Private Beaches in South Walton - Customary Use Updates & SB1622

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

I have expressed that I would be for reducing your property tax if you are willing to share the beach but your posts are unclear if that would be enough.

Ooops! I missed this golden nugget of possible compromise. My eyes normally start to glaze over when digesting your posts which consists of so much goodness, humanity and let's not forget greediness and selfishness.

So let's take that to the next level. Would you support that the public could conditionally use, let's say the back half of the beach or maybe any unused beach as of 11:00 AM in exchange for the elimination of property taxes or some other amount?

 

[mputnal]

If you're going to quote my posts, be sure to include the crux of it, especially the part that you said in 2019 for everyone to see:



Try to focus on the subject at hand (your disdain for my private property rights position as evidenced by your hostile and very mean spirited post) instead of throwing a large soup bowl of words to cover up the inadequacies of your overly stated, hypocritical position concerning goodness, humanity and all.

I do not understand how you can misread my post so badly. I do not have "disdain" for private property rights. If you stop feeling like a victim and listen to the other side of this issue you will find common ground. Maybe you can start with listening to your "hostile and mean spirited post". I also do not understand why you lack a sense of the things that make a human...well human. Why does it bother you so much to talk about our human connection to each other and our common human flaws of imperfection? Are you in denial that you and I are equally imperfect or maybe you believe that everyone that has another opinion or belief is imperfect?

 

[mputnal]

@mputnal, you never discuss any of the REALITIES of the current situation or even entertain compromises that I've thrown out there. I have accused you of being a surrogate for Dave Rauschkolb and you haven't proved me wrong. It's "All or None" with you.

Your posts just go on and on with no substance unless one considers private property rights a weapon against humanity.

I cringe at the expectation of your next post regarding humanity and all.

Oh, don't forget there are THOUSANDS of others who own private beach beach front property who feel very similar to me as evidenced by customary use litigation outcome. I'm going out on limb here... they are part of humanity as well

When you talk about "substance" are you talking about your belief that you own the beach as in exclusive use of the beach meaning that you despise other human beings existing between your home and this beautiful and very limited natural resource? You should cringe at your own lack of human connection.

I understand that you believe you are not alone with your desire for exclusive use of the beach and you are correct. You speak with emotion as if to motivate others to join your cause of exclusive use. Do you really believe that customary use threatens your happiness? Back in 2019 when MH was stirring the pot I listened to one of his TV shows. He had a guest on the show that explained to him that it is not what you own but what you share that gives this miracle life purpose and value. If you could have seen MH's face. We are all equal parts of humanity...

 

[mputnal]

Ooops! I missed this golden nugget of possible compromise. My eyes normally start to glaze over when digesting your posts which consists of so much goodness, humanity and let's not forget greediness and selfishness.

So let's take that to the next level. Would you support that the public could conditionally use, let's say the back half of the beach or maybe any unused beach as of 11:00 AM in exchange for the elimination of property taxes or some other amount?

No I would not agree to elimination of your property taxes. I would be for reducing your property tax for that portion of the beach that is being taxed with conditions that you are not allowed to put up signs or fences. Beach behavior should have conditions yes just as your behavior...

 

[Beefhart]

@mputnal i appreciate your posts!

Do Beach front owners know or care that when someone sees signs and ropes on the beach it disgusts them?

 

[mputnal]

@mputnal i appreciate your posts!

Do Beach front owners know or care that when someone sees signs and ropes on the beach it disgusts them?

I am not sure they do. Somehow they have grouped people into exclusive use and customary use with the victims being exclusive use and the villians being customary use. When I try to explain that there is a way out of this by just listening to common sense it does not help. It seems they are determined to be the victim and there is nothing that anyone can say to reason with them.

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

@mputnal "If you could have seen MH's face. We are all equal parts of humanity."

You just can't seem to make a point without continually mentioning Mike Huckabee's name and, of course, "humanity". I think your disdain for him goes far deeper than just the beach situation.

Oh wait, I'm guilty too. I guess I've mentioned Dave Rauschkolb's name more than once. Some of the differences between Huckabee and Rauschkolb:

1. Huckabee was part of a committee to work on sincere compromises for beach access before the millions were spent and wasted on litigation. Rauschkolb wasn't - instead he continuously pedaled "All or None" helping thwart any meaningful attempt for a compromise before all that money was wasted.
2. Huckabee owned direct beach front property and had a real dog in the debate and wanted to protect his private property rights. Rauschkolb did (does) not.
3. Huckabee suggested a compromise in exchange for reduced taxes. When I mentioned a similar compromise, suggesting that the back half of the beach be used in exchange for reduced tax, Rauschkolb posted that it reminded him of going to the back of the bus days. "All or None."
4. Huckabee never used intimidation / harassment tactics. I cannot say the same for Raushkolb, Florida Beaches For All and their supporters (remember the Vizcaya video?).
5. Huckabee never spread disinformation. Rauschkolb and company latched on and spread via social media the idea that Quiet Title was an instrument used by "wealthy beach front owners and their lawyers" to take away public beach, banking on the ignorance of the vast majority of the public that would allow them to believe that nonsense. Too many people believe what they read without any fact checking, simply because it fits their narrative. I'm still amazed how many times I see this ignorance on display, especially on Facebook. I do give Rauschkolb credit for capitalizing on this flaw with "humanity".
6. Huckabee would not benefit from increased beach density from a financial perspective. A man with a plethora of beach restaurants definitely would.
7. Huckabee never misrepresented himself. Raushkolb tried to convince us that the beach at Watersound, where he lives, was public because if was not, it would make Rauschkolb appear to be a hypocrite. It turns out that Watersound's beach is private with just a pedestrian easement - if the shoe fits.

I'll stop at 7 since that's a lucky number.

 

[SUP View]

@mputnal i appreciate your posts!

Do Beach front owners know or care that when someone sees signs and ropes on the beach it disgusts them?

Typically what beachfront owners care about is their property.

At our complexes, we have had people knock down our small signs, occupy our umbrella setups, move umbrella setups, place their canopies in front of our beach umbrella setups (against the Walton County ordinance), have no regard for small children in the area, and leave cans and trash as a regular part of their day. And as responsible property owners, we clean up after them.

It's not everyone that does this, but enough to cause an issue of safety and security. When you are not in control of your property, you are not in control of the situations that arise.

And the beachfront owners still have 100% of the LIABILITY if someone is injured on their property. Every good citizen should recognize, understand and assist with that issue. But the entitlement mentality will not allow that to process.

Again, this is an issue for the WCC to address and make right.

I have asked them why they do not put a trolley system in place in Grayton Beach to ferry people to the State Park there if the parking is full at the park. NO answer other than "we could look into that". And nothing happens.

Two very easy steps can be taken to make sensible people happy:

- Walton County (and/or a large group of open beach supporters) buys more beachfront property for access. That's putting your money where your mouth is.

- Everyone respects the rights of private property owners.

American as it gets.

 

[OpheliaJ]

@mputnal "If you could have seen MH's face. We are all equal parts of humanity."

You just can't seem to make a point without continually mentioning Mike Huckabee's name and, of course, "humanity". I think your disdain for him goes far deeper than just the beach situation.

Oh wait, I'm guilty too. I guess I've mentioned Dave Rauschkolb's name more than once. Some of the differences between Huckabee and Rauschkolb:

1. Huckabee was part of a committee to work on sincere compromises for beach access before the millions were spent and wasted on litigation. Rauschkolb wasn't - instead he continuously pedaled "All or None" helping thwart any meaningful attempt for a compromise before all that money was wasted.
2. Huckabee owned direct beach front property and had a real dog in the debate and wanted to protect his private property rights. Rauschkolb did (does) not.
3. Huckabee suggested a compromise in exchange for reduced taxes. When I mentioned a similar compromise, suggesting that the back half of the beach be used in exchange for reduced tax, Rauschkolb posted that it reminded him of going to the back of the bus days. "All or None."
4. Huckabee never used intimidation / harassment tactics. I cannot say the same for Raushkolb, Florida Beaches For All and their supporters (remember the Vizcaya video?).
5. Huckabee never spread disinformation. Rauschkolb and company latched on and spread via social media the idea that Quiet Title was an instrument used by "wealthy beach front owners and their lawyers" to take away public beach, banking on the ignorance of the vast majority of the public that would allow them to believe that nonsense. Too many people believe what they read without any fact checking, simply because it fits their narrative. I'm still amazed how many times I see this ignorance on display, especially on Facebook. I do give Rauschkolb credit for capitalizing on this flaw with "humanity".
6. Huckabee would not benefit from increased beach density from a financial perspective. A man with a plethora of beach restaurants definitely would.
7. Huckabee never misrepresented himself. Raushkolb tried to convince us that the beach at Watersound, where he lives, was public because if was not, it would make Rauschkolb appear to be a hypocrite. It turns out that Watersound's beach is private with just a pedestrian easement - if the shoe fits.

I'll stop at 7 since that's a lucky number.

Anyone taking Huckabee over Rauschkolb is an asshat.

 

[mputnal]

@mputnal "If you could have seen MH's face. We are all equal parts of humanity."

You just can't seem to make a point without continually mentioning Mike Huckabee's name and, of course, "humanity". I think your disdain for him goes far deeper than just the beach situation.

Oh wait, I'm guilty too. I guess I've mentioned Dave Rauschkolb's name more than once. Some of the differences between Huckabee and Rauschkolb:

1. Huckabee was part of a committee to work on sincere compromises for beach access before the millions were spent and wasted on litigation. Rauschkolb wasn't - instead he continuously pedaled "All or None" helping thwart any meaningful attempt for a compromise before all that money was wasted.
2. Huckabee owned direct beach front property and had a real dog in the debate and wanted to protect his private property rights. Rauschkolb did (does) not.
3. Huckabee suggested a compromise in exchange for reduced taxes. When I mentioned a similar compromise, suggesting that the back half of the beach be used in exchange for reduced tax, Rauschkolb posted that it reminded him of going to the back of the bus days. "All or None."
4. Huckabee never used intimidation / harassment tactics. I cannot say the same for Raushkolb, Florida Beaches For All and their supporters (remember the Vizcaya video?).
5. Huckabee never spread disinformation. Rauschkolb and company latched on and spread via social media the idea that Quiet Title was an instrument used by "wealthy beach front owners and their lawyers" to take away public beach, banking on the ignorance of the vast majority of the public that would allow them to believe that nonsense. Too many people believe what they read without any fact checking, simply because it fits their narrative. I'm still amazed how many times I see this ignorance on display, especially on Facebook. I do give Rauschkolb credit for capitalizing on this flaw with "humanity".
6. Huckabee would not benefit from increased beach density from a financial perspective. A man with a plethora of beach restaurants definitely would.
7. Huckabee never misrepresented himself. Raushkolb tried to convince us that the beach at Watersound, where he lives, was public because if was not, it would make Rauschkolb appear to be a hypocrite. It turns out that Watersound's beach is private with just a pedestrian easement - if the shoe fits.

I'll stop at 7 since that's a lucky number.

I think you may have me beat in mentioning MH in our posts

You have definitely beat me in mentioning DR a few times

I realize that wealthy powerful people impress you and everyone else is less than. It makes sense why you are trying so hard to defend him/them. People are the problem right? Working people who just want to take their family to the beach are the villains. The only fact that really matters is what gives a person true happiness. There is no common sense in putting up signs and fences to keep a family from having a little happiness. No sense whatsoever.