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July 20 Coastal News Blog

Resort Real Estate Just Coasting along

Are We There Yet?

After 6 years of interesting growth and decline, do we know where we are? Are we "off-track" or just in another cycle that has taken a lower than usual dip to the south? How you read the answer will depend on the reason for heading to the coast in the first place.

Coastal-Edge perspective on where we are and how we got here...
A roadmap explaining where the coastal resort industry is headed isn't necessary for the locals. These are the individuals who have chosen to migrate to the coast for non-market-related reasons: the sea breeze, morning walks on powder white sand, and remarkable sunsets. These individuals are exactly where they want to be - at the beach. The locals, or end-users, are coastal resort investors who are commited to the community. Their return on investment begins the day they set foot at the beach. But there is another set of individuals who head coastward for an entirely different reason - for the sake of investment.

Clearly, it's still true that investing in coastal resort property is one of the wisest long-term investments one can make, but many individuals invested with high stakes expecting outrageous short-term return. When the market suddenly spiraled out of control it pulled many of those investors down with it.

The Road to Ruin: Wall Street
When the already troubled stock market (decline began shortly after Y2K or 2000) took another deeper, fear induced plunge after 9/11/2001, financially driven investors sought out brick and mortar investments. They were looking for something solid that they knew would stand should the stock market fail. So they headed to the one place where they could invest in their own future - Real estate. Those investors knew little to nothing about real estate, they were stock market "junkies" who needed a new investment fix. What started out as a very wise choice ended up taking the entire country down a long and difficult road.

The Feeding Frenzy
In the beginning, these investors began wisely buying up the most pristine properties, but they soon went back to their old habits. The minute they saw an increase in value, they began to "flip" their coastal and resort property as if it were stock. Buying, selling; buying, selling. Much of the most beautiful and sought after resort markets were being bought up by people who didn't know or care anything about it. The coastal resort market went crazy, and the investors wanted more.

Many "new" developers appeared on the horizon wanting bigger pieces of the pie. They built countless communities for "ghost dwellers" -- those frenzied Wall Street speculators. These speculators would drive up demand by buying entire blocks, 10-20 units, at a time without any intention of living in them; they bought them to "flip" them.


Many developers didn't realize what was happening, they only saw increased demand. They didn't realize that there may only be one end-user for every 10 units they built. They began submitting new plans, new applications for bigger financing and numerous permit requests. The lenders and banks jumped onboard -- BIG TIME. This was the ultimate doom for the industry, but not before the rest of the country came along for the ride. The stock market began to rebound on the tails of a robust real estate market, and everything looked great.

Clarification:
Of course there were, and are the legitimate builders. The true "place makers" and visioneers, but the industry suffered because of the many who just looked toward the immediate bottom line - a familiar Wall Street trend.

Scenario - Katrina.
August to December 2005 started the beginning of the end for the real estate boom. A hurricane blew the real estate industry into a new kind of frenzy -- an old-fashioned Wall Street "sell-off."

After hurricane Katrina, all those "ghost dwellers" or non-committal Wall Street flippers panicked -- as they always do when there's a national crisis. They began to sell off their real estate holdings as if they were penny stocks. They didn't honor contracts; they had no intention of living in those tens of thousands of spec homes and condos. This was all about investment and money. It wasn't that coastal real estate soured or turned bleak, but it was the actions of speculation that cast clouds of uncertainty. It was the speculators who didn't understand the unmistakable value of the coast, and refused to appreciate it for what it has to offer.

The developers were left with useless paper and no cash, and the real consumers who had a dream were left with unmet promises and the banks and lenders were caught with their pants down.

How did this all spread inland?
A boom is a boom. Inland developers saw what was happening on the coast and figured this was just a natural surge. Sadly they were wrong. Million dollar spec homes were now easy to build because the banks had seen so much money being infused into the marketplace, the banks and lenders totally lost their senses.

Conclusion
Real estate needs to be treated as just that REAL estate. REAL buyers, with REAL money, and REAL jobs -- REALity.

Back to the beginning -- Are we there yet? For those who still have dreams of migrating or retiring to warmer climates and balmy sea breezes, hold on to your dreams. Those falsely inflated prices by our bubble-blowing friends on Wall Street have been falling back down to almost reasonable again. On the present course, it wont be long until the cycle returns to a slightly new "normal."

The coast is still beautiful, the sunsets are still just as magnificent and there is definitely a LARGE supply of coastal properties from which to choose.

The true "place makers" and visioneers will continue to plan, invest, build and develop, and Coastal-Edge will continue to provide market intelligence: the key is to "know before you grow."

In the end, it is the opinion of Coastal-Edge that coastal and resort real estate is still just as valuable as before - the breeze is still balmy, the sand still washes between your toes as you walk down the beach and the sun still sets in blankets of gold, orange, red and purple. The coast is more than getting the biggest bang for the buck; it's a wonderful way of life.

Coastal-Edge will continue to monitor the news and keep you up-to-date on the latest.


Below: Chronological look at the Dow and the construction industry



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SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#2
Coastal,

You stated that you spent the past 5 years studying real estate...have you published any reports/blogs/articles during 2004/05? I'd like to read them.

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Beach ComberAuthor
#3
Coastal,

You stated that you spent the past 5 years studying real estate...have you published any reports/blogs/articles during 2004/05? I'd like to read them.

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Lots of private studies. I'd be happy to send you a sample CMS with names removed. Let me know.
Beach ComberAuthor
#4
Coastal,

You stated that you spent the past 5 years studying real estate...have you published any reports/blogs/articles during 2004/05? I'd like to read them.

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I've done reports for developers on the following areas:
Walton Cty
Bay County
Naples
Palm Beach
Hilton Head
Enterprise, AL
Phenix City, AL
Raleig, NC
Dallas mid-rise, Dallas hi-rise
Phoenix, AZ
Las Vegas
Brentwood/Nashville/Franklin Mkts

Reports are generally Market Intelligence for developers. I keep all my info confidential, but as I said, I can remove names and find something specific if you seriously would like to see "where I've bee and what I've done." :)

Love to see the same. Do have any blogs or posts that might tell me more about you?
Suzette
SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#5
Lots of private studies. I'd be happy to send you a sample CMS with names removed. Let me know.

Can't you just post a sample CMS from Walton County 2004 (with the names removed) here?


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SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#6
Love to see the same. Do have any blogs or posts that might tell me more about you?
Suzette

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Beach ComberAuthor
#7
Why 2004?
Beach ComberAuthor
#8
By the way, a typical Coastal-Edge CMS is about 35+ pages. Are you hiring? ;)
SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#9
Why 2004?

I've read so many RE reports from folks who claim to know where RE is heading; I like to read their take on RE during the "bubble years" of 2004-05 and then during the "it's the bottom" years of 2006-07 before I determine their credibility of projecting the value of RE going forward. It's just too easy to look back and say, "this is what happened" -- that's all.

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SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#10
By the way, a typical Coastal-Edge CMS is about 35+ pages. Are you hiring? ;)

If you're looking for a job, there's a Help Wanted area of SoWal.com.

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Beach ComberAuthor
#11
I've read so many RE reports from folks who claim to know where RE is heading; I like to read their take on RE during the "bubble years" of 2004-05 and then during the "it's the bottom" years of 2006-07 before I determine their credibility of projecting the value of RE going forward. It's just too easy to look back and say, "this is what happened" -- that's all.

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Well, it should be hindsight is 20/20, but it's not for everyone. Now, I too personally see the whole picture quite clearly, but I didn't see it entirely until it hit me in the face like many others in 2005. I was hired by some of the most successful companies in the resort industry to complie reports to substantiate decisions that had already been made before they got to me. It was my job to find the "good news" and help to fend off the repurcusions of what was happening with the flippers.

I knew that things were getting bad when I saw properties being flipped for excesses of 5-7 times. Building permits were SKY HIGH and the PCB and Defuniak Springs planning commissions had stacks of requests dozens deep.

So, did I forecast this? Not to the public. Did I see the huge national and international impact prior to Katrina? No. But when Katrina hit and I saw the sell-off, well, hind-sight became 20/20. I did provide a private study that provided the basis to stop plans for construction of several very large, very prominent developments from going further. If they had continued, it would have been disasterous. I know you'd like to ask which ones, but let's just say they were in Bay County.

I think that most analysts would agree that when you look at the graphs, charts, etc that take into consideration the price of oil, political stability/National events and the stock market, you can see definite patterns. But I want to be clear, I'm not a FINANCIAL ANALYST. I include numerous financial factors for those experts to consider.

I'm a Mrket Analyst or Market Intelligence Analyst. I focus on research, demographic statistics, Boomer research, technology jobs, employment in general, net migration into the area, Airport Case studies, as well as sector or area specific (down to number of feet/lots from the ocean) real estate sales stats.

I hope this sheds some light. I'll try and find something of interest to post, but I'd prefer not to be "tried and hung" until then. k? :)

Look forward to gaining the respect of the forum. I'll work on that sincerely.
Suzette
Beach ComberAuthor
#12
If you're looking for a job, there's a Help Wanted area of SoWal.com.

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:biggrin:
SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#13
It was my job to find the "good news" and help to fend off the repurcusions of what was happening with the flippers.


OK, thanks, I understand now. I imagine your stuff published around the bubble pretty much contained the same upbeat forecasts as others I've read.



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Beach ComberAuthor
#14
OK, thanks, I understand now. I imagine your stuff published around the bubble pretty much contained the same upbeat forecasts as others I've read.



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I knew I was setting myself up when I made that statement, but if I responded like many, I wouldn't be honest. So, calling me, or anyone out for not knowing what was "blowing" back then, I'm sure happens a LOT, on this, and all forums.

If you read my reports, (and I plan on sending or posting SEVERAL, you would see that my intentions were always to look at the coastal areas for the LONG-TERM benefits.

When I compiled reports for developments, they contained the good and the bad. To "trash" this, or any other beautiful coastal community, or saying that in the LONG-TERM it would be anything short of a great opportunity, wouldn't be accurate either. It was NOT my job to entice FLIPPERS. Just the opposite, all developments need REAL buyers, REAL end-users. I described who those could be and where they might come from. REAL buyers, not flippers.

So the GOOD NEWS that I spoke of in my blog, is that I believe (and I'm not alone) that the coast, specifically this area, will come back. Even the naysayers agree on that.

Do you, or I, or anyone else on this forum know for sure when? I guess not. But if you do not believe it will, then why are we posting here? Why be involved in a community that believes in what it has?

I'm on this forum to give input, I know you have been posting for years, and I appreciate your dedication.

I'm new to posting here, but I've been reading this blog since about the same time you began posting. I just listened.

I'll continue to introduce myself and hope not to ruffle any feathers. Hope we can agree on one thing, this area is worth discussing.
Suzette
Beach ComberAuthor
#15
Tried to PM you but got this message:
  1. SHELLY has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.
Looking for an email address to send you a CMS. You can PM me, I've got lots of space. :)
Matt J avatar
SWGB
#16
OK, thanks, I understand now. I imagine your stuff published around the bubble pretty much contained the same upbeat forecasts as others I've read.



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You clearly haven't seen the new NAR video with the perky woman in the hideous dress saying your favorite line...

Now's the time to buy!
SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#17
You clearly haven't seen the new NAR video with the perky woman in the hideous dress saying your favorite line...

Now's the time to buy!

...isn't that the same one they've been using since 2004?

..and who can forget this ditty from 2006: Newspaper Ad Says It's a Great Time to Buy

WITH THE MARKET CORRECTION
NEARING AN END, HOME PRICES
ARE EXPECTED TO RISE AGAIN.


Research indicates that home prices will not
go any lower. While certain local markets
may see limited price declines, the national
picture remains bright. Pending home sales
were up 4.3% in August, an early indication
that buyers are returning to the market.

The national median home price will rise
1.6% in 2006 and prices are expected to
rise again in the first quarter of 2007. As
prices begin to rise again buyers who do
not act now could be making a costly
mistake.


I quite enjoy the new commercial where they kick themselves in the arse...but they fail to warn about the possibility of a brain concussion.

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Beach ComberAuthor
#18
...I quite enjoy the new commercial where they kick themselves in the arse...but they fail to warn about the possibility of a brain concussion.
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Good Morning. I had a look at some of your photographs on your website and they paint a pretty bright picture of life at the beach. Beautiful.

I really didn't see any negative. Great perspectives. You truly do capture what living at the beach is.

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Matt J avatar
SWGB
#19
Good Morning. I had a look at some of your photographs on your website and they paint a pretty bright picture of life at the beach. Beautiful.

I really didn't see any negative. Great perspectives. You truly do capture what living at the beach is.

SHELLY has a website? :eek:
ASH avatar
Beach Fanatic
#20
Oh, this is about to get good.

:popcorn::drink2:

Going into lurk mode now.
Beach Lover
#21
Thanks

I read your report, and appreciate the information. You did pin this on Wall Streeters, and I don't know if that's really accurate. I think they were too busy packaging up the bad loans and selling them to pension funds and the like to actually buy individual properties. We locals, and a lot of people accross the country did a pretty good job of of bidding up the prices without them. They were facilitators and enablers, but I did not really see them dang city slickers down here. I know that I jumped into the fray, fortunately not to the degree of some.

I don't know that I blame Katrina for the selloff, otherwise we would have corrected by now. Our real estate bubble was a big fat overblown balloon, bouncing around in a needle factory. (really a pathetic analogy) It was going to burst eventually, and Katrina was the lucky needle. I remember the same thing happening with the tech bubble in the spring of 2,000. The Nasdaq hit 5048 on March 10, its alltime high, and Microsoft lost its antitrust suit brought by the DoJ on April 10th. That's when it started unraveling. I remember getting in my car on a trip to B.R, and Rush Limbaugh was prattling on about the Clinton administration and Janet Reno killing the stock market. As much as I love blaming democrats for everything, I tried to be objective (unlike R.L.), and concluded that if it had not been that suit, some other straw would have soon broken the camel's back. (Apparently I cannot communicate without an analogy)

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SHELLY avatar
SoWal Insider
#23
Housing Market Shows Some Signs Of Recovery : NPR

What do Boston, Charlotte, Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, Minneapolis and San Francisco have in common? They're cities where home prices rose recently.

What Boston, Charlotte, Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, Minneapolis and San Francisco also have in common is that year-over-year home prices in those cities are down.



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30ashopper avatar
SoWal Insider
#24
Housing Market Shows Some Signs Of Recovery : NPR

This is such typical reporting on this issue. They don't clarify what the index is and why there are slight variations in price. Seasonably adjusted prices are still declining pretty much everywhere, and will continue to do so for quite some time to come, although the cliff diving we've seen is largely over. Now we are in the bottoming process.

The good news is sales of existing and new homes have bottomed. We'll see typical sales declines moving into the fall, but seasonably adjusted numbers are up, which means inventory is being worked off. Especially for new homes as builders were able to better control inventory compared to the rest of the market. Existing home sales and inventory still have a ways to go. Forecolsures are still piling into our local market which is likely to continue for two years or so.

I still see fall of 2011 as a smart bet for starting a serious search. Price declines will be well entrenched by then.

The big "if" is inflation. We could see a 'W' style bottom in sales, but I am not going to try and predict that. We'll just have to wait and see.
Beach ComberAuthor
#25
This is such typical reporting on this issue. They don't clarify what the index is and why there are slight variations in price. Seasonably adjusted prices are still declining pretty much everywhere, and will continue to do so for quite some time to come, although the cliff diving we've seen is largely over. Now we are in the bottoming process.

The good news is sales of existing and new homes have bottomed. We'll see typical sales declines moving into the fall, but seasonably adjusted numbers are up, which means inventory is being worked off. Especially for new homes as builders were able to better control inventory compared to the rest of the market. Existing home sales and inventory still have a ways to go. Forecolsures are still piling into our local market which is likely to continue for two years or so.

I still see fall of 2011 as a smart bet for starting a serious search. Price declines will be well entrenched by then.

The big "if" is inflation. We could see a 'W' style bottom in sales, but I am not going to try and predict that. We'll just have to wait and see.

Although I believe we all know that this area will come back, it is important to remain somewhat sceptical as to the timing:scratch: (eyebrows lifting?) I still look at the national situation as very fluid. Unemployment is a huge issue and cannot be separated from the current real estate scenario.

As we all also know, it is very difficult for anyone who tries to predict the timing of a comeback, and if you read this Tweet I posted the other day, you'll see that I prefaced it with "Caution"...
NEWS WITH CAUTION: WSJ: Sales of New Homes Post Monthly Rise http://bit.ly/3va7ka **SEE COMMENTS... IS THIS A TRUE "Rise?" http://bit.ly/fnLKQ
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The comments on those boards can get even livelier than here :yikes:!
I'm watching closely the repercussions to the large developers as they fight to keep their construction loans viable.

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Beach Lover
#26
From a practical standpoint, I always look at two things when analyzing real estate prices:

1: Can you recoup most (or all) of your mortgage payment in the rental market?

2: Given the average income within the community, what percentage of buyers could afford to purchase your property at the price you're asking?

Some markets are indeed unique where these two questions might not apply, but for the vast majority of markets, they are a TRUE guiding point for investors as to where the prices should fall.

I remember when the house behind us sold for three times what we could ever afford to pay, saying, "What is going ON!!?? Who on earth will be buying these [rather modest] homes if those of us with steady, upper-middle-class incomes can't imagine buying them or even renting them?" Red flag! Of course if we had had tons of money to invest we might (maaayyybeeee) have jumped on the snake oil bandwagon. I guess there are benefits to being underfunded.

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