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Auctions - Where's the Innovation?

Beach Lover
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Sorry for the long post but was hoping some of my thoughtful SoWalians would appreciate the topic.

Are there any auction houses out there bringing truly unique and different approaches to the way auctions are run in order to increase the participation and ultimately the price offered for properties?

Until recently I never knew how many different types of auctions there were. I only knew that there was something that just didn't feel right about the prospect of winning an auction. If you win, everyone else valued the property less than what you offered. How can anyone feel good about that?

I came across the following book and discovered a whole new world of how auctions are run...

Amazon.com: The Art of Strategy: A Game Theorist's Guide to Success in Business and Life: Avinash K. Dixit, Barry J. Nalebuff: Books

Some examples:

  • English auction, also known as an open ascending price auction. This type of auction is arguably the most common form of auction in use today. Participants bid openly against one another, with each subsequent bid higher than the previous bid. The auction ends when no participant is willing to bid further, at which point the highest bidder pays their bid.

  • Dutch auction also known as an open descending price auction. In the traditional Dutch auction the auctioneer begins with a high asking price which is lowered until some participant is willing to accept the auctioneer's price. The winning participant pays the last announced price.

  • Sealed first-price auction, In this type of auction all bidders simultaneously submit sealed bids so that no bidder knows the bid of any other participant. The highest bidder pays the price they submitted. This type of auction is distinct from the English auction, in that bidders can only submit one bid each. Furthermore, as bidders cannot see the bids of other participants they cannot adjust their own bids accordingly.

  • Vickrey auction, also known as a sealed-bid second-price auction. This is identical to the sealed first-price auction except that the winning bidder pays the second highest bid rather than their own. (I like that!) This is very similar to the proxy bidding system used by eBay, where the winner pays the second highest bid plus a bidding increment. Although extremely important in auction theory, in practice Vickrey auctions are rarely used. (Why?)

  • No-reserve auction (NR), also known as an absolute auction, is an auction in which the item for sale will be sold regardless of price. From the seller's perspective, advertising an auction as having no reserve price can be desirable because it potentially attracts a greater number of bidders due to the possibility of a bargain. (But you better be truthful!)

  • Reserve auction is an auction where the item for sale may not be sold if the final bid is not high enough to satisfy the seller - that is, the seller reserves the right to accept or reject the highest bid.

  • Round robin auction is a variant of the English auction sometimes used to sell real estate. Potential buyers inspect the property, and then place bids before a certain deadline. Then each potential buyer is contacted by phone in a round robin fashion, told the highest bid to that point, and offered the chance to keep their previous bid, raise their bid, or drop out of the auction.

  • Japanese Auction: The main feature of the Japanese auction is that bidders must bid at each level to remain in the running for the featured item. Think of a room full of people willing to participate and everyone has their hand raised. As the price rises, hands are dropped, the last person with their hand raised wins.
There is a fascinatingly deep amount of academic research available on different auction types. The key findings are:

- According to "game theory", with a large enough pool of bidders, each auction type results in the same average price (see 2002 Nobel Prize in Economics)
- Prices will be maximized when you have a large pool of bidders

And that's the rub. If auction houses got more creative with the "way" they were auctioning properties, maybe they would attract more buyers?

I especially like the Vickrey / eBay process where the winner pays the 2nd highest price + a nominal increment. You can even combine this with a sealed auction where the winner pays the next highest bid. That in itself should increase the number of bids auction houses are getting!

I think there is some opportunity for innovation in the auction process. Maybe an auction house will get creative with how they run auctions - I think they will be a big part of the "clearing out" process over the next few quarters. It's all about volume - volume of houses listed and volume of buyers bidding.

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Smiling JOe avatar
SoWal Expert
#27
Exactly how do you reassemble the bidders and recapture the momentum after the "winner" negates their winning bid?
Simply stated, you don't. Although if the auction company is ran by half-way hungry people, they will take a second and third back up contract from the other bidders, but in most cases that I have seen lately, if the winning bid doesn't close the deal, the lender sure as heck isn't going to approve the second place bid.
SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#28
Simply stated, you don't. Although if the auction company is ran by half-way hungry people, they will take a second and third back up contract from the other bidders, but in most cases that I have seen lately, if the winning bid doesn't close the deal, the lender sure as heck isn't going to approve the second place bid.

This exchange got me thinking about an auction thread from the beginning of the year.

In that thread I asked some questions about an auction that took place in Sarasota where the auction house reported it set a record price of $14 Million (for a $20 Million estate).

[ame="http://sowal.com/bb/showpost.php?p=339225&postcount=25"]SoWal Beaches Forum - View Single Post - Sotheby's Auction[/ame]

Poster "Sea Sotheby" was very professional and actually took time to answer my question:

[ame="http://sowal.com/bb/showpost.php?p=339843&postcount=28"]SoWal Beaches Forum - View Single Post - Sotheby's Auction[/ame]

I googled it to see how things were going and came up with this article written April '08:
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SARASOTA - Wolf Arbin Weinhold believes his father killed his mother. His brother believes it, too.

Weinhold, a maybe-wealthy 54-year-old Sarasotan, says that in 1991 his late father fed crushed sleeping pills to his cancer-stricken mother, then put a plastic bag over her head until she stopped breathing. His brother, Karl Wilms "Kip" Weinhold, says his father told him the story soon after his mother's death. But Kip still is not sure whether it was a mercy killing or murder.

"I just don't know," he said.

Five months ago, Wolf Weinhold made a very big splash, offering $14.1 million for the Sugar Bay estate on Casey Key -- the flagship property in Sarasota's biggest and glitziest real estate auction ever. Weinhold's deposit checks bounced, and half the property has since sold to another buyer.

Weinhold, the auctioneers, the auction's sponsor and the property's owner are now entangled in messy arbitration over the main parcel, and the Sarasota real estate community is bickering over how it all happened and who is to blame.

Wolf Weinhold says his bid for Sugar Bay was legitimate.

"I would not blow my brains out by doing something foolish like that," he said.

He intended to buy the property as a business venture, he said, explaining that he had extensive contacts from his Harvard and MIT days with those running certain sovereign wealth funds on behalf of governments around the world. He said it is not uncommon for a wealthy individual to want to buy property through an intermediary to stay below the radar.

"Over the years I've looked for property for myself, but also for friends and clients," Weinhold said. "I've put deals together like this before."

Kip Weinhold said that it is possible his brother intended to buy the Petrik estate on behalf of someone he had met during his Boston years. But Kip Weinhold said he thought it more likely that his brother had acted on impulse.

"When my brother called and told me about it, I got sick to my stomach," said Kip Weinhold, who received a call from his brother in February. "If he had told me beforehand that he was going to bid on some property, I would have locked him in a little room."

Wolf Weinhold now says that the best possible outcome would be for him to get out of the Sugar Bay deal.

"If the arbitration rules against me, the judgment will be paid and the property will be bought," Weinhold said. "If it goes the other way, I'll get all my costs and expenses back."

But Kip Weinhold worries that his brother could face criminal charges for writing a bad check.
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080427/REALESTATE/804270560/2055
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Oh, and by the way...the house is still up for sale:

http://fl.skysothebysrealty.com/sarasota/388906/

Funny things, these auctions.



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Beach Comber
#29
I love the concept of auction. I can't understand how an auction would work with the bi-furcation of a recission clause. Do they re-invite everyone back out and start where they left off in the bidding when someone elects not to purchase? It seems the recission period or other inspection option kick out period should be the days prior to the auction.

Exactly how do you reassemble the bidders and recapture the momentum after the "winner" negates their winning bid?

The rescission period does apply to real estate auctions. It would be nice if we could invite everyone back out to re-auction in these cases, but that is just not practical. What we do is record all the back-up bids. While a back-up bidder is not obligated to buy, they are usually still interested. We actually had a unit last month at The Sanctuary at Redfish that was rescinded and we sold it to the back-up bidder who also rescinded. We finally sold and closed it to the third back-up bidder. While this is not the norm, it illustrates the importance of recording all the back-up bids especially for condos.
SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#30
The rescission period does apply to real estate auctions. It would be nice if we could invite everyone back out to re-auction in these cases, but that is just not practical. What we do is record all the back-up bids. While a back-up bidder is not obligated to buy, they are usually still interested. We actually had a unit last month at The Sanctuary at Redfish that was rescinded and we sold it to the back-up bidder who also rescinded. We finally sold and closed it to the third back-up bidder. While this is not the norm, it illustrates the importance of recording all the back-up bids especially for condos.

Was the third guy in the daisy chain smart enough to have on offer a lower bid?



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Beach Comber
#31
Was the third guy in the daisy chain smart enough to drop his bid?

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He could have tried, but we had someone else willing to buy it at the auction price if he did not want to.
SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#32
He could have tried, but we had someone else willing to buy it at the auction price if he did not want to.

How do you know his financing wouldn't have fallen through like the other two?

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Beach Comber
#33
How do you know his financing wouldn't have fallen through like the other two?

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I never said their financing fell through. They just chose to exercise their right of rescission. As far as his qualifications, all the bidders that were at the auction were required to bring a cashier's check to registration. We do not keep the check, it just serves us as a qualifier. The high bidders put down 10% on auction day and the cashier's check is part of that deposit. This particular final buyer was actually a cash buyer.
SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#34
I never said their financing fell through. They just chose to exercise their right of rescission. As far as his qualifications, all the bidders that were at the auction were required to bring a cashier's check to registration. We do not keep the check, it just serves us as a qualifier. The high bidders put down 10% on auction day and the cashier's check is part of that deposit. This particular final buyer was actually a cash buyer.

Putting up a 10K check is a piece of cake...getting a banker to approve a loan for a Florida condo is a whole 'nother thing. I'd bet that their "exercising the rescission" was a result of financing falling through. IMO the "cash buyer" was a fool not to lower his bid when you came knocking.

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elgordoboy avatar
Beach Fanatic
#35
Was the third guy in the daisy chain smart enough to have on offer a lower bid?

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Thrust
He could have tried, but we had someone else willing to buy it at the auction price if he did not want to.
Mal-parry

How do you know his financing wouldn't have fallen through like the other two?

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Beat


I never said their financing fell through. They just chose to exercise their right of rescission. As far as his qualifications, all the bidders that were at the auction were required to bring a cashier's check to registration. We do not keep the check, it just serves us as a qualifier. The high bidders put down 10% on auction day and the cashier's check is part of that deposit. This particular final buyer was actually a cash buyer.
Derobement
Miss Critter avatar
Beach Fanatic
#36
Can we get a bit more negative here, guys? If you don't like the auction process, don't participate. Roebuck seems to be pretty straightforward in his/her posts, despite the continual bashing. I doubt many participants at auctions are neophytes in real estate. Certainly no one forces them to bid, or even to attend. I would guess that most recognize the difficulty in obtaining financing today, especially for Florida condos. And yes, there are cash buyers out there, some of whom still wish to invest in sowal real estate, thank God. Granted auctions aren't for everyone, and if you've got a great idea for moving some inventory, please share it with the rest of us, or better yet, start your own company and generate some wealth. Lord knows we could use the economic stimulus.
Banned
#37
. IMO the "cash buyer" was a fool not to lower his bid when you came knocking.


Roebuck already said there was another bidder willing to take it if he didn't.
These units were a bargain, I doubt if the buyer felt like a fool. Sheesh--I'm done with this negative crap, :bang:If you don't like auctions, stay away from them.
AAbsolute avatar
Banned
#38
Can we get a bit more negative here, guys? If you don't like the auction process, don't participate. Roebuck seems to be pretty straightforward in his/her posts, despite the continual bashing. I doubt many participants at auctions are neophytes in real estate. Certainly no one forces them to bid, or even to attend. I would guess that most recognize the difficulty in obtaining financing today, especially for Florida condos. And yes, there are cash buyers out there, some of whom still wish to invest in sowal real estate, thank God. Granted auctions aren't for everyone, and if you've got a great idea for moving some inventory, please share it with the rest of us, or better yet, start your own company and generate some wealth. Lord knows we could use the economic stimulus.

I'd love to see all real estate sales go the way of ebay. You could post the property with descriptions as substantial as you desire. You could make the property available for inspection either fully open or by appt. You could set a "buy-now" price that might serve as the target price which would close the bidding. The recission period would be the last 3 days of the auction.

There's probably a version of this that will be successfully developed. I look forward to it.
AAbsolute avatar
Banned
#39
The rescission period does apply to real estate auctions. It would be nice if we could invite everyone back out to re-auction in these cases, but that is just not practical. What we do is record all the back-up bids. While a back-up bidder is not obligated to buy, they are usually still interested. We actually had a unit last month at The Sanctuary at Redfish that was rescinded and we sold it to the back-up bidder who also rescinded. We finally sold and closed it to the third back-up bidder. While this is not the norm, it illustrates the importance of recording all the back-up bids especially for condos.

What stops a group from making a co-ordinated series of tiered bids to take advantage of recission clauses? I see co-ordinated posts on this message board for example. I'm pro-auction, I'm just wondering how the indusry is dealing with this issue.

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