Torture in Iraq

It's a little graphic. I'm guessing the folks they plan to drag behind cars and blowtorch just aren't understanding enough of the nuanced Middle East culture.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0524072torture1.html

Your point?

Please post a topic instead of a graphic link and inflammatory statement if you want to get a discussion going.

It's ALOT graphic! made me sick to my stomach on the first page, didn't even bother to finish it.

I saw it on the drudge this morning as well. I am suprised this stuff is released. I imagine there are plenty of sickos who just found more material. 😱

Please post a topic instead of a graphic link and inflammatory statement if you want to get a discussion going.

OK, many that we are fighting in Iraq are animals, and a greater understanding of their art and culture won't stop them from attacking us.

Um, when did the Iraqis start attacking us, exactly? Was it before or after we invaded & occupied their country?

Um, when did the Iraqis start attacking us, exactly? Was it before or after we invaded & occupied their country?

Do we really need to go through this again?

apparently so until some people realize it was Osama bin Laden and his gang of Saudi terrorists who took down the WTC!

Um, when did the Iraqis start attacking us, exactly? Was it before or after we invaded & occupied their country?

Good Lord. :roll:

Do we really need to go through this again?

Apparently we do. They use & respect torture. They seem to like to drill holes in each other, in addition to all the other methods you felt we needed to see. If we occupy their country, they will keep doing it to our soldiers, too.

6thgen, I don't know how you propose that we get them to stop doing it to each other, but it's getting worse over there, not better, and we should leave before another 3000 volunteers get killed or worse.

Our invading forces weren't welcomed as liberators, as the administration hoped, but rather those forces have created a focus that wasn't even there 5 years ago .... there was no al Qaeda in Iraq before we showed up.

6thgen, I don't know how you propose that we get them to stop doing it to each other, but it's getting worse over there, not better, and we should leave before another 3000 volunteers get killed or worse.

Not according to the latest reports that the surge is showing progress. And I don't care if they do it to each other, or at least I don't want to risk American lives for it. I care that they are trying and were overtly threatening the US. If you want to get into it, read a few threads down the board first where I've stated all of this.

there was no al Qaeda in Iraq before we showed up.

Wrong. Again, go back and read up where I've refuted this before I have to again.

For some reason those darn terrorists & insurgents just don't follow the Geneva Convention! Of course they also don't follow their own religion's tenets even though they're supposedly fighting a holy war. It's almost like they'll do whatever hideous thing they can think of.

Yes I know there are several misleading articles out there for whatever political position you want to take. But the reality is Saddam and his Baathist regime had no love for al Qaida. Al-Zarquari was on Saddam's hit list. Remember Saddam wanted absolute power, al Qaida was a threat to his complete power over Iraq. He was more secular than al Qaida and a jihad would not have helped his regime. He only called for jihad when he was attacked, when he needed their help. He shared a hatred of the US with al Qaida, but Afghanistan was where their leader and the mastermind of the 9-11 attack was. That is where the war should have been, our invasion of Iraq and dismissal of bin Laden emboldened al Qaida. Yes they are now in Iraq, see the difference in the country with no control of their iron fisted dictator.
al Qaida can do as they please and we are the perfect target.

I am curious, what is the point in this thread? :idontno:

To get people fired up and rehash the same old arguments.

To get people fired up and rehash the same old arguments.

And yet I fall for it everytime:doh: As if reasoning and logic will somehow make sense this time. :bang:

I am taking my sanity and going to a more pleasant place, the lounge, and then home by the pool.

I am curious, what is the point in this thread? :idontno:

To tell me to go on a diet? :wave:

To tell me to go on a diet? :wave:

:wave: That's right, you might just be tortured for those extra lbs. you are carrying around. ;-)

:wave: That's right, you might just be tortured for those extra lbs. you are carrying around. ;-)

:floor: ...and I thought going on a diet was torture! I am bitter about those extra pounds. 😀

:floor: ...and I thought going on a diet was torture! I am bitter about those extra pounds. 😀

:funn: Well, you can use those extra pounds to keep you warm at night when you have to sleep in the backyard. :wave: