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Bob Wells avatar
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Lot of buzz about Freedom of Speech. Have you ever written a letter to the editor to your local newspaper. I did a couple of times and now you can in many places just post online. The interesting thing is they have rules, word count, topic and such. Even Twitter has rules. Some of them you would think are common sense, but no, they have actual written rules. I would bet if you went there and looked at the rules you would say they were pretty sensible. With that said I get a huge kick from folks who are on whatever platform they are on complaining how they or someone they know are being oppressed, that their speech or thoughts or whatever is being infringed upon. The society I live in has become entitled. We believe that whatever comes from us or some other like-minded soul should not be censored, unless they don't agree with you. My society believes that if your opinion doesn't line up with my opinion you are evil and deserving of being bullied and ridiculed. This society we share believes that there is only one right and I am standing on it. I even saw a sign that says vote a certain way because, We might have our faults but the other side is pure evil. Back to where I was going with this. These platforms have rules. The groups I belong to have rules, even those who say we don't have rules. I was banned from a group that had no rules because I was a moderate, didn't lose any sleep. I was not allowed to comment on another group because I would ask questions and post rebuttals to this former politicians stuff. Doesn't make a difference. As for my rules, I have only unfriended 1 person since I have been on any platform and that was because he said he was a racist and I got NO TIME FOR THAT. I may dislike someone for a lot of reasons, but the color of their skin AIN'T EVER GOING TO BE ONE OF THEM. Like I said rules, they have them, we have them. You don't like someone telling you what time to be at work, start your own business and wait for your customer to wonder what time you will show up to do the job they are going to pay you for. Don't like the rules on your social media platforms, start your own and make sure you tell everyone you got no rules.

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#152
I realize this is way out there as an idea because I have zero knowledge as to its viability, but I will toss it anyway.
Cruise ships? Last year cruise lines were selling their ships to scrap companies for as little as $100 per ton up to $400 per ton.
It could be a quick short or long term solution since they have everything needed to be self sufficient including a medical clinic.
I will repeat my ignorance on how well this could work.
What about military bases? There is space and perhaps housing available or could easily be built. Studio homes? Maybe civilian jobs on the post? (One uncle killed in WW2. Wanted to be a writer. Another didn't survive the horror of war. Lived the rest of his life in a Veterans Hospital from 1944 to 1976. Awful treatments on him. Another could barely keep a job. Died of dementia.) Ellen
Bob Wells avatar
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#153
Politically speaking, I am confused by what Governor DeSantis is doing when it comes to private businesses. On the one hand he is telling businesses they can come and be free of overbearing regulations. On the other hand he is telling businesses they can't enforce something on their employees. In fairness I am just as confused by those who believe in reproductive choice but not in the choice of whether to get the vaccine or not. Listening to both sides of the issues, mandate or choice, has not clarified the issue for me. I am not going to get in a pissing match about these issues because I have been pretty silent on it for a reason but these narrowly defined issues bother me and find them difficult to reconcile.
elgordoboy avatar
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#154
Politically speaking, I am confused by what Governor DeSantis is doing when it comes to private businesses. On the one hand he is telling businesses they can come and be free of overbearing regulations. On the other hand he is telling businesses they can't enforce something on their employees. In fairness I am just as confused by those who believe in reproductive choice but not in the choice of whether to get the vaccine or not. Listening to both sides of the issues, mandate or choice, has not clarified the issue for me. I am not going to get in a pissing match about these issues because I have been pretty silent on it for a reason but these narrowly defined issues bother me and find them difficult to reconcile.
The word “enforce” is where the contradiction is in your post.
Bob Wells avatar
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#155
The word “enforce” is where the contradiction is in your post.
How so?
PoppaJ avatar
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#156
The word “enforce” is where the contradiction is in your post.
A private business should be able to “enforce” a safe, healthy work environment. It should be a “requirement” for business.
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#157
I should have said “part of where the contradiction lies”. As a private business owner in Florida I’d like to enforce prima nocta but business freedoms don’t extend that far into personal liberties. Your confusion, if such really exists, is simply over another example of pro vax and anti vax. Pro vax thinks the shot is a foregone solution while anti vax disagrees. You know this I imagine but might be looking for contradictions with which to take issue in responses. It’s just a micro version of the macro argument.
elgordoboy avatar
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#158
A private business should be able to “enforce” a safe, healthy work environment. It should be a “requirement” for business.
Same as above, you know this too. Some disagree as to whether the vaccine promotes a safe work environment. I don’t think y’all are confused as much as trying to argue from a not so different angle.
PoppaJ avatar
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#159
Same as above, you know this too. Some disagree as to whether the vaccine promotes a safe work environment. I don’t think y’all are confused as much as trying to argue from a not so different angle.
Some may disagree on many things. I’m arguing from the angle of public health.
Bob Wells avatar
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#160
I should have said “part of where the contradiction lies”. As a private business owner in Florida I’d like to enforce prima nocta but business freedoms don’t extend that far into personal liberties. Your confusion, if such really exists, is simply over another example of pro vax and anti vax. Pro vax thinks the shot is a foregone solution while anti vax disagrees. You know this I imagine but might be looking for contradictions with which to take issue in responses. It’s just a micro version of the macro argument.
Seems some in government might agree with the notion "prima nocta" but I think the courts are pretty consistent with regards to rape. I have followed this from the cruise lines to the current situation with regards to the special legislative session. I have friends on both sides and some even losing their jobs. The Feds are making OSHA as the tip of the spear, so to speak, and even the possibility of financially holding those who receive federal funds for reimbursement for services, ie hospitals and EMS services, for enforcing a vaccine mandate. I remember in the 80s the Reagan Administration was going to with hold Federal Highway funds from Florida because they were not "Enforcing" the 55 speed limit on the interstates. It seems the Governor lost a court ruling when he was trying to interfere with the cruise lines mandating the vaccine for those who work and those paying customers. It still doesn't change my belief that Governor DeSantis is talking out both sides with regards to businesses.
elgordoboy avatar
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#161
Seems some in government might agree with the notion "prima nocta" but I think the courts are pretty consistent with regards to rape. I have followed this from the cruise lines to the current situation with regards to the special legislative session. I have friends on both sides and some even losing their jobs. The Feds are making OSHA as the tip of the spear, so to speak, and even the possibility of financially holding those who receive federal funds for reimbursement for services, ie hospitals and EMS services, for enforcing a vaccine mandate. I remember in the 80s the Reagan Administration was going to with hold Federal Highway funds from Florida because they were not "Enforcing" the 55 speed limit on the interstates. It seems the Governor lost a court ruling when he was trying to interfere with the cruise lines mandating the vaccine for those who work and those paying customers. It still doesn't change my belief that Governor DeSantis is talking out both sides with regards to businesses.
Then I suppose the courts can settle the enforcement issue of the vaccine too. Seems you are no longer confused. I’m glad I could be of assistance in clarifying your thought process. De nada

and funny you use the word rape. Both of your examples involve unwanted pricks being “enforced”.

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elgordoboy avatar
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#162
Some may disagree on many things. I’m arguing from the angle of public health.
maybe, maybe not
Bob Wells avatar
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#163
Then I suppose the courts can settle the enforcement issue of the vaccine too. Seems you are no longer confused. I’m glad I could be of assistance in clarifying your thought process. De nada

and funny you use the word rape. Both of your examples involve unwanted pricks being “enforced”.
Would not say I am still not struggling with the issue but thanks for your perspective.
PoppaJ avatar
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#164
maybe, maybe not
More maybe.
Just substitute DeSantis or his spokesperson in this clip.
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#165
Politically speaking, I am confused by what Governor DeSantis is doing when it comes to private businesses. On the one hand he is telling businesses they can come and be free of overbearing regulations. On the other hand he is telling businesses they can't enforce something on their employees. In fairness I am just as confused by those who believe in reproductive choice but not in the choice of whether to get the vaccine or not. Listening to both sides of the issues, mandate or choice, has not clarified the issue for me. I am not going to get in a pissing match about these issues because I have been pretty silent on it for a reason but these narrowly defined issues bother me and find them difficult to reconcile.

The difference between reproductive choice and choice of being vaccinated is that one woman's choice to terminate her pregnancy will not spread like wildfire, forcing other women to terminate their pregnancies, when in fact they would choose to bring their child to term. COVID among the unvaccinated is analogous to putting abortion pills in the water supply.
Bob Wells avatar
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#166
The difference between reproductive choice and choice of being vaccinated is that one woman's choice to terminate her pregnancy will not spread like wildfire, forcing other women to terminate their pregnancies, when in fact they would choose to bring their child to term. COVID among the unvaccinated is analogous to putting abortion pills in the water supply.
Good point.
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#167
Reference Special Session

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PoppaJ avatar
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#168
Reference Special Session

Could never imagine a governor working so hard to prevent employers from protecting their employees health.
I heard LuLu’s is requiring masks for a period because some employees went to football game and brought Covid back.
elgordoboy avatar
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#169
Could never imagine a governor working so hard to prevent employers from protecting their employees health.
I heard LuLu’s is requiring masks for a period because some employees went to football game and brought Covid back.
Imagine what he will do when he is President
Bob Wells avatar
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#170
Imagine what he will do when he is President
You think he runs? Does he still run if former President Trump runs?
PoppaJ avatar
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#171
Imagine what he will do when he is President
Frightening thought
Bob Wells avatar
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#172
Been thinking about the College Coaching carousel this morning. Particularly Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley and their recent moves. Every year Notre Dame and Oklahoma have high expectations placed upon them and the success is evident if you look at their respective records. So you have to ask, why leave a program with the success you have built for a programs that have struggled for whatever reason? Both USC and LSU are storied programs that have fell on hard times, LSU more recent but USC it seems has been forever. We have seen the shiny stuff the new coaches are supposedly receiving for the services, but coaching seems to be a short term thing and although some contracts guarantee a lot, being unemployed and labeled a failure because you couldn't turn a program around is a chance you take going to a new position.
I have 2 thoughts on the why's. Number 1 is pretty self explanatory, The Challenge of rebuilding a program. Both these schools have a recruitment pool so getting the players won't be the issue. Building the program into the coaches vision will be interesting. The second reason, is the Messiah complex, I can fix it because I am all that and a can of chips.
We have all seen coaches come and go. I am a Gators fan and I liked Dan Mullen and although I hated to see him go without the opportunity to right the ship, I understand College Football is a business and depending on the school there are expectation to excel. Whatever the case, if Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley don't succeed in fixing the issue, they both should be able to live without having to go find another job. Guess there is something to be said about being sought after rather than going to apply for a job.
PoppaJ avatar
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#174
My rant. I often use Legion Park to walk my grandaughter’s dog. Everytime I do I find at least three piles of crap on the ground and at least one person has an unleashed dog. I also find trash on the ground. I will pick up the trash. There are signs about leashes, waste stations with bags, and trash cans conveniently located in the park.
I fear if these selfish people continue their ways the park will return to the no dog policy of the past.
PoppaJ avatar
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#175
We have been invaded by the fake violin playing beggars. I saw three on a brief shopping trip in Destin.
elgordoboy avatar
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#176
We have been invaded by the fake violin playing beggars. I saw three on a brief shopping trip in Destin.
They got $15 out of me in the Publix parking lot in Destin. Reportedly were at target in Destin yesterday early and worked their way to South Walton Publix. I’m thinking of putting my mom out somewhere, maybe the outlets.

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