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Minnie

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Dec 30, 2006
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Obama Proposes Longer School Days, Extended School Year

For this generation of students to remain competitive with their international peers as adults, they need to start spending more time in school. This week President Obama proposed that American school children extend their time in class, either by lengthening the school day, or spending less time on summer vacation.

“We can no longer afford an academic calendar designed when America was a nation of farmers who needed their children at home plowing the land at the end of each day,” Obama said. He continued to say “That calendar may have once made sense, but today, it puts us at a competitive disadvantage. Our children spend over a month less in school than children in South Korea. That is no way to prepare them for a 21st century economy.”

In fact, American children spend the least amount time in the classroom when compared to other countries. Currently, the school year length in the States is 180 days. Advocates are pushing further toward a 200-day school year, which would align with Thailand, Scotland and the Netherlands, and leave us a close second with Israel, South Korea and Japan, who leads with a 243-day school year.

This comes as Obama makes it very clear that education is on his hot-list of priorities. He admits the notion of spending more time in school is not “wildly popular”, but necessary.

He was applauded for his breadth of knowledge regarding the public education system in the U.S. He cited that one-third of the 13- and 14-year-olds in our country cannot read at an appropriate level for their age, and that the eighth grade curriculum is two years behind competing nations. He says the part of the problem is our “race to the bottom” mindset, wherein states are comfortable with lower standards for students.

Obama and his Secretary of Education Duncan, are truly advocates for a superior education system than that we’ve previously and currently known. It’s imperative that states use the stimulus package money to rebuild curriculum, increase teacher pay, improve school conditions, offer newer technologies to students and even extend the school year to ensure that this generation can not only keep up with their international peers, but even surpass them in the professional environment of the coming decades.

Do you agree, disagree, not sure, as to whether this will improve the quality of public education?

I know something needs to improve but do school systems that are making it work have to also go longer to improve the ones that are not.

As a substitute teacher and former full time elementary teacher I can see the merits but teacher pay would have to increase to cover the additional hours in my opinion.
 
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ItzKatzTime

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Apr 27, 2006
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I can see an extra 10-15 days in class per school year. Perhaps with an emphasis on reading. I am not for anything that puts it's priority on competition with international peers or keeping up with them, much less pushing to surpass them in a professional enviroment. I just have a problem with that attitude.

Kids grow up fast enough. I'd rather get rid of the television, limit cell phone use, ipod use and other distracting things that cover a multitude of emotional denial and low self esteem. We as adults have our own ways to cover this up.... thus keeping ourselves in a "below state". Even working longer hours is an addiction to cover stress, lonliness, loss of hope and other illnesses. I have thoughts that longer school hours and days could do the same thing.

So I guess I would be against it until there is a benifit for all involved, other then keeping up or getting ahead of our "International Joneses". Can we not focus right now on the state our own country financially??? In a few years we may not be able to even afford the school year that we have now. :dunno:
 

Hop

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It's a tough call but...teachers do spend the first month of school re-teaching what was lost over the summer. I would be open to a year-round idea if we could wrap our minds around the concept that we're not really losing vacation...it is just distributed differently.
 

TooFarTampa

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I can't remember which of two books-of-the-moment -- Outliers or Nudge, I think it was Outliers -- explained why so many students with low socioeconomic status struggle to keep up. With most of the kids who don't have a lot of parental involvement in their education, they manage to catch up to their peers or close to it during the school year, but then the summer comes and without reading or enrichment activity that many other students get, they fall behind again, and spend the next school year catching up again.

So there is a very good argument to be made for this, as a society. I also think there is a good argument for ramping up our education to match that of other industrialized countries, simply because we are now in a global marketplace and to compete economically we have to prepare our students. Unfortunately not every American family places a high priority on quality of education, in the way that some other cultures do.

The main problem I see is that this is an ivory-tower idea that will be tough to implement, even if it is the right thing to do. It makes me wince because I really think this is a lot of change at once and all these potentially good ideas and plans may end up backfiring on Obama if the people start digging their heels in even more.
 

Bob

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i have never seen a kid with a book in his hands constantly struggle in school. of 20 kids in a typical classroom, how many do you believe have a library card and use it weekly?
 

Blair

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i have never seen a kid with a book in his hands constantly struggle in school. of 20 kids in a typical classroom, how many do you believe have a library card and use it weekly?


a library???? When's there's the internet and you??? PUHLEEZE!!
 

kkddbb

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AGAINST! longer class time doesnt mean a better education. we have to get in the business of actually teaching our kids again in the time WE were all given. let kids be kids for godsake!:bang:
 

Blair

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AGAINST! longer class time doesnt mean a better education. we have to get in the business of actually teaching our kids again in the time WE were all given. let kids be kids for godsake!:bang:


Here's one to chew on...I'm a 27 year employee of the Memphis schools in IT

Our inciteful admins have decided to implement a "no fail" policy for preK through 3rd grade citing it does more damage to children to hold them back than to pass them along and keep them wtih their age group. They are going to provide "special" services and tutoring to try to catch them up but still pass them right along...Better yet, you can only fail them once in grades 4 - 8.... You could potentially have kids entering the 9th grade that still can't read at their 'grade' level

They can't read but at least they feel good about themselves???
 

LuciferSam

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Kids need a long continuous stretch of downtime. One of the joys of going to school is it feels so good when it ends and you've got that long summer to just goof off and be a kid. Then come September you're ready to go back to school, reluctantly of course. Brings back lots of fond memories. I don't recall doing anything academic over the long summers, and I have no regrets. I did spend a fair amount of time reading for pleasure however.
 
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