The company Rosestar is trying to build a 261 + apartment complex on 331 behind the neighborhood where the Sea Bar used to be. This will bring in around 1000 + people and 500 + additional autos. After a meeting that was held on Sept 26. The person behind this is Mr. Bill Pope told us it would not be “ low income housing “ the males would average 80k and the females would make 50K per year that is there target market .
We live directly beside this proposed development & find this to be crap . Mr Pope said that once the apartments are developed that they will rent in excess of $1200 per month. If they cannot rent for the estimated cost who knows to what lengths they will go ?
Based on the employment market as well as other obvious factors that 130K for income per couple to live in an apartment , not going to happen, even if it does , do we want transient people to live near our schools and in the community?
PLEASE HELP STOP THIS ATTEND THE HEARING ON JAN 8 @ 5;00 PM IN THE ANNEX , SANTA ROSA BEACH if not write or call the PLANNING COMMISSION
The environment that they want to eliminate is prime for all types of migratory birds
and wildlife as well as the Indian artifact that may be in the area .
PLEASE WE NEED YOUR HELP !!
December 26, 2008
Re: Rosestar, LLC is proposing the development of an apartment Major Development known as "Walton County Apartments" consisting of 261 Multi-Family Units on 44? acres. The project site is located at (insert description from nearest major intersection).
Dear Property Owner:
As a property owner within three hundred (300) feet of the above referenced parcel, you are hereby Notified that the owner has made application to the Walton County Planning and Development Service Division for approval of the referenced development proposal. A site plan is enclosed for your review.
If you have questions or concerns regarding this proposal, please direct them to Ryan Christensen at 850-837-4252. you may also direct your comments or concerns in writing to the Planning and Development Services Division, 31 Coastal Centre Boulevard, Suite 100, Santa Rosa Beach, Florida 32459 or by fax to 850-622-9133 no later than 4:30 p.m. the day prior to the January 8, 2009 meeting or you may be present at the scheduled public hearing. Reference the applicant and development proposal in all correspondence.
The Planning Commission is scheduled to review this development proposal on January 8, 2009 in The Walton County Annex located at 31 Coastal Centre Boulevard, Suite 100, Santa Rosa Beach, Florida 32459. The meeting will begin at 5:00 p.m. CST.
The Planning Commission will make a recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners regarding this item either to approve, approve with conditions, or to deny. Any item / proposal tabled will be scheduled for a future Planning Commission meeting and will not go forward to the Board of County Commissioners until the Planning Commission makes a recommendation.
The Board of County Commissions will hold a public hearing on January 27, 2009 in the Walton County Annex located at 31 Coastal Centre Boulevard, Suite 100, Santa Rosa Beach, Florida 32459 and will begin at 5:00 p.m. CST. The purpose of the meeting is to review and consider the Planning Commission's recommendations on projects that is not continued or tabled.
If ownership of your property in this vicinity has changed, please return this packaged with name(s) and address (es) of the new owner(s) to Rosestar, LLC, 4100 Legendary Drive, Suite 240, Destin, FL 32541 so that they may be notified regarding these meetings.
Please be advised accordingly,
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If you do not understand the issues attend the meeting
This is on 331 before the bridge , behind Thomas Stein Thank you for reading
Please attend the meeting on the 8th or PM me we need the public to show up and voice there feelings about this type of project .
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Beach Fanatic
Where is this???
SoWal Insider
What kind of help do you need?
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Beach Fanatic
What did I miss?
Beach ComberAuthor
PLease read
Merged - cross posting is not allowed.
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Beach Fanatic
Because, deity forbid, we can't let those scruffy people who serve out dinners and clean our toilets live anywhere near where we live, can we?
This really smacks of NIMBYism to me. On first glance, it's not a bad location for a tastefully done apartment complex, provided the utility infrastructure can be put into place. It could empty out onto a federal highway without routing itself through much in the way of other low density residential streets in the area. It's near the SoWal government complex, near an area I think is zoned commercial for future development, and a number of residents would probably have kids at the high school.
And, hey, if you're concerned about safety, doesn't the WCSO have an outpost right down the way there?
This really smacks of NIMBYism to me. On first glance, it's not a bad location for a tastefully done apartment complex, provided the utility infrastructure can be put into place. It could empty out onto a federal highway without routing itself through much in the way of other low density residential streets in the area. It's near the SoWal government complex, near an area I think is zoned commercial for future development, and a number of residents would probably have kids at the high school.
And, hey, if you're concerned about safety, doesn't the WCSO have an outpost right down the way there?
Beach Comber
whatever it may be it is not needed. 261 units is a huge project when there is a ton of real estate sitting empty in south walton.
SoWal Expert
Where is this???
Parcel ID 29-2S-19-24000-004-0000
They don't need high-priced consultants to tell them that a couple making over $130,000 won't likely live in an apartment complex, nor do they need one to tell them that if they build 261 units, they won't have them filled with people paying in excess of $1200 per month, unless the apartments are really big, really fancy, cable and utilities included, have nice pools, tennis courts, etc. At least that is the case for at least a couple of years.
I'm not sure that there are 261 new jobs down here that pay $80,000 per year.
SWGB
So no one has quite seen through what this is?
Guaranteed this will be an apartment complex with high standards and screening right up until they sell them off as condos. Why not bring people in who don't have the down payment or credit to buy a house or condo now? Groom them to pay on time for 5-6 years and then sell them a condo that is about to need major repairs you don't want to handle. All the while they are paying you to live there. Not a bad idea at all.
Guaranteed this will be an apartment complex with high standards and screening right up until they sell them off as condos. Why not bring people in who don't have the down payment or credit to buy a house or condo now? Groom them to pay on time for 5-6 years and then sell them a condo that is about to need major repairs you don't want to handle. All the while they are paying you to live there. Not a bad idea at all.
SoWal Insider
Parcel ID 29-2S-19-24000-004-0000
They don't need high-priced consultants to tell them that a couple making over $130,000 won't likely live in an apartment complex, nor do they need one to tell them that if they build 261 units, they won't have them filled with people paying in excess of $1200 per month, unless the apartments are really big, really fancy, cable and utilities included, have nice pools, tennis courts, etc. At least that is the case for at least a couple of years.
I'm not sure that there are 261 new jobs down here that pay $80,000 per year.
...seems there's a bit of a delinquent tax issue with this property--do they really deserve to use the services of our county offices seeing they aren't paying their share of the price of admission?
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SoWal Expert
I will say this, when the economy turns back around, and all of the foreclosures are sold off, and rental homes are more difficult to find, a good apartment complex should work very well in this area, since there are none. I just don't think that demand will happen in the next two-three years. I may be wrong. I'm very familiar with that location, and I'm sure some of the single-family home neighbors will not like an apartment complex on the property which some think of as an estuary, not to be confused with the SubDivision, The Estuary, just to the east. As noted, being close to the high school, the library, the college, dog park, etc, could be a helpful thing to entice people to rent there.
Someone has been piling up dirt along the southern side of Cedar St (maybe the State, for road construction), on this property, on land which used to be nicely treed. I'm sure the one or two homeowners on Cedar St already hate to look across the street at that 20ft pile of black dirt every day. It is rather an eyesore. Put 500-ish people across the street, and that quiet neighborhood, suddenly, isn't very quiet.
Someone has been piling up dirt along the southern side of Cedar St (maybe the State, for road construction), on this property, on land which used to be nicely treed. I'm sure the one or two homeowners on Cedar St already hate to look across the street at that 20ft pile of black dirt every day. It is rather an eyesore. Put 500-ish people across the street, and that quiet neighborhood, suddenly, isn't very quiet.
needs to get out more
think density and traffic light.
Beach Fanatic
I'm not sure that there are 261 new jobs down here that pay $80,000 per year.
Or even 26.1, maybe 2.61 . . .
Beach Fanatic
Rather than condos or upscale apt.s my guess is this development would become known as "The Projects Of South Walton", with low rent and cheap construction. Unless the developer is trying to get a DO for buildout for many years down the line.
Beach Fanatic
Rather than condos or upscale apt.s my guess is this development would become known as "The Projects Of South Walton", with low rent and cheap construction. Unless the developer is trying to get a DO for buildout for many years down the line.
What is your "guess" based on?
SoWal Expert
Is the land zoned and the traffic count approved for a 261 unit apartment building?
Sounds more like NIMBY than concern for birds or potential Indian artifacts (since part of the building process requires researching the presence of artifacts).
Sounds more like NIMBY than concern for birds or potential Indian artifacts (since part of the building process requires researching the presence of artifacts).
Beach Fanatic
Sounds like this would be a great thing to have in the area. If that Publix ever gets kicked off you could do your shopping really close to your home. Curious as to why they want males making more than females though. Maybe they are going to offer some sort of matching singles service. Since this is clustered building it would be environmentally sound. Thanks for the information, I will be urging the BCC to approve what looks to be a world class developement.
SoWal Expert
It seems like a great location for apartments for people working in Sowal - just off 331, South of the bay, near schools, churches, library, the annex, 10-15 minutes from the major resort employers.
Perhaps we could tone down the NIMBY long enough to realize that something like this (done well of course) would be a great asset to our community. Before you start freaking out about the riff-raff potentially moving in, realize that the target income figures they cited were more than 1.5-2.5x the current average salary in Walton County, so there is still quite a bit of leeway in rent price before it becomes the Cabrini Green o' Sowal!
Affordable (and I am NOT using that as a euphimism for gov't subsidized or poor people) housing is hard to come by in this area and $1200 a month for a crappy apartment in Sowal used to be considered a deal before the real estate market tanked.
Perhaps we could tone down the NIMBY long enough to realize that something like this (done well of course) would be a great asset to our community. Before you start freaking out about the riff-raff potentially moving in, realize that the target income figures they cited were more than 1.5-2.5x the current average salary in Walton County, so there is still quite a bit of leeway in rent price before it becomes the Cabrini Green o' Sowal!
Affordable (and I am NOT using that as a euphimism for gov't subsidized or poor people) housing is hard to come by in this area and $1200 a month for a crappy apartment in Sowal used to be considered a deal before the real estate market tanked.
Beach Fanatic
Is the land zoned and the traffic count approved for a 261 unit apartment building?Very good question and the first one that should be asked. Since we don't have zoning it would be the land use codes instead. Just a correction in semantics.
Sounds more like NIMBY than concern for birds or potential Indian artifacts (since part of the building process requires researching the presence of artifacts).
Beach Fanatic
Very good question and the first one that should be asked. Since we don't have zoning it would be the land use codes instead. Just a correction in semantics.
Zoning is a curious animal. Everyone, from commissioners to developers, have told me that zoning would solve so many problems. I have even had promises from commissioners, since been broken, that when elected they would make zoning a priority, yet we can not even get a discussion started about this.
beats on hood
If you want to fight it and it is not zoned for such a development, I know how. My husband and I successfully led a fight against a high-density and incompatible development next door to our property.
I feel sorry for the owner. He has lost a lot of money. But if he had won, it would have destroyed the character of our neighborhood.
I feel sorry for the owner. He has lost a lot of money. But if he had won, it would have destroyed the character of our neighborhood.
Beach ComberAuthor
just to be clear
I work in the home cleaning industry , but I have made a long term commitment to the community we purchased our home in 2000 and pay our taxes and our children attend the local schools . Single family homes are one thing this is a different creature ....
.... please attend the hearing
I work in the home cleaning industry , but I have made a long term commitment to the community we purchased our home in 2000 and pay our taxes and our children attend the local schools . Single family homes are one thing this is a different creature ....
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SoWal Expert
Is it the idea of apartments or the density that you object to?
261 units on 44 acres is just under 6 units an acre, making it only slightly more dense than single family homes on 1/4 acre lots.
261 units on 44 acres is just under 6 units an acre, making it only slightly more dense than single family homes on 1/4 acre lots.
needs to get out more
The company Rosestar is trying to build a 261 + ...tings.[/COLOR]
Please be advised accordingly,
is this any different than the original post of this thread? you created a login for this?
SWGB
Is it the idea of apartments or the density that you object to?
261 units on 44 acres is just under 6 units an acre, making it only slightly more dense than single family homes on 1/4 acre lots.
This also sounds like upscale housing, not HUD or Section 8 housing. I believe that the OP's are afraid they'll wind up with that thing that San Destin uses. I seriously doubt that a developer is going to build high end apartments and then give up and go for welfare checks.
The other thing to consider is retirees. Many like to rent in apartment complexes such as this due to lack of maintenance costs and the general outside upkeep. I don't think anyone can produce proof of a retirement community being the source of noise complaints.
is this any different than the original post of this thread? you created a login for this?
They've just figured out like other one issue posters that they can generate what looks like support by registering multiple different names. Once this is over with I doubt we'll hear from either again.
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User accounts merged. BE AWARE has been deleted. Sock puppets are not allowed.
Neither is spam. Neither is cross posting. This is your final warning. You may find some support if you take a reasonable approach, tell us why you are opposed, and ask for help. Registering for a specific issue for your first post in this community under names like "Need Help" and "BE AWARE" is a little too alarmist right off the bat to gain sympathy. Try a softer approach and you may find help.
Neither is spam. Neither is cross posting. This is your final warning. You may find some support if you take a reasonable approach, tell us why you are opposed, and ask for help. Registering for a specific issue for your first post in this community under names like "Need Help" and "BE AWARE" is a little too alarmist right off the bat to gain sympathy. Try a softer approach and you may find help.
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