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30ashopper

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thank you for making this point.
it is a really important one. unfortunately many will never know or care to know these facts.

sadly, many Americans will never understand the contributions given by Nobel Peace prize nominees and recipients. they will never know about such a process, they will never understand its significance or care to. No, you do not have to be thrilled with the selection - but why not open your mind to what this selection means.. do a little homework and try to understand just a little bit about what goes into the nominations, and selection by a panel of judges in Norway - surely there is something that can be learned about the contributions of recipients. Surely we can all learn something about how people work in many different ways to make a real difference in the world (all the nominees have contributed greatly in many different ways). Perhaps it is worth a look, even if its not quite as entertaining as American Idol or Dancing with the Stars.

The NPP committee isn't really interested in the divided politics in America. they aren't really concerned about yours or my opinion or support. They made a selection based on their extensive evaluation, and upon what they judged to be good and timely. It is not a freaking democratic process. But it does involve nominations from all over the worldquite a high honor. at least in the eyes of many around the globe. every recipient is deserving.. for that matter - every nominee (with the exception of a very few inappropriate nominations which were not accepted by the committee) has contributed so much that we will never know about.

They made it to make a political point. If they had evaluated all of the candidates honestly based on achievment, it would have gone to someone else.
 
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30ashopper

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I often think how much could be accomplished if the negative energy that is sent forth over the airwaves 24 7 was turned, instead, into positive energy to bring peace, feed hungry people, especially children, educate those who can not read, heal those who are sick and dying...stop the wars, help people save their homes...stop domestic violence and eliminate drug use and sales that result in innocent children being burned almost to death in a meth fire...help elderly people who are sick and frightened, save the beaches from the oil rigs, and the rest of the environment from the oil cartels...

GW, why are you voicing this opinion now? This "negativity" you speak of has been going on for quite some time... you yourself have been a part of it on this board over the last couple years. What changed your opinion regarding the impact of this "negative" energy toward the "other side"??
 
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Bob

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muslim,not a christian, not a citizen,no experience,friends of domestic terrorists,socialist,don't like his nominations,don't want children to listen to him, strip every store in this country of ammunition, rant about wanting to see our president fail, obstructionist positions on healthcare, screaming during his address to congress, false accusations of racism,cheering the country losing an olympic bid, and griping about winning the nobel peace prize. i am truly ashamed of about 25 percent of our country. here's to you, you racist neanderthals! it's been a lovely 10 months in office.
 

30ashopper

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muslim,not a christian, not a citizen,no experience,friends of domestic terrorists,socialist,don't like his nominations,don't want children to listen to him, strip every store in this country of ammunition, rant about wanting to see our president fail, obstructionist positions on healthcare, screaming during his address to congress, false accusations of racism,cheering the country losing an olympic bid, and griping about winning the nobel peace prize. i am truly ashamed of about 25 percent of our country. here's to you, you racist neanderthals! it's been a lovely 10 months in office.

Interesting mix. Lets see if I can connect some dots

Reagan, Obama - no experience
Obama - weak on domestic terrorism
Carter, Obama - socialist
Bush, Obama - don't like his nominations
Bush, Obama - don't want kids to listen to him
Clinton, Obama - gun rights
Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush - want failure
Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama - obstructionist positions
Bush, Obama - interruptions during an address to Congress
Bob, Democratic party - false accusations of racism
Democratic party, Obama, Republican party - Cheering defeat (Iraq / Afghanistan / Olympics)
Me - griping about the winner of the peace price (today, and back when Al Gore won it.)
Bob, Democratic party - playing the race card every time somebody disagrees with the president (who happens to be half black, half white) in order to avoid the obvious.

FYI, it's been a dismal 10 months, but not because you think you understand the origin of current criticism.
 
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Teresa

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GW, why are you voicing this opinion now? This "negativity" you speak of has been going on for quite some time... you yourself have been a part of it on this board over the last couple years. What changed your opinion regarding the impact of this "negative" energy toward the "other side"??
speak for yourself 30AShop, if you please.

GW is everything and anything but negative on this board, or in life - at least in all I've ever been fortunate enough to read and participate. anything she contributes is done so with great respect for fellow posters - perhaps you refer to the fact that she has little patience for the behavior of some people or groups in this world who she cannot understand - as do I, as do you, as do we all.

let's see - GW (glenda the good witch) is someone who teaches, cares passionately, engages with members on many subjects with enthusiasm and fairness, can hold her own in a debate bringing a range of knowledge on issues as well as ability to articulate her position. she provides valuable information to her online community including good written sources. she writes eloquently about her beliefs, concerns and dreams for a better world. and does all this with a great deal of respect for all her fellow SoWal members. I am pretty sure that GW is a really good example of a community peacekeeper - both in our town and on this forum. without people like GW, we would have a lot more head butting whining contests, and a lot less exchange of real dialog and ideas. luckily she provides us with a lot of refreshing relief from ourselves.

we do see a lot of negative stuff in this world. and some here as well. GW is not a contributor in that arena. most of us actually do bring negativity with us from time to time - such as your above unnecessary/unfair post. I have never seen GW do so.

whew. glad I got that out of my system. I feel much better. you owe me $89.50 GW. ha.
 
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Bob

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Interesting mix. Lets see if I can connect some dots

Reagan - no experience
Obama - weak on domestic terrorism
Carter - socialist
Bush - don't like his nominations
Bush - don't want kids to listen to him
Clinton - gun rights
Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush - want failure
Bush, Obama - obstructionist positions
Bush, Obama - interruptions during an address to Congress
Democratic party - false accusations of racism
Democratic party - Declaring defeat in Iraq / Afghanistan
Me - griping about the winner of the peace price (today, and back when Al Gore won it.)
Democratic party - playing the race card simply because somebody disagreed with the president (who happens to be half black, half white.)

FYI, it's been a dismal 10 months, but not because you think you understand the origin of current criticism.
you can wash all you want with the libertarian soap, but you're still a republican. i enjoyed your affirmative action comment. was that a slip or did you think it would be funny?
 

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They made it to make a political point. If they had evaluated all of the candidates honestly based on achievment, it would have gone to someone else.

and? so? ya think? actually, I do think so. perhaps right now, in this moment, that is exactly the kind of point they are seeking to make. and it seems you understand it well.

your comments are understandable, if somewhat politically motivated, much like the selection process.


I've enjoyed some of the comments I've seen on CNN's site. its amazing how some folks really truly do NOT understand that Obama did not ask for this prize. its kind of sad how some people respond with such hostility. but mostly I saw proud Americans congratulating their president and encouraging him and the rest of the world to go forth and continue the good work. they kind of collectively agree that while Obama does embody peace in his policies, in his positive campaign, in his desire to work with all people, nations, build racial and other bridges, etc... that this prize is really an affirmation of our election, and a very sincere thank you from the rest of the world, or at least from the Nobel Peace Prize committee/judges.

Someone did have a good point that the Prize should not have gone to Obama just yet because the Nobel Peace Prize represents such high praise and in this case the highest of expectations of the new leader.. it has the potential to distract from or minimize the President's real work now and in the future. (and what a distraction it has become already) In other words, find another way to show American voters that the world is thankful, thrilled and supportive of the current US path. The world truly breathes a collective sigh of relief and gratitude. Giving the Prize to Obama (and the US) so soon gives encouragement to us all. But it also has potential to undermine or distract from the real work in the years to come. (I think this line of thinking has some merit).

I liked these comments...
As Ghandi said “Be the change you want to see in the world.” By eliminating torture and returning to the ideals upon which our country was founded, by reaching out to the Muslim World with his speech in Cairo, by fully engaging in diplomacy as a means of resolving disputes between nations, Obama has taken action that gives us hope for the future. The problems we face have been long in the making, and they will take a tranformational leader to eliminate them. In awarding this prize to Obama, the awards committee is saying “in this man, our hope for the future lies.” I think they were very wise to recognize this, and to show the rest of the world the truth of this statement. If only the naysayers could see this, or at least suspend the toxic talk and give the man a chance, perhaps we could move forward.
Not qualified? Not to worry. If he turns the USA around on global warming, nuclear non-prolieferation, Iraq and Afghanistan, he’ll deserve a second award. This one represents a global sigh of relief.
 
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Bob

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i'll bet you a bottle of bad wine that you you pulled the lever for mccain and that money hound wackjob palin when it came time to vote. who was the libertarian candidate? bob barr and fox news sociopath wayne root?? no way! right?
 

GoodWitch58

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GW, why are you voicing this opinion now? This "negativity" you speak of has been going on for quite some time... you yourself have been a part of it on this board over the last couple years. What changed your opinion regarding the impact of this "negative" energy toward the "other side"??

Just because it has been going on does not make it acceptable; nor, does it mean it should continue. It is not about politics now. The election is over: Obama won. He deserves the support of the people--disagree with his politics, but support his governing--he is the president of all of us!

At least give him a chance to get something done--we gave Bush plenty of chances and it was only when he pushed the envelop completely off the planet with the invasion of Iraq and the lies about the WMD, that the people turned against him en mass --and many of them have made a sacrifice as a result of his actions, far greater than you or I ever will.

Yes, I spoke out against President's Bush's actions in Iraq and his lack of action during Katrina. I spoke against VP Cheney's efforts to undermine the rights of American citizens and to allow torture of other people. I spoke out against Sarah Palin being considered for the VP position because I questioned her qualifications; and against John McCain when he did not have the courage to stand on the principles I believe he actually has.

I spoke out against their policies and methods, and I stand by my criticism. That is the American political way.

I did not call them names, question their citizenship or patrotism; or wish them to fail in the jobs they had been elected to do. I did not draw pictures of them with Nazi symbols and monkeys superimposed upon them. I did not question their faith or lack of...I did not say they hated other Americans.

And I spoke in many places other than this message board. And then, I worked very hard within the system of government that we have to make sure the person whom I felt was the better candidate was elected.

Since the election, when the president has not done what I wanted, I have written to his staff and emailed him to voice my opinion. I consistently talk with our Senators and Congressman and write to them when I have an idea. I contribute my time, my money and my talents to make the world a better place from my point of view. For me, I feel that is a responsibility I have as an American citizen and I take it seriously.

While I may not always approach an issue as well as I want to, I work from a position of trying to accomplish something that I believe would be an improvement. for the greatest number of people...I do not constantly go on and on about what I dislike, just for the sake of attacking the other point of view or being an obstructionist so nothing can be accomplished.

As I have said before, there are many people who, if they would stop to think, could make a positive difference--instead , too many choose to put more negative "stuff" out there, with, apparently, little thought about the consequences.

Think about those young men and women all around the world tonight who are offering up their very lives so that we can have our freedom...to be total jerks if we choose; to behave in absolutely, completely unacceptable ways; to say whatever we want, about whomever we want, with no thought of decorum or manners--I believe we owe them more than that.

I want us to be worthy of the sacrifice they are making. And, I don't think we have been lately. Of course you are free to disagree--that won't change what I choose to do., nor will it change the fact that all those members of the military, and the state department, and USAID, and CIA, and all the others, who serve in foreign lands, will continue to fight for us...because that is who they are.

And, they are far better men and women IMO than most of the ones we hear from everyday.
 
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GoodWitch58

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speak for yourself 30AShop, if you please.

GW is everything and anything but negative on this board. She is an informed member who articulates her opinions clearly without making judgement or insulting others. She is an educator, she has passion. she is an inspiration. she provides us with a lot of professional & legitimate written sources. because anything she contributes is done so with great respect for fellow posters - perhaps you refer to the fact that she has little patience or respect for the behavior of some people in this world - as do we all.

let's see - GW (glenda the good witch) is someone who teaches, cares passionately, engages with members on many subjects with enthusiasm and fairness, can hold her own in a debate bringing a range of knowledge on issues as well as ability to articulate her position. she provides valuable information to her online community, and writes eloquently about her thoughts and concerns. and does all this with a great deal of respect for all her fellow SoWal members. I am pretty sure that GW is a really good example of a community peacekeeper.

we do see a lot of negative stuff in this world. and some here as well. GW is not a contributor in that arena. most of us actually do bring negativity with us from time to time - such as your above unnecessary/unfair quote. I have never seen GW do so.

Tootsie, thank you.
 
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