not been seriously considered in the United States. But advocates say few other options can generate the kind of money the nation will need to avert fiscal calamity.

At a White House conference earlier this year on the government's budget problems, a roomful of tax experts pleaded with Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner to consider a VAT. A recent flurry of books and papers on the subject is attracting genuine, if furtive, interest in Congress. And last month, after wrestling with the White House over the massive deficits projected under Obama's policies, the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee declared that a VAT should be part of the debate.

"There is a growing awareness of the need for fundamental tax reform," Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said in an interview. "I think a VAT and a high-end income tax have got to be on the table."

"Everybody who understands our long-term budget problems understands we're going to need a new source of revenue, and a VAT is an obvious candidate," said Leonard Burman, co-director of the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, who testified on Capitol Hill this month about his own VAT plan. "It's common to the rest of the world, and we don't have it."

The surge of interest in a VAT is testament to the extraordinary depth of the nation's money troubles. While some conservatives have long argued that a consumption tax would provide a simpler and more efficient alternative to the byzantine U.S. income tax code, this time it's all about the money.

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I'd be all for this type of tax reform. Short term it would be used just to generate more revenue to cover Obama's massive debt, but long term it could be used to decrease progressive tax rates. Wouldn't it be ironic if Obama's massive deficit spending ultimately gave birth to a true fair tax at the federal level? Now that's change I could believe in. :D
 

scooterbug44

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I don't think many folks could absorb the VAT tax necessary to get us out of debt quickly or balance the books, but I wouldn't mind paying an extra penny at the checkout THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO PAYING OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT while the government works to reduce spending.
 

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I'd be all for this type of tax reform. Short term it would be used just to generate more revenue to cover Obama's massive debt, but long term it could be used to decrease progressive tax rates. Wouldn't it be ironic if Obama's massive deficit spending ultimately gave birth to a true fair tax at the federal level? Now that's change I could believe in. :D

That would be a great change. What is happening now is that they are spending billions and billions and sending us the change. Gotta get better.;-)
 

30ashopper

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I don't think many folks could absorb the VAT tax necessary to get us out of debt quickly or balance the books, but I wouldn't mind paying an extra penny at the checkout THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO PAYING OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT while the government works to reduce spending.

One penny per purchase wouldn't even scratch the surface on our annual projected deficits, it would have to be about 5% on all purchases to start, and we'd still be in the hole for the first four years or so under Obama's budget plans. (Which gives some idea of just how bad our spending problems are.) Making payments on our current debt really isn't possible because we spend way more than we have. Increasing a VAT beyond 3-5% would only drag the economy down causing a decrease in revenues. There's no magic bullet, we first have to balance spending with revenue, and then pay debt off long term.
 

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We'll need a lot more than 3-5% to build match box cars nobody wants & pay for "free" medical.

The minimum domestic travel package for the president consists of one Boeing 747, which serves as Air Force One, one back-up dummy plane and one C17 cargo plane. Thats every time the pres. flies anywhere. The trip yesterday just from Las Vegas to LA cost $265,000 just for the air travel. He does like to travel & give a speach.

A couple of the Repub. Presidentual canditates we're talking of doing away with the income tax system and replacing it with a consuption tax & the Dems wanted nothing to do with it. Now their looking at it but they will just add it to the income tax. It will be more money to blow up a wild hogs behind.
 

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As I understand it the VAT will be in addition to what we are paying. It is not tax reform like the Fair tax. Correct?:dunno:

Not initially, but it would be worth it to "take the hit" to get it passed so that once republicans are back in control it could be leveraged to lower progressive tax rates.

"Never waste a good crisis!" :D
 
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I'd be all for this type of tax reform. Short term it would be used just to generate more revenue to cover Obama's massive debt, but long term it could be used to decrease progressive tax rates. Wouldn't it be ironic if Obama's massive deficit spending ultimately gave birth to a true fair tax at the federal level? Now that's change I could believe in. :D

I don't think many folks could absorb the VAT tax necessary to get us out of debt quickly or balance the books, but I wouldn't mind paying an extra penny at the checkout THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO PAYING OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT while the government works to reduce spending.
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If we really don't want to saddle our children with huge deficits from our careless fiscal management, I think this would go a ways to help us pull out a little sooner. I also would want the revenues from this tax to go toward already incurred debt and not to further spending.

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Will B

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. I also would want the revenues from this tax to go toward already incurred debt and not to further spending.

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...and if my granny had wheels, she'd be a wheelbarrow.

Oh...and I have some beachfront property in Nevada I'd like to sell you.

Regardless of party, it's the government we're talking about.
 
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