An Inconvenient Truth

Skunky, you are wearing me out.:roll: Send me some good eyedrops since my eyeballs are bleeding from trying to slog through your articles!:shock:

Skunky, you are wearing me out.:roll: Send me some good eyedrops since my eyeballs are bleeding from trying to slog through your articles!:shock:

Let me give you a homeopathic summary of the posts-THE MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING HYSTERIA IA A FRAUD!!!:lol:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6540119.stm

Snowy forests 'increase warming'

Snowy forest in Germany
The report suggests deforestation is not always harmful
Planting trees in snowy areas may worsen global warming as their canopies absorb sunlight which would otherwise be reflected by the snow, a study says.

The report in US journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences says the pine forests of Europe, Siberia and Canada may contribute to warming.

Only tropical forests effectively cool the earth by absorbing carbon dioxide and creating clouds, the report says.

But the report's authors stress they are not advocating chopping down trees.

They say forests are a valuable resource and remain vital for bio-diversity, providing a home for animals and plants.

'Lively discussion'

Scientists have long argued that planting and preserving forests helps reduce global warming because trees absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and convert it to oxygen.

Trees also absorb water from the ground, helping to form clouds that shield the earth from sunlight.

But the report's findings, discussed last year at an American Geophysical Union meeting and now published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, suggest planting forests indiscriminately may be counter-productive.

"Our new study shows that only tropical rainforests are strongly beneficial in helping slow down global warming," Govindasamy Bala of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory says.

In cooler areas of the earth, tree cover helps store sunlight reflected by snow on the ground and this "cancels or exceeds" the net cooling effect, Mr Bala told the AFP news agency.

Another author of the report, Ken Caldeira of the Carnegie Institution, said the report suggested it is "more important to preserve and restore tropical forests than had been previously realised".

But, he told the Associated Press news agency, he was "a little concerned about this being misapplied as an excuse to chop down the forests in the name of saving the environment".

Computer models produced by the report's authors suggested deforestation in higher latitudes could reduce global warming.

Steven W Running, a professor of ecology at the University of Montana, praised the report's authors for "sparking a lively scientific discussion".

But Mr Running, who was not involved in the report, said it was too early to base policy on the report's conclusion that certain types of reforestation might be counter-productive.

I checked out that band Blue Turtle Seduction in Baytowne Wharf last night. Those guys are amazing! I was just looking for some decent music to drink a beer too, but damn those guys blew me away. They are playing again tonight (monday night), and I highly recommend making the trip out there.

There is an incredible episoce of Frontline on PBS right now explaining the genesis of the whole "global warming is a fraud" campaign by the coal and auto industries in 1992. They showed on commercial the industries filmed in 1992 showing people talking about how great more carbon dioxide would be for the "greening of the planet" -- and a citrus grower from Florida talked about what a positive aspect this greening would have on Florida and it's citrus. Yes, climate change has really been great fro Florida, huh?

There is an incredible episoce of Frontline on PBS right now explaining the genesis of the whole "global warming is a fraud" campaign by the coal and auto industries in 1992. They showed on commercial the industries filmed in 1992 showing people talking about how great more carbon dioxide would be for the "greening of the planet" -- and a citrus grower from Florida talked about what a positive aspect this greening would have on Florida and it's citrus. Yes, climate change has really been great fro Florida, huh?

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How is PBS coming along with that special on militant Islam?

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How is PBS coming along with that special on militant Islam?

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Are you trying to start a Punzey/Skunky smackdown?:lol: :lol:

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How is PBS coming along with that special on militant Islam?

PBS....they're either for us or they're against us. PBS has 48 hours to come up with a special on militant Islam.

PBS....they're either for us or they're against us. PBS has 48 hours to come up with a special on militant Islam.

Actually, CPB had slated the documentary for a run, but it was nixed by PBS. It already exists but it was deemed 'too offensive' for Bob and Skunkape to handle. I think it was supposed to air earlier this month.

Back on topic now...rational rejection of the concept of man made global warming predates 1993 by, oh, a few centuries give or take. It is called the scientific method and I will give credit to the (look out now) Muslims for being the first to apply this methodology. The process has obviously been honed since then...most notably as of late by Karl Popper's idea of falsifiablity which basically states a theory can't be considered scientific if it does not consider alternative causes of effect. The bottom line is, those who are the most vigorous defenders of the 'theory' of man made global warming consider the 'case closed' and do not want to hear of any other possible explanations that explain global warming. Fine, if that is what you choose to believe, go shrink your carbon footprint. I am simply pointing out the folly of throwing BILLIONS of tax dollars at a problem that quite possibly does not exist.

Now, what time does Antiques Roadshow come on?:lol:

Here you go Bob.
http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/20070412-085627-8436r.htm

The next episode will be in Baghdad. Here we see an Antiques Roadshow appraiser evaluating some local artwork.

The next episode will be in Baghdad. Here we see an Antiques Roadshow appraiser evaluating some local artwork.

That thing better not be Persian!:lol:

That thing better not be Persian!:lol:

The Persian artwork takes you hostage first.

We can't let this thread die-it was spared the ravages of the trolls, after all.

More good news, unless you are hoping for climate doom:clap:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index....a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12&Region_id=&Issue_id=

Here you go Bob.
http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/20070412-085627-8436r.htm

30A, You used an article written by a paper started by the Rev. Moon. It's a right wing[not that there's anything wrong with that provided your not a nut-job redneck wannabee from Texas] newspaper subsidized by the Unification Church to the tune of 1.7 billion dollars[as of 2002]. Ah, the good 'ole concept of separation of church and state.

30A, You used an article written by a paper started by the Rev. Moon. It's a right wing[not that there's anything wrong with that provided your not a nut-job redneck wannabee from Texas] newspaper subsidized by the Unification Church to the tune of 1.7 billion dollars[as of 2002]. Ah, the good 'ole concept of separation of church and state.

Robert, I am surprised that you are being so mentally lazy. The story is out there, it isn't a whack job issue. Here is another version from the Dallas Morning News which must have credibility in your eyes as it was a safe harbor for Molly Ivins:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...odislam_13edi.ART.State.Edition1.435bd6b.html

Perhaps this BBC feature should be double billed along with 'An Inconvenient Truth'?;-)
[video=google;4499562022478442170]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4499562022478442170[/video]

Robert, I am surprised that you are being so mentally lazy. The story is out there, it isn't a whack job issue. Here is another version from the Dallas Morning News which must have credibility in your eyes as it was a safe harbor for Molly Ivins:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...odislam_13edi.ART.State.Edition1.435bd6b.html

heynow!, you quoted mooniversecentral, not me. Regarding Ivins, if she supported LBJ, she's a wack job too. I say the only burning of fossil fuels should be for Bar-B-Que. Think of the benefits of the demise of the internal combustion car engine. Sleeping babies could attend electric NASCAR races. All the real estate on busy roads would suddenly be worth more. Gas stations could be converted to walk-in clinics for illegals. Jiffy Lubes could register, and mobilize the few remaining Repubs with V-8 SUVs. Who says change is bad.

heynow!, you quoted mooniversecentral, not me. Regarding Ivins, if she supported LBJ, she's a wack job too. I say the only burning of fossil fuels should be for Bar-B-Que. Think of the benefits of the demise of the internal combustion car engine. Sleeping babies could attend electric NASCAR races. All the real estate on busy roads would suddenly be worth more. Gas stations could be converted to walk-in clinics for illegals. Jiffy Lubes could register, and mobilize the few remaining Repubs with V-8 SUVs. Who says change is bad.

URNUTZ😀

Read the sunspots

The mud at the bottom of B.C. fjords reveals that solar output drives climate change - and that we should prepare now for dangerous global cooling

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/...l?id=597d0677-2a05-47b4-b34f-b84068db11f4&p=4

Arctic Monkeys shiver at Live Earth 'hypocrisy'

Jul 4 10:57 PM US/Eastern

Rock group Arctic Monkeys have become the latest music industry stars to question whether the performers taking part in Live Earth on Saturday are suitable climate change activists.
"It's a bit patronising for us 21 year olds to try to start to change the world," said Arctic Monkeys drummer Matt Helders, explaining why the group is not on the bill at any of Al Gore's charity concerts.

"Especially when we're using enough power for 10 houses just for (stage) lighting. It'd be a bit hypocritical," he told AFP in an interview before a concert in Paris.

Bass player Nick O'Malley chimes in: "And we're always jetting off on aeroplanes!"

Large parts of the band's hometown of Sheffield were flooded at the end of last month after a deluge of mid-summer rain that some blamed on global warming. Two people were killed.

But the band wonder why anyone would be interested in the opinion of rock stars on a complex scientific issue like climate change.

"Someone asked us to give a quote about what was happening in Sheffield and it's like 'who cares what we think about what's happening'?" added Helders.

"There's more important people who can have an opinion. Why does it make us have an opinion because we're in a band?"

The group, whose first record was the fastest-selling debut album in British history, will clock up thousands of air miles -- in normal airliners not private jets, they say -- during their tour to Asia and Australia in the next few months.

They are not the only stars to take a cynical view of Live Earth, which aims to raise awareness about global warming but which will require many longhaul flights and thousands of car journeys to and from the music venues.


Many of the biggest acts have questionable environmental credentials -- the car-loving rapper Snoop Dogg appeared in a Chrysler commercial last year -- and there are doubts about the ability of pop stars to galvanise the world into action.

Bob Geldof, the architect of Live Aid and Live 8, the two biggest awareness-raising concerts in history, had a public spat with Al Gore about the need for the event.

"Why is he (Gore) actually organising them?" Geldof said in an interview with a Dutch newspaper in May, adding that everyone was already aware of global warming and the event needed firm commitments from politicians and polluters.

Roger Daltrey, singer from 1970s British rock band The Who, told British newspaper The Sun in May that "the last thing the planet needs is a rock concert."

And the singer from 80s pop sensations The Pet Shop Boys, Neil Tennant, attacked the arrogance of pop stars who put themselves forward as role-models.

"I've always been against the idea of rock stars lecturing people as if they know something the rest of us don't," he was reported as saying by British music magazine NME.

Live Earth takes place Saturday in seven cities -- Sydney, Tokyo, Shanghai, Hamburg, London, Johannesburg and New York -- and organisers hope for a television audience of two billion.

An eighth show in Rio de Janeiro was cancelled by police due to security concerns.

"Live Earth is going to bring together a massive audience around the world to take action against the climate crisis," says Live Earth organiser Yusef Robb.

"Some may say that rock stars tend to be conspicuous consumers, but if we can get those people to turn the corner then we're happy to do so."

Planners have put an enormous effort into minimising the environmental impact of the event in an effort to pre-empt sniping from critics about hypocrisy and the pollution caused by the concerts.

Fans are being encouraged to share cars or use public transport to attend, all lightbulbs will be energy-efficient and the food will be sourced locally where possible.

All the signs from the New York show and the stage in Tokyo will be recycled or composted.

"Where we can't use biodegradable materials, there'll be comprehensive recycling programmes," said Robb, who says the Live Earth gigs will set new green standards for the events industry.

After the shows, the organisers, with the help of accountancy group PricewaterhouseCoopers and an army of consultants, will calculate the volume of carbon emissions created and will then "offset" the difference.

Carbon offsetting means investing in carbon-reducing initiatives such as planting trees or making donations to renewable energy projects.

Robb highlights the good work being done by many artists.

British ska-rock group The Police and US funk-punk band Red Hot Chili Peppers are examples of "people who practice what they preach."

Meanwhile, nu-metal headliners Linkin Park have their own climate change charity and Hawaiian artist Jack Johnson tours in a biodiesel-fuelled bus.

More fun, thanks Al:rolling:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22090734-5001031,00.html

More fun, thanks Al:rolling:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22090734-5001031,00.html

they're kind of grasping at straws don'tcha think? while i agree with regards to the fish, there are bigger fish to fry(intended) like the carbon footprint of live earth, or the abominable performance by the Police...

Gore paid for the wedding using $ received from the "carbon credits" bought by the company that supplied the fish.