I have now identified one of the BIGGEST problems in this country. Solving it would be relatively simple and have amazing repercussions that would make EVERYONE'S life better in innumerable ways! Airline travel would be more enjoyable, there would be fewer lawsuits, race relations would improve, there would be fewer traffic accidents, you would save & earn more money, other countries would view Americans more favorably, and life in general would be a more pleasant experience. Have you guessed what it is yet?
MANNERS! Before you laugh and dismiss this idea, think of how much easier your day yesterday would have been if even one rude person had instead been nice and polite to you.
I had this epiphany one night at a poker game (quick manners tip, anytime you start with "I don't mean to be an arsehole, but...." you are not only being one, it is about something stupid). Bars are excellent places to see instant repercussions for polite vs. rude behavior. I will get better service by smiling, being patient, and saying please and thank you then the rude guy waving the $20 bill. I also get discounts, reserved seats, free food & drinks, and my requests played by the band. As I sat there watching my own personal reality show (great reception, always on, no commercials, and better then anything scripted), I began to think of all the problems good manners would solve.
So often people feel they need to be rude to get what they want (statistically, the best way is to remain calm & polite, but insistent) and forget how much a little thing can matter. "Please" really is "the magic word", a smile is contagious, and a simple "thank you" or greeting can improve someone's day. A fun experiment is to walk by a line of people and smile at them - you can actually see the change in mood occur.
Now I'm sure you are thinking this sounds like a good idea, but there is no way it could have the major effects I mentioned at the beginning of this post. Here's a couple examples:
Airline travel - planes have become the Greyhounds of the sky, a far cry from when women in white gloves and men in dapper suits made travel glamorous. Flight attendants are overworked and deal w/ cranky & rude people all day (they are really there for your safety and just serve beverages in their down time), kids are kicking your seat and screaming the entire flight, and everyone is busy w/ their cell phone, ipod, or laptop. Overbooked and canceled flights and lost luggage just add to the fun. It is amazing how much of a difference a happy and polite employee, seatmate, or fellow passenger can make. Everyone is so focused on going from Point A to Point B that they miss everything in between. My father comments that he never sees anyone smiling in an airport.
Making a funny face or smiling at a fussy or upset kid will not only improve your flight, but everyone's on the plane. Patiently waiting a minute or two for someone to sit or rise while holding a sleeping kid can mean the difference between a quiet flight and an eardrum assault. I once got upgraded to first class by a fellow PASSENGER because I was willing to switch seats so their tired daughter had room to sleep. Flight attendants have specially made a pot of decaf coffee for me because I didn't want to be a bother when it wasn't an option, they have opened up "already departing" flights for me, and a deadheading pilot talked to the gate agent on an overbooked flight to make sure I got a seat just because I made conversation while politely waiting. Baggage handlers have given me "private numbers" so I can call directly to check on luggage instead of using the automated system, strangers have saved me a seat on hotel shuttles while the pushy person had to wait, and you never saw a happier delayed holiday flight than the one where they did the entire preflight safety lecture based on "twas the night before xmas".
Lawsuits - Only a total arsehole sues someone who is nice and apologetic, so the jury, karma and court of public opinion will take care of them. Think of how often disagreements escalate because someone is rude. Nothing diffuses anger like an apology and politeness. Lawsuits cost everyone money, regardless of who wins.
Ethnic/Race relations - as soon as you smile and say hello, you break down barriers and build bridges. During WWII, they had to move soldiers from the front lines because after playing football during a ceasefire they wouldn't shoot each other. One of the few intelligent statements I have heard about war is that "it will stop when the two sides realize they love their children more than they hate each other". Focus on the positive instead of the negative and only take offense when people MEAN to be offensive.
Traffic Accidents - be patient and follow the rules of the road and there will be no road rage, no fighting over spaces, peaceful merging........
$$$$ - I call them smile discounts - every person who sells you something has the power to save you money. Almost every store or restaurant has discretionary discounts or freebies they don't advertise. From standard % discounts to free samples of products to coupons, these add up! Happy customers & shoppers not only spend more money, they leave bigger tips and give you repeat business. Polite unsatisfied customers receive upgrades, freebies to apologize for the trouble, returns or exchanges on items that are supposedly nonrefundable or returnable, you name it.
International relations - You would be amazed what you miss when you don't learn the language and are an "ugly rude american". The guy at the front desk usually has a relative w/ a great restaurant or a store where you'll get a discount, there are usually available rooms if you are polite, but unhappy about your accomodations, and just learning "hello, thank you, please, I'm sorry" in a foreign language, combined with a smile will get you further than rude fluency. Think of how annoyed you would be if someone came to your home and expected you to speak their language fluently. Now imagine they tried to learn several phrases so they could greet you in your own language.
This isn't a new idea, but it sure is a good one. I suggest a return to civility........and thank you for your time and attention 😀.
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Wow!
Not to be rude, but did you write all that, or cut & paste? :lol:
Manners can be forced by a person but only flow naturally from a person who is well-grounded, balanced, and healthy (or lucky enough to have been born truly good). Our society, and most that are "advanced", suffer from many ills. But for a moment let's all look inside ourselves. Who among us can say they eat right, get enough sleep and exercise, and spend enough time outdoors? I'll bet those who do a few of these things on a regular basis have good manners. And if we all were healthy we would have a civil society.
Not to be rude, but did you write all that, or cut & paste? :lol:
Manners can be forced by a person but only flow naturally from a person who is well-grounded, balanced, and healthy (or lucky enough to have been born truly good). Our society, and most that are "advanced", suffer from many ills. But for a moment let's all look inside ourselves. Who among us can say they eat right, get enough sleep and exercise, and spend enough time outdoors? I'll bet those who do a few of these things on a regular basis have good manners. And if we all were healthy we would have a civil society.
SoWal ExpertAuthor
I cheated - it was a revision of an old scooterbug blog rant! I started the thread after reading about people kicking little kids off their "private" beach.
Anyone can have good manners, they just have to make an effort to do so. Unfortunately, what I consider to be "good manners" do not seem to be a priority anymore.
Anyone can have good manners, they just have to make an effort to do so. Unfortunately, what I consider to be "good manners" do not seem to be a priority anymore.
Beach Fanatic
Thanks for this post Scooterbug...what a pleasant reminder that kind words & actions can be the best friends & teachers. :wave:
Meow
I cheated - it was a revision of an old scooterbug blog rant! I started the thread after reading about people kicking little kids off their "private" beach.
Anyone can have good manners, they just have to make an effort to do so. Unfortunately, what I consider to be "good manners" do not seem to be a priority anymore.
Sorry to disagree with you and don't want to sound cynical, but this is not quite true. :(
SoWal ExpertAuthor
Sorry to disagree with you and don't want to sound cynical, but this is not quite true. :(
What prevents people from being able to say "please" and "thank you" and treating others with civility?
SoWal Insider
What prevents people from being able to say "please" and "thank you" and treating others with civility?
Nothing. I always say pleez and thank you before and after I ask someone to shut the hail up. :lol:
SoWal Expert
Nothing. I always say pleez and thank you before and after I ask someone to shut the hail up. :lol:
:floor:
SoWal ExpertAuthor
Nothing. I always say pleez and thank you before and after I ask someone to shut the hail up. :lol:
So we should start saying PSTFU instead of STFU?
SoWal Insider
What prevents people from being able to say "please" and "thank you" and treating others with civility?Unfortunately, the average IQ is 100. Your call for civility would presuppose a moderate education, a lowering of selfishness combined with some genuine self assesment. That's a tall order for a large segment of the population that is fed daily with materialistic selfishness 24/7 by the good folks of mainstream media. It runs counter to the desires of corporate America. Their message is consume and take care of me me me me if you have to walk over your neighbor's dead body to get what you want.
SoWal ExpertAuthor
Unfortunately, the average IQ is 100. Your call for civility would presuppose a moderate education, a lowering of selfishness combined with some genuine self assesment. That's a tall order for a large segment of the population that is fed daily with materialistic selfishness 24/7 by the good folks of mainstream media. It runs counter to the desires of corporate America. Their message is consume and take care of me me me me if you have to walk over your neighbor's dead body to get what you want.
That's why I was trying to present the argument that being polite would end up benefitting you. I know the ME ME MEs wouldn't do it just because!
I continue to dream that an epidemic of common sense and personal responsibilty will hit ;-)
Beach Fanatic
Unfortunately, the average IQ is 100. Your call for civility would presuppose a moderate education, a lowering of selfishness combined with some genuine self assesment. That's a tall order for a large segment of the population that is fed daily with materialistic selfishness 24/7 by the good folks of mainstream media. It runs counter to the desires of corporate America. Their message is consume and take care of me me me me if you have to walk over your neighbor's dead body to get what you want.
IF your point here is that manners & civility come with "moderate or higher education and above average IQ"...
I observe:
Many of the sweetest, kindest, most polite people I come across are "mentally challenged" folks with lower IQs; while some of the meanest, nastiest curs are the highly educated above average IQ-ers.
SoWal Insider
IF your point here is that manners & civility come with "moderate or higher education and above average IQ"...We've had this discourse in another thread, and I guess my point is that most people are by nature, selfish, and that manners are taught at an early age. Beyond childhood, the only folks likely to change are by introspection, and very little introspection is going on with IQs south of 100. I could be wrong on this, but it's my take on the growing incivility out there.
I observe:
Many of the sweetest, kindest, most polite people I come across are "mentally challenged" folks with lower IQs; while some of the meanest, nastiest curs are the highly educated above average IQ-ers.
Beach Fanatic
Bob, I have no scientific data to contribute, but I think IQ has nothing to do with manners. In my experience the so-called intelligent, educated folks (especially if they are newly wealthy) often are the ones with the least amount of courtesy to others.
Beach Fanatic
I believe much of the blame lies with the decrease in two parent households, which I'd speculate that the percentage of two-parent households would be lower amongst those with a sub-100 IQ. However, civility is a direct function of the sense of entitlement from two ends of the spectrum. I speculate that those depending on the government teat or those that possess of a large number of personal resources such as wealth or intelligence are used to and expect to get their way, so they misbehave when they do not.
SoWal ExpertAuthor
I find that poor manners are not dependent on race, IQ, mental status, wealth, or number of parents. Upbringing does play a major factor.
Sub-100 Iqs don't exactly have a monopoly on divorce or kids outside wedlock!
Sub-100 Iqs don't exactly have a monopoly on divorce or kids outside wedlock!
SoWal Insider
I believe much of the blame lies with the decrease in two parent households, which I'd speculate that the percentage of two-parent households would be lower amongst those with a sub-100 IQ. However, civility is a direct function of the sense of entitlement from two ends of the spectrum. I speculate that those depending on the government teat or those that possess of a large number of personal resources such as wealth or intelligence are used to and expect to get their way, so they misbehave when they do not.
Pleez, An opinion from you on civility is the biggest oxymoron I have seen yet on Sowal. Thank you in advance for the laugh. :lol:
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Beach Fanatic
I find that poor manners are not dependent on race, IQ, mental status, wealth, or number of parents. Upbringing does play a major factor.
Sub-100 Iqs don't exactly have a monopoly on divorce or kids outside wedlock!
Race, IQ, mental status, wealth and number of parents have an affect on upbringing, so while each may not be a factor in and of itself, they are a factor in a larger sense.
Mango, please don't confuse unrequited civility with that which is requited.
SoWal ExpertAuthor
Race, IQ, mental status, wealth and number of parents have an affect on upbringing, so while each may not be a factor in and of itself, they are a factor in a larger sense.
Everything is a factor to some extent. I meant that you can't easily categorize one group vs. another in terms of manners.
Whether you were raised by 2 parents or wolves, in a mansion or a ghetto, your manners level will reflect the values and level of discipline you were raised with. I know my parents/relatives consider my manners & upbringing a constant work in progress ;-).
SoWal Insider
Does anyone in this discussion feel that lower IQs would be inclined to question their own behavior as higher IQs?
SoWal ExpertAuthor
Does anyone in this discussion feel that lower IQs would be inclined to question their own behavior as higher IQs?Huh?
Beach Fanatic
Everything is a factor to some extent. I meant that you can't easily categorize one group vs. another in terms of manners.
Yes, you can. You just can't do it politely.
For Bob's question, I don't believe that more intelligent people are more inclined to question their behavior than less intelligent people, because the validation they've received all along has given them little incentive to do so. They would be more able to accurately question their behavior, but I don't believe they would be more apt to.
SoWal Insider
Ok, I'm ready to be uncivil.....let's talk about Iraq
SoWal ExpertAuthor
Yes, you can. You just can't do it politely.
For Bob's question, I don't believe that more intelligent people are more inclined to question their behavior than less intelligent people, because the validation they've received all along has given them little incentive to do so. They would be more able to accurately question their behavior, but I don't believe they would be more apt to.
Politeness and civility are not racially or economically based, no matter what you and your stereotypes say! You could do an anthropological analysis of various cultures and ethnicities, but you will just find that the values are environmental and culturally (not racially) dependent.
As I am constantly reminded, IQ, intelligence, education, and knowledge are all very different things. Some of the smartest people I've met did not have high IQs and some of the stupidest have PhDs.
Bob- I do not believe self awareness or self checking of rudeness is generally dependent on one's IQ or overall intelligence.
SoWal ExpertAuthor
Ok, I'm ready to be uncivil.....let's talk about IraqNOOOOO! Not on this thread please!
:yikes:
Beach Fanatic
Politeness and civility are not racially or economically based, no matter what you and your stereotypes say! You could do an anthropological analysis of various cultures and ethnicities, but you will just find that the values are environmental and culturally (not racially) dependent.
As I am constantly reminded, IQ, intelligence, education, and knowledge are all very different things. Some of the smartest people I've met did not have high IQs and some of the stupidest have PhDs.
Bob- I do not believe self awareness or self checking of rudeness is generally dependent on one's IQ or overall intelligence.
Just out of curiosity, do you believe in any difference between the sexes, races or classes? Were you one of the ones calling for Larry Summers termination?
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