The company Rosestar is trying to build a 261 + apartment complex on 331 behind the neighborhood where the Sea Bar used to be. This will bring in around 1000 + people and 500 + additional autos. After a meeting that was held on Sept 26. The person behind this is Mr. Bill Pope told us it would not be “ low income housing “ the males would average 80k and the females would make 50K per year that is there target market .
We live directly beside this proposed development & find this to be crap . Mr Pope said that once the apartments are developed that they will rent in excess of $1200 per month. If they cannot rent for the estimated cost who knows to what lengths they will go ?
Based on the employment market as well as other obvious factors that 130K for income per couple to live in an apartment , not going to happen, even if it does , do we want transient people to live near our schools and in the community?
PLEASE HELP STOP THIS ATTEND THE HEARING ON JAN 8 @ 5;00 PM IN THE ANNEX , SANTA ROSA BEACH if not write or call the PLANNING COMMISSION
The environment that they want to eliminate is prime for all types of migratory birds
and wildlife as well as the Indian artifact that may be in the area .
PLEASE WE NEED YOUR HELP !!
December 26, 2008
Re: Rosestar, LLC is proposing the development of an apartment Major Development known as "Walton County Apartments" consisting of 261 Multi-Family Units on 44? acres. The project site is located at (insert description from nearest major intersection).
Dear Property Owner:
As a property owner within three hundred (300) feet of the above referenced parcel, you are hereby Notified that the owner has made application to the Walton County Planning and Development Service Division for approval of the referenced development proposal. A site plan is enclosed for your review.
If you have questions or concerns regarding this proposal, please direct them to Ryan Christensen at 850-837-4252. you may also direct your comments or concerns in writing to the Planning and Development Services Division, 31 Coastal Centre Boulevard, Suite 100, Santa Rosa Beach, Florida 32459 or by fax to 850-622-9133 no later than 4:30 p.m. the day prior to the January 8, 2009 meeting or you may be present at the scheduled public hearing. Reference the applicant and development proposal in all correspondence.
The Planning Commission is scheduled to review this development proposal on January 8, 2009 in The Walton County Annex located at 31 Coastal Centre Boulevard, Suite 100, Santa Rosa Beach, Florida 32459. The meeting will begin at 5:00 p.m. CST.
The Planning Commission will make a recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners regarding this item either to approve, approve with conditions, or to deny. Any item / proposal tabled will be scheduled for a future Planning Commission meeting and will not go forward to the Board of County Commissioners until the Planning Commission makes a recommendation.
The Board of County Commissions will hold a public hearing on January 27, 2009 in the Walton County Annex located at 31 Coastal Centre Boulevard, Suite 100, Santa Rosa Beach, Florida 32459 and will begin at 5:00 p.m. CST. The purpose of the meeting is to review and consider the Planning Commission's recommendations on projects that is not continued or tabled.
If ownership of your property in this vicinity has changed, please return this packaged with name(s) and address (es) of the new owner(s) to Rosestar, LLC, 4100 Legendary Drive, Suite 240, Destin, FL 32541 so that they may be notified regarding these meetings.
Please be advised accordingly,
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If you do not understand the issues attend the meeting
This is on 331 before the bridge , behind Thomas Stein Thank you for reading
Please attend the meeting on the 8th or PM me we need the public to show up and voice there feelings about this type of project .
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Banned
User accounts merged. BE AWARE has been deleted. Sock puppets are not allowed.
Neither is spam. Neither is cross posting. This is your final warning. You may find some support if you take a reasonable approach, tell us why you are opposed, and ask for help. Registering for a specific issue for your first post in this community under names like "Need Help" and "BE AWARE" is a little too alarmist right off the bat to gain sympathy. Try a softer approach and you may find help.
Good catch. I don't know how you keep up with it all.
beats on hood
Dadgum it -- I gave this person some advice worthy of a consulting fee! I am so gullible. 
SoWal Expert
Seeing 400ish cars trying to get out of that street onto a four lane, when it's time to go to work, will be rather crazy, even with a traffic light.
Banned
...seems there's a bit of a delinquent tax issue with this property--do they really deserve to use the services of our county offices seeing they aren't paying their share of the price of admission?
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It'll be paid with interest I guarantee it. Fair enough?
Beach Fanatic
I can't even post intelligently on this.
Where does the spokesman think these people are going to come from? If that target market was here, they would already be here, and not in apartment-style housing.
Perhaps it will be the dormitories for the new branch of NWFSC.
Where does the spokesman think these people are going to come from? If that target market was here, they would already be here, and not in apartment-style housing.
Perhaps it will be the dormitories for the new branch of NWFSC.
SoWal Insider
It'll be paid with interest I guarantee it. Fair enough?
...no not fair enough--they shouldn't even be given consideration whilst the taxes are delinquent....makes one wonder why they didn't (or couldn't) pay it when it was due. As I see it, they're just another crop of dead-beat developers.
de?lin?quent (d-lngkwnt, -ln-)
adj.
1. Failing to do what law or duty requires.
2. Overdue in payment: a delinquent account.
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Beach ComberAuthor
not looking for sympathy , just want people to know this developer does not seem to have the communities best interest at heart not trying to alarm anyone . We moved here for the peace and quite , the beautiful surroundings not to live behind an apartment complex , there are so many other places they could build that can support the traffic , among many other issues .... that is why we are urging people to attend the hearing see for yourselves . Thank you again for your time
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SWGB
not looking for sympathy , just want people to know this developer does not seem to have the communities best interest at heart not trying to alarm anyone . We moved here for the peace and quite , the beautiful surroundings not to live behind an apartment complex , there are so many other places they could build that can support the traffic , among many other issues .... that is why we are urging people to attend the hearing see for yourselves . Thank you again for your time
I think the best piece of advice came from SHELLY. If the developer doesn't have a canceled check for all past and current taxes due then they shouldn't even be heard at the hearing on the 27th. I believe if even one person voiced concern over their delinquency the BCC might actually wake up and realize that it shouldn't even be heard.
Beach Lover
Just someone elese who did not do reserch on what could be built around their property when they purchased it. Did they think the woods would stay that way for ever? If they are not asking for a change in property class and it is allowed under the current zoning then they should be allowed to build it. Maybe plant trees or leave a buffer to the neighbors so they do not see them. (Which is required in the code anyways)
Beach Fanatic
Just to be clear, I have no opinion on this particular project. But I do find Shallows Nole and Creeklover's comments interesting. Shallows Nole is quite right, IMHO. If I can paraphrase, the days of "build it and they will come" are over, if in fact they ever really existed except in developers' dreams. SoWal is littered with failed projects that never did any market research. On the other hand, Creeklover seems of the opinion that if the code allows it, just go ahead and approve it. Probably rightly so that it is not within the purview of the county code to consider the chances of success of the project, but what about the potential lender(s)? Since they regularly dropped the ball just about everywhere and the community gets stuck with the fallout, seems quite the dilemma. And what about all those letters of credit floating around the county planning dept.? And all the liens Regional Utilities has recently placed?
Note to Shelly: I don't think there is anything in the code regarding the status of the property taxes, so I would be very surprised indeed to see the BCC refuse to consider it on that grounds. They would be inviting a lawsuit from a lawyer who takes Creeklover's view - if it meets the code, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
Note to Shelly: I don't think there is anything in the code regarding the status of the property taxes, so I would be very surprised indeed to see the BCC refuse to consider it on that grounds. They would be inviting a lawsuit from a lawyer who takes Creeklover's view - if it meets the code, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
Beach Lover
If it does meet the code and it is not allowed with out a good reason then here comes the lawsuits any ways. Just look at Jolly Bay.
As for the letter of credits the county needs to cash in on them before all of the banks go belly up.......
As for the letter of credits the county needs to cash in on them before all of the banks go belly up.......
Beach Fanatic
I think the best piece of advice came from SHELLY. If the developer doesn't have a canceled check for all past and current taxes due then they shouldn't even be heard at the hearing on the 27th. I believe if even one person voiced concern over their delinquency the BCC might actually wake up and realize that it shouldn't even be heard.
Are you advocating a total denial of services if someone does not pay their ad valorem taxes? I thought planning was funded as much, if not more, by fees. Property taxes do not fund the complete county operation, only around a 1/3 I believe.
Beach Fanatic
not looking for sympathy , just want people to know this developer does not seem to have the communities best interest at heart not trying to alarm anyone . We moved here for the peace and quite , the beautiful surroundings not to live behind an apartment complex , there are so many other places they could build that can support the traffic , among many other issues .... that is why we are urging people to attend the hearing see for yourselves . Thank you again for your time
I, like you, moved to my current location for peace and quiet more than anything else. That is why my house sits in the middle of thirty acres, so no one else can build within the proximity of my home and disturb me.
Personally, I think it is a bit short-sighted for the number of people to constantly come forward objecting to projects and developments that are coming up because it is going to disturb their peace and quiet. If you do not want the other land developed, buy it. Or move into a restricted subdivision. But to ask for sympathy because others are developing their property?
Again, I guess I just do not understand.
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Banned
...no not fair enough--they shouldn't even be given consideration whilst the taxes are delinquent....makes one wonder why they didn't (or couldn't) pay it when it was due. As I see it, they're just another crop of dead-beat developers.
de?lin?quent (d-lngkwnt, -ln-)
adj.
1. Failing to do what law or duty requires.
2. Overdue in payment: a delinquent account.
I should have checked to see if there had been a certificate issued first.
You probably know that there are 10,000's of retired Americans who like the financial arrangement of paying down property taxes for other landowners. It is the purest and most securitized finance arrangement in the U.S. today.
Once the certificate is issued, the property taxes are paid with interest to the taxing authority. The County/State are getting exactly the return they desire on their portfolio.
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SWGB
Are you advocating a total denial of services if someone does not pay their ad valorem taxes? I thought planning was funded as much, if not more, by fees. Property taxes do not fund the complete county operation, only around a 1/3 I believe.
No, but logic dictates that if they can't pay their property taxes how are they going to come up with the money to build this project?
Beach Fanatic
No, but logic dictates that if they can't pay their property taxes how are they going to come up with the money to build this project?
An interesting leap to a conclusion. How do you know that they can't pay their property taxes instead of that they have chosen not to pay their property taxes?
Banned
No, but logic dictates that if they can't pay their property taxes how are they going to come up with the money to build this project?
That's only a maybe. Some very successful in the business finance carry costs.
Beach Fanatic
But don't past due property taxes have first priority over other liens on a property? If so, I suspect that banks and lenders are going to be far more reluctant to lend to companies with a history of letting the taxes slide given current market conditions.
Banned
But don't past due property taxes have first priority over other liens on a property? If so, I suspect that banks and lenders are going to be far more reluctant to lend to companies with a history of letting the taxes slide given current market conditions.
Property Tax Certificates have super priority over every other encumbrance. There is no other investment vehicle that I have ever heard of that has more rate of return and security combined. It's just a line on the HUD 1.
SoWal Expert
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Personally, I think it is a bit short-sighted for the number of people to constantly come forward objecting to projects and developments that are coming up because it is going to disturb their peace and quiet. If you do not want the other land developed, buy it. Or move into a restricted subdivision. But to ask for sympathy because others are developing their property?
Again, I guess I just do not understand.
How will moving into a restricted subdivision, keep adjacent large tracks from being developed?
Beach Fanatic
How will moving into a restricted subdivision, keep adjacent large tracks from being developed?
Restrictions should keep apartment complexes from the area.
SoWal Expert
How? Restrictions are for only the particular subdivision with the C&Rs, not the adjacent 40 acre parcel.
Beach Fanatic
How? Restrictions are for only the particular subdivision with the C&Rs, not the adjacent 40 acre parcel.
Move into a larger subdivision. I guess when I think of restricted gated communities I am thinking of Sandestin and larger places like that. Thinking about it there are not many of that size in south Walton. My parents have retired in Sarasota and massive gated communities are the norm from what I see when I am in the area.
Beach ComberAuthor
Thanks for the input
Since this has been posted, I have gained additional insight, and would like to thank all whom have responded. A retirement community would be well received. Ultimately
?What will be will be ?. We want fair and reasonable priced housing for the community.
[FONT="]But we are also concerned about the environmental impact and traffic and the lack of current employment for many. We do wish the developer success in hopes that if this goes forward they will keep some perspective for the people it directly impacts[/FONT]
Since this has been posted, I have gained additional insight, and would like to thank all whom have responded. A retirement community would be well received. Ultimately
?What will be will be ?. We want fair and reasonable priced housing for the community.
[FONT="]But we are also concerned about the environmental impact and traffic and the lack of current employment for many. We do wish the developer success in hopes that if this goes forward they will keep some perspective for the people it directly impacts[/FONT]
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SoWal Expert
Move into a larger subdivision. I guess when I think of restricted gated communities I am thinking of Sandestin and larger places like that. Thinking about it there are not many of that size in south Walton. My parents have retired in Sarasota and massive gated communities are the norm from what I see when I am in the area.
Restricted subdivsions in South Walton are all over the place, and I'd bet that most are less than 40 acres, nothing like Sandestin. You don't need gates to have restrictions, and the properties on the border of the restricted subdivision still sees and hears the neighbors. If you don't believe me, drive down Mack Bayou Rd and look at some of the houses backing up to those in Sandestin.
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