New 30A Home Construction Cost

Name remains Charles (Chuck) Evans.

What goes around, comes around CROOK.

Can’t build in Rosemary Beach, Alys Beach, Watersound Beach, Origins, Retreat or Watercolor.

Why?

How many people/companies currently suing the CROOK?

John
I don't know you but, as a quality home builder, some of the things you are writing are rubbing me wrong. You keep mentioning collusion among the local builders, you have to understand you are staining a profession that many people take very seriously. What collusion are you talking about? The material prices you mentioned early in this thread are out of line for the majority of the local high end market. Material prices vary tremendously based on client / architect selections. Not stating this seems disingenuous and misleading. My signature is my name because I am proud of it and I want people to be able to find me (and research my past). I also have 20+ years of experience and have recently received my Florida builders license. I wish you the best of luck and caution you against smearing our profession.
Thanks
Lou Deman

John
I don't know you but, as a quality home builder, some of the things you are writing are rubbing me wrong. You keep mentioning collusion among the local builders, you have to understand you are staining a profession that many people take very seriously. What collusion are you talking about? The material prices you mentioned early in this thread are out of line for the majority of the local high end market. Material prices vary tremendously based on client / architect selections. Not stating this seems disingenuous and misleading. My signature is my name because I am proud of it and I want people to be able to find me (and research my past). I also have 20+ years of experience and have recently received my Florida builders license. I wish you the best of luck and caution you against smearing our profession.
Thanks
Lou Deman

I've built over 100 buildings here. I said 3,000 psi, regular rock, no fiber concrete mix on 30a is presently about $94 per yard. How much do you pay? Will an average house 100% concrete residence in Alys Beach use 350 cubic yards? How about 450 yards? If we split the difference that's 400 cubic yards of 3,000 psi concrete at $94 per yard makes $37,600 of concrete delivered to Alys Beach to place footings, stem wall, 6" slab, 7 5/8" cast walls, 10" elevated slabs and 8" slab roof. Insert your own numbers now. Tell me you can't buy concrete for $94 because your smaller so you have to pay $100, that's still only a difference of $2,400 making your cost for all the concrete just $40,000 for a whole Alys Beach residence. Say they sized up 50% just to waste more money, that's still only $60,000. Where was I wrong on the estimation for the concrete? I'll wait

Let's calculate the steel reinforcement now. Assuming spread footings on the centerline of each bearing wall with eccentrically loaded footings on the zero lot lines. Let's calculate a soil bearing strength of 2,500 psi and oversize our footings to 10' wide, 32" deep with #5 continous at 8" oc each way, top and bottom. I show +- 600 #5 bars @ 20'.
Let's cast every single interior and exterior wall with #5 @ 8" oc Horizontal and 12" oc vertical. I show +- 1,200 #5 bars @ 20' That's a 100% cast concrete floor, walls and roof Alys Beach residence using an oversized 1,800 20' rebar at over paying $8.50 per bar makes $15,300 for steel. Correct my math with your theoretical Alys Beach concrete residence. I'll wait

John
I did not say your material cost on concrete was wrong. I am paying more then you are though. The material cost for most any local builder is going to be with in 4% of each other (which makes it fairly negligible). I don't know if you build in Alys Beach (I do not) but what is your out the door build cost run per square foot (Alys Beach standard finishes)? This seems to be what most customers are concerned with, the owner don't care what the concrete costs they only care about what the final product will cost.
Also, please use a little less attitude, I'm just stating that you saying local builders are colluding to raise construction costs is not accurate. Or, if it is, is not practiced by everyone.

So

John
I did not say your material cost on concrete was wrong. I am paying more then you are though. The material cost for most any local builder is going to be with in 4% of each other (which makes it fairly negligible). I don't know if you build in Alys Beach (I do not) but what is your out the door build cost run per square foot (Alys Beach standard finishes)? This seems to be what most customers are concerned with, the owner don't care what the concrete costs they only care about what the final product will cost.
Also, please use a little less attitude, I'm just stating that you saying local builders are colluding to raise construction costs is not accurate. Or, if it is, is not practiced by everyone.

First, I just quoted the cost for all the concrete and steel to build a typical 100% concrete building at +-3,000 sq ft on 30a. I think my numbers are accurate, but so far I'm the only person who presented them in the whole thread. I hope someone else does the same for transparency. Here's where the exponential difference comes in. Does your contractor hire the actual workers who place the steel and concrete? If he does, he'll budget +- (6) men at $18.00/hr for (18) 40 hour weeks. That's $77,600. Add 50% for Workman's Compensation and taxes makes $116,640 for all the labor to cast the building. If my numbers are innaccurate please clarify and let's specifically adjust them. I'll wait.

John
I did not say your material cost on concrete was wrong. I am paying more then you are though. The material cost for most any local builder is going to be with in 4% of each other (which makes it fairly negligible). I don't know if you build in Alys Beach (I do not) but what is your out the door build cost run per square foot (Alys Beach standard finishes)? This seems to be what most customers are concerned with, the owner don't care what the concrete costs they only care about what the final product will cost.
Also, please use a little less attitude, I'm just stating that you saying local builders are colluding to raise construction costs is not accurate. Or, if it is, is not practiced by everyone.

No, he does not build in Alys Beach, in fact, he has been banned from there, Rosemary Beach, Origins, Watersound Beach, Watercolor and The Retreat.

He is a well known crook in the area.

John
What do the guys doing the work make? Is it $18/hr.
Thx

To answer your question specifically, I built this home in WaterSound West Beach. This home is 4 beds 4 baths 2,450 sq ft. I used wood floors throughout, solid seamless granite slabs for all bath floors, Viking Appliances, Pella Windows, Mahogany Doors, perfection cedar siding, pressure treated fire retardant #1 Heavy Shakes for the roof, brick pavers and homogenous landscaping. It took 110 days from permit to Certificate of Occupancy. It's been rented ever since. My price was $350,000 which is $142.85 per sq ft Closest Home To Pool & Beach, No Roads To C... - VRBO

Forgot to add that he has been banned from building in Watersound West Beach as well.

I built this house in WaterSound Beach. It also used all the authentic materials, cedar siding, heavy hand split shake roof, copper dormer roofs, Viking Appliances, Granite or Onyc Slabs for all baths, etc. 6 Bedrooms, 5 baths, 3 living rooms approximately 5,000 sq ft under roof. 12 months $727,000 $145.40 per sq ft with a capital contribution of $50,000 from my partner at closing.

LOL.

I know the just former Owners. Took them nearly two years to sell as many brokers would not show it because they new Carroll built it. Inspection report was over 50 pages, including code violations because it was built so poorly. When it did sell, it was the lowest price per square foot sales price in the entire community.

Forgot to add that he has been banned from building in Watersound West Beach as well.

St Joe Communities are corrupt and I sued them and preserved 30,000 exhibits to prove it. You don't know what you're talking about.

LOL.

I know the just former Owners. Took them nearly two years to sell as many brokers would not show it because they new Carroll built it. Inspection report was over 50 pages, including code violations because it was built so poorly. When it did sell, it was the lowest price per square foot sales price in the entire community.

That's how it works people. Review everything this person has said and read it twice. This is how they hurt you, not me.

You are a well known crooked builder who has been banned up and down 30-a and has been sued over and over again.

Laughable.

St Joe Communities are corrupt and I sued them and preserved 30,000 exhibits to prove it. You don't know what you're talking about.

BANNED NEARLY EVERYWHERE!

I built this house in WaterSound Beach. It also used all the authentic materials, cedar siding, heavy hand split shake roof, copper dormer roofs, Viking Appliances, Granite or Onyc Slabs for all baths, etc. 6 Bedrooms, 5 baths, 3 living rooms approximately 5,000 sq ft under roof. 12 months $727,000 $145.40 per sq ft with a capital contribution of $50,000 from my partner at closing.

I see a much different number on “base area” which is what one would properly use. Takes you up to close to $200 per foot if we accept anything you say as true. You are an Obfuscator plain and simple. This home was built during the recession, amazing what material and labor can be bought for when folks are willing to work for room and board equivalency. And it’s amazing how quickly a project can be done when there are too few jobs going on. If I’d have been building that particular house at that time I’d have done it for a real $150 per foot and not your fake price. And I’d have completed it inside of 9 months. Nor would I have had to flee afterwards like you apparently did. Completely different labor market now. It costs more and takes longer. You know this which is why you are taking years and doing all the labor on your house in Seagrove. Plus I guess it’ll keep you busy.

Seriously though, what does coming out and saying what concrete and rebar cost prove? A door knob can be had for free or $1000 I’m sure. I’ve seen fireplace surrounds go in at a material cost of $80,000.00 imported. Decorative “lawn ornaments” at $5,000.00 material only. You cry “The Sheetrock mud for a watercolor house only costs $385.00!! There is collusion that a house costs more than that!” It’s silly statements you are making. I’m saying this as benevolently as I know how. I’ll wait.

Not his house in Seagrove, although he apparently tells everyone it is. Apparently some poor out of area people that didn’t know his “construction” history whom he has fleeced like all of the others in the past.

Not his house in Seagrove, although he apparently tells everyone it is. Apparently some poor out of area people that didn’t know his “construction” history whom he has fleeced like all of the others in the past.

Oof.

Seriously though, what does coming out and saying what concrete and rebar cost prove? A door knob can be had for free or $1000 I’m sure. I’ve seen fireplace surrounds go in at a material cost of $80,000.00 imported. Decorative “lawn ornaments” at $5,000.00 material only. You cry “The Sheetrock mud for a watercolor house only costs $385.00!! There is collusion that a house costs more than that!” It’s silly statements you are making. I’m saying this as benevolently as I know how. I’ll wait.

Anyone who's built a house in Alys Beach can now look at their own price they were charged and compare it to the price that we have here. If someone wants to say they use better fly ash or a super-plasticizer they can go ahead and describe it and tell me it was $0.50 more per yard or $2 more a yard but it's not $400,000 or $500,000 more than the price that I just gave you for the masonry portion of those buildings. Your examples are distracting the facts. I know sometimes people put exorbitant finishes in houses. I don't think the thread author was saying he was going to spend $80,000 for a fireplace or $300 a square foot like you said for wallpaper. You are bringing in ridiculous things that have nothing to do with the question of the original author and I don't know why you're doing that. I already said my companies have completed more than 500 projects and been sued 12 times. You repeating it 17 or 18 different ways to make it look like something it's not is also trying to mislead people

Anyone who's built a house in Alys Beach can now look at their own price they were charged and compare it to the price that we have here. If someone wants to say they use better fly ash or a super-plasticizer they can go ahead and describe it and tell me it was $0.50 more per yard or $2 more a yard but it's not $400,000 or $500,000 more than the price that I just gave you for the masonry portion of those buildings. Your examples are distracting the facts. I know sometimes people put exorbitant finishes in houses. I don't think the thread author was saying he was going to spend $80,000 for a fireplace or $300 a square foot like you said for wallpaper. You are bringing in ridiculous things that have nothing to do with the question of the original author and I don't know why you're doing that. I already said my companies have completed more than 500 projects and been sued 12 times. You repeating it 17 or 18 different ways to make it look like something it's not is also trying to mislead people

Unsurprisingly, you are confused. I don’t know what you mean by me “repeating it 17 or 18 different ways” means, I’m not doing that. The thread author also wasn’t saying he wants an exposed raw structure of concrete or 2x6’s which numbers you are using. Your presentation is more disingenuous than mine by far. I’ll give you one thing, you are tenacious with a capital T. You persist in bulling forward, ignoring anything that doesn’t fit your made up reality, and know the proper buzzwords. That also makes you dangerous with a capital D. I guess that’s two things.

oh and before it gets lost in the shuffle...is that really not your house down in Seagrove that you are working on? Someone has contracted you to be there doing what you are doing?

Kurt, I started this thread as way to inform "myself" on building cost in the area as I'm getting ready to build....I would take this "Word Fight Thread" down if I could..Kurt it's my request your remove this thread ASAP it's now a silly name calling waste of time..Thank You

More of a running PSA imo.