Torture in Iraq

Wow, Chickpea! You have a unique position/great perspective on this. Thank you for the great post! :clap:

I always wondered what would have happened if Isreal had still been created, but somewhere in Europe.

Do you think the problems w/ displaced refugees etc. would have still occurred to the same extent?

Chickpea,

You may be interested in the following article from The Economist

Economist, May 26
The cover article commemorates the 40th anniversary of Israel's Six-Day War. In light of continuing violence in the Middle East, it "has come to look like one of history's pyrrhic victories." The Jewish state's triumph over neighboring Arab forces left Israelis "intoxicated by victory and the Arabs paralysed by humiliation." The subsequent land grab gave rise to today's conflict, "feeding poison into the wounded relations between Islam and the West as a whole." The article argues, "Israel must give up the West Bank and share Jerusalem; the Palestinians must give up the dream of return and make Israel feel secure as a Jewish state.



http://economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9225670

30-Gay,

I have always loved that magazine - thanks for sharing this. I thought the article was poignant and realistic and spells out what the compromises HAVE to be on both sides if peace is to be achieved, certainly in our lifetime!

Thank you.

6th Gen sorry to get off tract but I have a question I believe you can answer and would appreciate a quick lesson when you get the time.

Question: When America went away from using gold and silver to back up our currency what did we use as collateral in its place?

I have been told that the dollar will suffer drastically over the next year and would be interested in your thoughts on this.

Fabian,
Nothing except the US' good name, and that's hard to put in a vault.

I think the dollar has come close to bottoming out, but I'd like to read other opinions. I've seen a chart, but I can't find it, that completely wipes out the last shred of credibility of Keyensian economics. I'll try to find it. Thanks.

I always wondered what would have happened if Isreal had still been created, but somewhere in Europe.

Do you think the problems w/ displaced refugees etc. would have still occurred to the same extent?

Hey Scooterbug,
Israel had real ties to the Holy Land and wanted Palestine and would never have been created in Europe. The problem of refugees will probably take years and years to dissipate and most of them have to resign themselves to possibly never returning to their homeland. Does not mean peace is non-negotiable - just means a more measured, fair and equitable re-partitioning has to take place and those not allowed to return should get some form of compensation - how one even attempts to measure this I have no idea though.

Must say that I am heartened by seeing how many people here in the US have opened their eyes to the Palestinian plight - years ago it was practically impossible to get a fair report of what was going on and the mainstream media had zero interest in reporting on it.

I will keep reading!

Thank you,

Will look in from time to time to get an update on the question. I appreciate the help on this subject.

I am over on another forum fighting with a bunch of Muslims about the white man being the devil and one of the things they are using is us not being backed by gold and silver.

I know its stupid, it sort of reminded of when I was here but what the heck it keeps me laughing.

Take care and wish you all the best.

I didn't realize that we were a bunch of Muslims and that you were the devil.

Sounds like we use a pyramid scheme to back the US $.:funn:

He?s baack????.

The EveryReady Bunny of Nut-Wing Conservatism keeps going, and going, and going,?????..

I?m giddy with anticipation.

Oh FTLOG, is this in addition to the money we middle age wenches already stuff in your sowal thong? :roll: :lol:

I'll stuff some money into that thong any day :floor:

Chickpea, you are always a beautiful lady! Thank you for your "right on" insight!

You are so right Alli and Timmy. I have a headache after the hour and a half of reading this thread so back to my happy place. 😀