A few Walton County Commissioners For Sale, really cheap. Actually, I will pay someone to haul them off from Walton County if you promise they want step foot back into Walton County politricks.
Thank God for Cindy Meadows and Sara Commander, but tonight, Walton County was one vote short. :bang: Based on the precedence set tonight at the WalCo Annex, anyone can do what ever the hell they want to when it comes to developing property, because the BCC relies upon the Planning Staff and the Planning Staff says that they rely on the applicant (developer). :twisted:
A few people hired some very impressive lawyers (you know how much I hate lawyers, but I would welcome Mike Burke to represent me regarding real estate ) who ripped a new @$$ into the County Planner in charge of this NatureWalk Beach Club project. He ran Planner Tim Brown through the ringer, poking many holes in Mr. Brown's reasoning, showing numerous ways how this proposal for the Beach Club is not allowed based on the Walton County Comp Plan and based on Non-conforming use. Commissioners Pridgen and Jones voted in favor of Comm Brannon's motion. Commissioner Jones even had the audacity to state that he was voting based on evidence presented and the recommendation of the Staff. As a reminder, the Staff Planner, Tim Brown, contradicted his statements, and gave testimony that the project exceeded things like density, and allowable footprint.
Under the Non-conforming issue, a building can not be expanded or it loses its non-conforming use. This Beach Club will triple the square footage of the existing buildings.
I won't go into the details, but know that some of the Walton County Commissioners are not listening to the evidence given and they are basing their votes on something out of this world. I guess it would help if the Commissioners were required to actually remain in the room during the time when evidence and testimony is given. :bang:
A few Walton County Commissioners For Sale, really cheap. Remember it!
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130SoWal ExpertAuthor
I don't know that answer, but according to the rules, the Board of County Commissioners in this case of nonconforming use is the body which governs regarding the deed restrictions.
Beach Fanatic
Growth is here.
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SoWal Insider
Growth is here.
Have you been to a doctor to see about getting it removed??
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SoWal Insider
Club?s approval highlights problems with land development code
By Gabriel Tynes
Developers of Seagrove Beach?s NatureWalk community won their year-long bid to construct a private beach club Tuesday after the planning department reported it did not violate the county?s comprehensive plan.
The decision paves the way for an 18-unit condominium complex with an attached restaurant, lounge, spa, swimming pool and deck to replace the Seagrove Villas motel on County Road 30A. The club will be for the use of Nature Walk homeowners, whose primary community is about one mile north of the beach.
The project had been in limbo for several months while developers worked with a group of neighboring property owners to address concerns about density, traffic, parking and use. Several Seagrove residents complained that the beach club did not meet land use guidelines.
The 1.2 acre-parcel is zoned ?residential preservation,? which does not allow new commercial or workplace uses within a 250-foot buffer of a neighborhood planning area, such as Seagrove. Also, the designation only permits one single family unit per platted lot.
The four-story, 66,000 square-foot beach club will allow a density of 14.87 units per acre, almost three more than the 12 allowed in the highest landuse category in the county.
George Ralph Miller, representing NatureWalk developers Olsen and Associates, argued the zoning was an error, and covenants and restrictions within the original deed allow such use. Miller said furthermore, since the property is already a motel, the proposed commercial activity would not be ?new.?
The planning department?s approval hinged on a report by Assistant Planning Manager Tim Brown, who said the designation could have been an error, but his findings were based on the original covenants and restrictions.
?It?s more than likely an error,? Brown said of the zoning restrictions. ?There?s no reason to put RP on an existing commercial parcel. I can?t say what [the former planners] were thinking, but they may have wanted the commercial use to go away some time in the future.?
Either way, Brown said, the covenants and restrictions allow the developers to proceed.
?This is a train wreck,? said District 5 Commissioner Cindy Meadows, who ultimately voted against the proposal.
Meadows was referring to the limits of the planning department because of the covenants and restrictions. Without them, the developers would have had to seek approval based on a ?non-conforming use? platform. Non-conforming uses do not allow expansion of any existing developments.
Planning Director Pat Blackshear admitted the situation was sort of a quagmire that could only be regulated with amendments to the land development code.
?This is the type of situation I have been warning about since day one,? said Blackshear, who joined the department in 2005. ?We outlined some solutions in the [Evaluation and Appraisal Report] and hopefully we can adopt some amendments.?
Brown?s report stated the impacts of the new development would be ?equal to or less than? the existing non-conforming use, even though it will be two-thirds larger and more than double the occupancy guidelines suggested by the Department of Environmental Protection.
Elton Stephens, whose family has had a presence in Seagrove beach since 1949, was against the decision.
?We?re not against progress, but Seagrove is quiet and peaceful and we like it the way it is,? he said. ?This is going to bring too many people to an area of the beach that is already crowded.?
With commissioners Meadows and Sara Comander voting against the proposal, it passed 3-2. There is no word on when demolition of the Seagrove Villas will begin.
By Gabriel Tynes
Developers of Seagrove Beach?s NatureWalk community won their year-long bid to construct a private beach club Tuesday after the planning department reported it did not violate the county?s comprehensive plan.
The decision paves the way for an 18-unit condominium complex with an attached restaurant, lounge, spa, swimming pool and deck to replace the Seagrove Villas motel on County Road 30A. The club will be for the use of Nature Walk homeowners, whose primary community is about one mile north of the beach.
The project had been in limbo for several months while developers worked with a group of neighboring property owners to address concerns about density, traffic, parking and use. Several Seagrove residents complained that the beach club did not meet land use guidelines.
The 1.2 acre-parcel is zoned ?residential preservation,? which does not allow new commercial or workplace uses within a 250-foot buffer of a neighborhood planning area, such as Seagrove. Also, the designation only permits one single family unit per platted lot.
The four-story, 66,000 square-foot beach club will allow a density of 14.87 units per acre, almost three more than the 12 allowed in the highest landuse category in the county.
George Ralph Miller, representing NatureWalk developers Olsen and Associates, argued the zoning was an error, and covenants and restrictions within the original deed allow such use. Miller said furthermore, since the property is already a motel, the proposed commercial activity would not be ?new.?
The planning department?s approval hinged on a report by Assistant Planning Manager Tim Brown, who said the designation could have been an error, but his findings were based on the original covenants and restrictions.
?It?s more than likely an error,? Brown said of the zoning restrictions. ?There?s no reason to put RP on an existing commercial parcel. I can?t say what [the former planners] were thinking, but they may have wanted the commercial use to go away some time in the future.?
Either way, Brown said, the covenants and restrictions allow the developers to proceed.
?This is a train wreck,? said District 5 Commissioner Cindy Meadows, who ultimately voted against the proposal.
Meadows was referring to the limits of the planning department because of the covenants and restrictions. Without them, the developers would have had to seek approval based on a ?non-conforming use? platform. Non-conforming uses do not allow expansion of any existing developments.
Planning Director Pat Blackshear admitted the situation was sort of a quagmire that could only be regulated with amendments to the land development code.
?This is the type of situation I have been warning about since day one,? said Blackshear, who joined the department in 2005. ?We outlined some solutions in the [Evaluation and Appraisal Report] and hopefully we can adopt some amendments.?
Brown?s report stated the impacts of the new development would be ?equal to or less than? the existing non-conforming use, even though it will be two-thirds larger and more than double the occupancy guidelines suggested by the Department of Environmental Protection.
Elton Stephens, whose family has had a presence in Seagrove beach since 1949, was against the decision.
?We?re not against progress, but Seagrove is quiet and peaceful and we like it the way it is,? he said. ?This is going to bring too many people to an area of the beach that is already crowded.?
With commissioners Meadows and Sara Comander voting against the proposal, it passed 3-2. There is no word on when demolition of the Seagrove Villas will begin.
Beach Lover
Club?s approval highlights problems with land development code
By Gabriel Tynes
Developers of Seagrove Beach?s NatureWalk community won their year-long bid to construct a private beach club Tuesday after the planning department reported it did not violate the county?s comprehensive plan.
The decision paves the way for an 18-unit condominium complex with an attached restaurant, lounge, spa, swimming pool and deck to replace the Seagrove Villas motel on County Road 30A. The club will be for the use of Nature Walk homeowners, whose primary community is about one mile north of the beach.
The project had been in limbo for several months while developers worked with a group of neighboring property owners to address concerns about density, traffic, parking and use. Several Seagrove residents complained that the beach club did not meet land use guidelines.
The 1.2 acre-parcel is zoned ?residential preservation,? which does not allow new commercial or workplace uses within a 250-foot buffer of a neighborhood planning area, such as Seagrove. Also, the designation only permits one single family unit per platted lot.
The four-story, 66,000 square-foot beach club will allow a density of 14.87 units per acre, almost three more than the 12 allowed in the highest landuse category in the county.
George Ralph Miller, representing NatureWalk developers Olsen and Associates, argued the zoning was an error, and covenants and restrictions within the original deed allow such use. Miller said furthermore, since the property is already a motel, the proposed commercial activity would not be ?new.?
The planning department?s approval hinged on a report by Assistant Planning Manager Tim Brown, who said the designation could have been an error, but his findings were based on the original covenants and restrictions.
?It?s more than likely an error,? Brown said of the zoning restrictions. ?There?s no reason to put RP on an existing commercial parcel. I can?t say what [the former planners] were thinking, but they may have wanted the commercial use to go away some time in the future.?
Either way, Brown said, the covenants and restrictions allow the developers to proceed.
?This is a train wreck,? said District 5 Commissioner Cindy Meadows, who ultimately voted against the proposal.
Meadows was referring to the limits of the planning department because of the covenants and restrictions. Without them, the developers would have had to seek approval based on a ?non-conforming use? platform. Non-conforming uses do not allow expansion of any existing developments.
Planning Director Pat Blackshear admitted the situation was sort of a quagmire that could only be regulated with amendments to the land development code.
?This is the type of situation I have been warning about since day one,? said Blackshear, who joined the department in 2005. ?We outlined some solutions in the [Evaluation and Appraisal Report] and hopefully we can adopt some amendments.?
Brown?s report stated the impacts of the new development would be ?equal to or less than? the existing non-conforming use, even though it will be two-thirds larger and more than double the occupancy guidelines suggested by the Department of Environmental Protection.
Elton Stephens, whose family has had a presence in Seagrove beach since 1949, was against the decision.
?We?re not against progress, but Seagrove is quiet and peaceful and we like it the way it is,? he said. ?This is going to bring too many people to an area of the beach that is already crowded.?
With commissioners Meadows and Sara Comander voting against the proposal, it passed 3-2. There is no word on when demolition of the Seagrove Villas will begin.
Now we know why it was so important to give Redfish Village's private gated access project the go ahead. The precedent set goes right along with this one. Vote for Naturewalk was the same as RFV and by the same folks!!!
Beach Comber
To be fair, maybe it should be known that Attorney George Ralph Miller's daughter is married to Commissioner Brannon's Brother.
SoWal ExpertAuthor
To be fair, maybe it should be known that Attorney George Ralph Miller's daughter is married to Commissioner Brannon's Brother.
😱 That is news to me. If that is the case, how could Brannon even vote on the issue which benefits his family's business, much less make the motion in favor of his family's gain?
Had I known that, at the meeting, I would have questioned George Miller and asked him if he had a daughter and who she is married too. The crowd would have gasped, as would have Mr Miller when the questions were posed, not that he would have answered.
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Beach Lover
To be fair, maybe it should be known that Attorney George Ralph Miller's daughter is married to Commissioner Brannon's Brother.
Is this really true?!? I've seen a lot of bad movies, but never been in one like this, affecting my home county and a proposed development only blocks from my house.
SoWal Insider
I've only been here a few years, but Seagrove is one of those places that just doesn't need this kind of development. I also let those three CC's know that their votes were not in keeping with what South Walton Residents want or need, much less the environmental impact to that precious area, and that I hoped Walton County would ignore them next election as they have ignored Walton County. Isn't there a lawyer among us? Would it be a class action suit as it affects so many local residents. I'm a law dummy, but there must be someone who can help us. A Petition obviously doesn't do much good ...didn't we have one of those on the board?
Beach Fanatic
Also seems a little questionable to me that Scott Brannon owns a lot at Redfish. Is it just me?
Beach Comber
Also seems a little questionable to me that Scott Brannon owns a lot at Redfish. Is it just me?
I thought Redfish was a condo?
Beach Fanatic
Sorry, I stand corrected.
Beach Fanatic
Is this really true?!? I've seen a lot of bad movies, but never been in one like this, affecting my home county and a proposed development only blocks from my house.
This s*#t has been going on down here for years. Its in the politics down to the school systems. Everyone is related in some way and they are all greasing each other left and right. We all act like it will never happen here but this actually the easiest place to do it....😱
Beach Fanatic
:whack: Nice bobby j, ya finally showing those teeth!!! It feels good doesn't it.:welcome: :welcome:
Beach Comber
This s*#t has been going on down here for years. Its in the politics down to the school systems. Everyone is related in some way and they are all greasing each other left and right. We all act like it will never happen here but this actually the easiest place to do it....😱
Biting the hand that feeds you?
Banned
It appears the north is still controlling the south. My advice is to go after one commioner at a time. Pick out one and show some patience and you will beat him. If you go after all of them they will probably prevail.:cool:
Beach Fanatic
:whack: Nice bobby j, ya finally showing those teeth!!! It feels good doesn't it.:welcome: :welcome:
It feels good but please understand not my first rodeo. I have been in the battle for a long time. When we moved here they were still beating kids with paddles with holes drilled in them ... The teachers seemed to get a kick out of it! Over the years I learned you attract more flies with honey when it comes to local politics. See what happens when you rub one wrong... You will be "snobbed" before you get a chance to speak. Please understand there is a method to my madness. My message sometimes has to come in the back door.😀
Beach Fanatic
Biting the hand that feeds you?
Not sure what you mean by that but not biting any that feeds me.... IMHO Cindy Meadows is correct. This will be a train wreck. The good news is once construction starts traffic will ony be backed up to the Watersound Golf Course.
Beach Fanatic
Also seems a little questionable to me that Scott Brannon owns a lot at Redfish. Is it just me?pgurney, can you PLEASE share your "source"? Thanks!
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