I would love to hear the SoWal take on immigration, as I know I don't have all the facts/the whole picture.
Two MAJOR questions I have:
What are the cons of just legalizing everyone already here and then instituting draconian requirements & punishments for hiring/being an illegal alien? I would think we would gain lots of $ in social security, taxes etc.
Am I the only one who hears the plan to "build a wall" to keep illegals out and either thinks of Berlin or the extreme cost/political dissentegration of China after they built the Great Wall (best example I could think of as a border wall)?
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Beach Fanatic
as a family of LEGAL immigrants, i wonder why americans are so amenable to their government randomly deciding not to enforce democratically created laws. it appears that a govt by the people for the people is not something that is celebrated here, but a govt by the elite for the masses is what's being promoted in the media. very strange. obviously those who support illegal immigration don't support humane labor and wage laws, or human trafficking or slavery controls or public health rules -- all laws created to benefit legal immigrants and people seeking REAL opportunity and equal rights in the country that generations of immigrants have died for, worse, they don't honor people that abide by the social contract of a democratic society.
"we need the workers and it's vital to our economy" is exactly what the plantation owners used to say during slave times. too bad things haven't changed much. it's the same people insisting that we have "guest workers" instead of citizens, just like slaves didn't have citizen rights, we are eliminating our important immigration laws, to facilitate the profit margins of greed. and no, amnesty is not the answer to creating citizens.
americans shouldn't want the jobs on offer, because those jobs being offered don't honor our labor, wage and safety laws. it used to say so much about america that despite pressures from the wealthy big business people, they cared more about the average, law abiding citizen and their rights were first.
it's so sad that the elite in this country would rather have a immigrant mean a mexican to clean their toilet for $3, than the sister of a political refugee from africa. america's immigration laws are the most diverse, tolerant and embracing of any country, but americans don't seem to want educated, law abiding immigrants, just those who will never be able to afford to live in their neighborhoods. i do notice that amongst my friends those who support illegal immigration tend to be wealthy and seeking a larger profit margin, while those who don't support illegal immigration tend to be legal immigrants and working people. i wonder whose voice will be heard in the end.
even cesar chavez a legendary leader of migrant workers from mexico established his own center to fight illegal immigration, because he understood it was compassionate to no one. amnesty serves no one. least of all LEGAL immigrants who honor american laws and democracy.
Resorting to the class warfare card significantly cheapens this or any argument.
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Resorting to the class warfare card significantly cheapens this or any argument.
not if the class ignored are law-abiding american citizens. it does not. it elevates the argument. well, that is, depending upon how you look at the average citizen.
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SoWal ExpertAuthor
Resorting to the class warfare card significantly cheapens this or any argument.No, it doesn't! I think Raven's post hit the nail squarely on the head. People want to benefit from cheap and/or unregulated illegal labor ............... as long as it doesn't live in their neighborhood or go to school with their kids.
Beach Fanatic
not if the class are ignored, law-abiding american citizens. it does not. it elevates the argument. well, that is, depending upon how you look at the average citizen.
What? English isn't the first language, eh raven?
Beach Fanatic
No, it doesn't! I think Raven's post hit the nail squarely on the head. People want to benefit from cheap and/or unregulated illegal labor ............... as long as it doesn't live in their neighborhood or go to school with their kids.
That, or they believe that all labor should be unregulated and would welcome the "illegals" in their neighborhood or at their schools.
SoWal ExpertAuthor
What? English isn't the first language, eh raven?
Your grammar and spelling aren't perfect either and you've supposedly been here for 6 generations! Talk about cheapening an argument........
Beach Fanatic
Taxes aren't going down if all illegals are removed. Insurance and hospital rates were out of control before this. Grady has operated on the edge for a long time. Round and round it goes, where it stops...I'm out of this thread I think. Most that are contributing to this thread have little experience with the subject matter I believe. I have had illegal aliens in my neighborhood, at my schools, and in my house as guests. The 3$ an hour junk is an extreme exaggeration in my fairly extensive experience. I know some illegals who have not beeen paid for contract work done just as I know many Americans who were not paid for contract work done. This issue directly affects people whom I have known, worked with, and been friends with for 15 years. Wage ranges in my experience for construction-$11/hour for the totally ignorant up to $25 for the extremely competent. Before anyone posts "those are jobs Americans can be doing" please address my post from above about jobless rates. Peace- I'm out
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