"This group can speak freely and boldly, working both publicly and behind the scenes on whatever actions need to be taken. Together we will work to support courage where there is fear, foster agreement where there is conflict, and inspire hope where there is despair"
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SoWal Insider
I would hope none of us would want to beat anyone with a pillowcase full of doorknobs; not Nixon, Carter, Clinton or Bush. I didn't vote for Carter but wouldn't hurt him. I don't think the things Bush has done qualify him as a good president, but I still wouldn't think beating him up would be an option.
It has less to do with respect for that person or the job they did, but rather just basic human decency.
Speaking of basic human decency, thanks for the thread LW.
It has less to do with respect for that person or the job they did, but rather just basic human decency.
Speaking of basic human decency, thanks for the thread LW.
Skunky
Camp David Accords
You took the bait....
SoWal Expert
You took the bait....
I know. Why bother, right? Jimmy Carter was not the best President ever (of course, I don't think that is a title any President could have). But I think his heart and mind were in the right place and trying to do the right thing during his time in office. Do I think he was a leader that appeared forceful to the rest of the world? No. But when compared to our curent leader that the world thinks is a evil gigantic boob, being just a "nice guy" ain't so bad to me.
Hey - put your big boy panties on.;-)
SoWal Insider
I know. Why bother, right? Jimmy Carter was not the best President ever (of course, I don't think that is a title any President could have). But I think his heart and mind were in the right place and trying to do the right thing during his time in office. Do I think he was a leader that appeared forceful to the rest of the world? No. But when compared to our curent leader that the world thinks is a evil gigantic boob, being just a "nice guy" ain't so bad to me.
Hey - put your big boy panties on.;-)
There ya go! You managed to get boob and Bush in one sentence. Perfect!
Now this doesn't mean I am dragging out my pillowcase and removing my lovely glass doorknobs.
Beach FanaticAuthor
I would hope none of us would want to beat anyone with a pillowcase full of doorknobs; not Nixon, Carter, Clinton or Bush. I didn't vote for Carter but wouldn't hurt him. I don't think the things Bush has done qualify him as a good president, but I still wouldn't think beating him up would be an option.
It has less to do with respect for that person or the job they did, but rather just basic human decency.
Speaking of basic human decency, thanks for the thread LW.
Beach Lover
"This group can speak freely and boldly, working both publicly and behind the scenes on whatever actions need to be taken. Together we will work to support courage where there is fear, foster agreement where there is conflict, and inspire hope where there is despair"
Where did the quote come from? What about the list? Thanks, LightWorker.
SoWal Insider
Thanks for posting! What an inspirational group and an interesting project. Jimmy Carter has an admirable legacy that will far outlast any of us, and most presidents. He was the last statesman our country may ever know as president, a man after his time.I'm personally more impressed (or not) by what an ex-president has done with their life after their term has ended. There's no better example than Jimmy Carter in my eyes.
Beach Fanatic
Where did the quote come from? What about the list? Thanks, LightWorker.
Hey Ocean - Each name is a link to their own site --- part of http://www.theelders.org/welcome/
I think I saw where the quote is from Nelson Mandela.
Beach Lover
Hey Ocean - Each name is a link to their own site --- part of http://www.theelders.org/welcome/
I think I saw where the quote is from Nelson Mandela.
Thanks, Savvy
Beach Fanatic
Last time I checked, and I keep going back to look and make sure, that list didn't say President Jimmy Carter, or President Hopeful Jimmy Carter, or Jimmy Carter running for President.
Its about Jimmy Carter the person, the Humanitarian. It's about what he has done since, and who he is now.
Jimmy Carter is a Hero in my book.
I'm not proud of some things I've done a couple of decades ago, but hey, that's not what I'm bringing to the table today.
Let's move on.
Seaside Rep Theatre is doing "The Christmas Carol" this Holiday Season and are having open auditions for the part of Scrooge.
They are looking for someone who would be a natural. Any ideas?
And remember, he turns out to be a good guy in the end.
Anything is possible. Life is too short to be that bitter. Let's look inside, find the source, let go and move forward.
Have an awesome day!
Sincerely. You have that choice. It's an option that's out there if you want it.
dka
PS, once again this
site has made me late for work.
Oh, but hey, that was my choice and I have to live with it.
Learn from it, and move on.
Its about Jimmy Carter the person, the Humanitarian. It's about what he has done since, and who he is now.
Jimmy Carter is a Hero in my book.
I'm not proud of some things I've done a couple of decades ago, but hey, that's not what I'm bringing to the table today.
Let's move on.
Seaside Rep Theatre is doing "The Christmas Carol" this Holiday Season and are having open auditions for the part of Scrooge.
They are looking for someone who would be a natural. Any ideas?
And remember, he turns out to be a good guy in the end.
Anything is possible. Life is too short to be that bitter. Let's look inside, find the source, let go and move forward.
Have an awesome day!
Sincerely. You have that choice. It's an option that's out there if you want it.
dka
PS, once again this
site has made me late for work.Oh, but hey, that was my choice and I have to live with it.
Learn from it, and move on.
Beach Fanatic
Here's a bone for you 6thGen, why don't you tell us why he was a bad President.
And JohnRudy
I'm personally more impressed (or not) by what an ex-president has done with their life after their term has ended. There's no better example than Jimmy Carter in my eyes.
Too much material for a message board. Either of you can borrow my copy if you like.
http://www.nationalreview.com/interrogatory/hayward200407260700.asp
Beach Fanatic
Camp David Accords
And we all know how well that turned out. If an "I don't know" shrug is the best you can do to define a great statesman, I'd say you haven't really read up on the subject. In fairness, kurt said it, not you, so I'm just waiting with baited breath to hear why he thinks Carter is a great statesman. He is right that Carter's legacy will outlast most Presidents, but more along the lines of Andrew Johnson, not his predecessor.
Darlene is my middle name, not my nickname
And JohnRudy
Too much material for a message board. Either of you can borrow my copy if you like.
http://www.nationalreview.com/interrogatory/hayward200407260700.asp
Yes, I figured you would find something "ONLINE", you know like you alway's do to support your cause. Why don't you let it come out of YOUR mouth instead of someone else's.
Beach Fanatic
Yes, I figured you would find something "ONLINE", you know like you alway's do to support your cause. Why don't you let it come out of YOUR mouth instead of someone else's.
No, it's a review of a book I read. If you asked me how we defeated the Germans in the Ardennes, I'd refer you to Dr. Cole rather than trying to explain it in a few sentences. When did you graduate from The University of Alabama again? I'm sure the professors there, since I'm sure you attended the University, gave you books to read rather than spending 50 minutes (assuming you were there when they were on the quarter system) blathering on their opinion of the subject. Right?
Beach Fanatic
Here are a few of my favorite things he did while in office from Wikipedia as follows: 
Upon assuming office on January 20, 1977, President Carter moved to rejuvenate the Middle Eastern peace process that had stalled throughout the 1976 presidential campaign in the United States. Following the advice of a Brookings Institution report, Carter opted to replace the incremental, bilateral peace talks which had characterized Henry Kissinger's shuttle diplomacy following the 1973 Yom Kippur War with a comprehensive, multilateral approach. This new approach called for the reconvening of the 1973 Geneva Conference, this time with a Palestinian delegation, in hopes of negotiating a final settlement, however this never materialized."...
"Carter wasted no time in visiting the heads-of-state on whom he would have to rely to make any peace agreement feasible. By the end of his first year in office, he had already met with Anwar Al Sadat of Egypt, King Hussein of Jordan, Hafez al-Assad of Syria, and Yitzhak Rabin of Israel."
More On Camp David from Wiki. A lot of us remember this, I'm sure.
"Begin and Sadat had such mutual antipathy toward one another that they only seldom had direct contact; thus Carter had to conduct his own microcosmic form of shuttle diplomacy by holding one-on-one meetings with either Sadat or Begin in one cabin, then returning to the cabin of the third party to relay the substance of his discussions.
Begin and Brzezinski playing chess at Camp David.
A particularly difficult situation arose on day ten of the talks. The issues of Israeli settlement withdrawal from the Sinai and the status of the West Bank created what seemed to be an impasse.
President Carter, National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Secretary of State Cyrus Vance at Camp David.
Begin and Sadat were ?literally not on speaking terms,? and ?claustrophobia was setting in." In response, Carter had the choice of trying to salvage the agreement by conceding the issue of the West Bank to Begin, while advocating Sadat?s less controversial position on the removal of all settlements from the Sinai Peninsula. Or he could have refused to continue the talks, reported the reasons for their failure, and allowed Begin to bear the brunt of the blame. Carter chose to continue and for three more days negotiated.
Terms of the agreements
There were two 1978 Camp David agreements A Framework for Peace in the Middle East and A Framework for the Conclusion of a Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel, the second leading towards the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty signed in March, 1979. The agreements and the peace treaty were both accompanied by "side-letters" of understanding between Egypt and the US and Israel and the US.[1]
The success of Begin, Sadat, and Carter at Camp David demonstrated to other Arab states and entities that negotiations with Israel were possible ? that progress results only from sustained efforts at communication and cooperation.
Also: In his inaugural address he said: "We have learned that more is not necessarily better, that even our great nation has its recognized limits, and that we can neither answer all questions nor solve all problems."[18] His first steps in the White House were to reduce the size of the staff by one third, and order cabinet members to drive their own cars
While Carter kept his promise (all 51 hostages returned home alive), he failed to secure the release of the hostages prior to the election. While Carter ultimately won their release, Iran did not technically release the hostages until minutes after Reagan took office. In recognition of the fact that Carter was responsible for bringing the hostages home, President Reagan asked Carter to go to Germany to greet them upon their release.
And finally-
In 1981, he returned to Georgia to his peanut farm, which he had placed into a blind trust during his presidency to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest.
President Carter has received many honors throughout his life. Among the most significant honors were the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1999 and the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002. Others include:
Upon assuming office on January 20, 1977, President Carter moved to rejuvenate the Middle Eastern peace process that had stalled throughout the 1976 presidential campaign in the United States. Following the advice of a Brookings Institution report, Carter opted to replace the incremental, bilateral peace talks which had characterized Henry Kissinger's shuttle diplomacy following the 1973 Yom Kippur War with a comprehensive, multilateral approach. This new approach called for the reconvening of the 1973 Geneva Conference, this time with a Palestinian delegation, in hopes of negotiating a final settlement, however this never materialized."...
"Carter wasted no time in visiting the heads-of-state on whom he would have to rely to make any peace agreement feasible. By the end of his first year in office, he had already met with Anwar Al Sadat of Egypt, King Hussein of Jordan, Hafez al-Assad of Syria, and Yitzhak Rabin of Israel."
More On Camp David from Wiki. A lot of us remember this, I'm sure.
"Begin and Sadat had such mutual antipathy toward one another that they only seldom had direct contact; thus Carter had to conduct his own microcosmic form of shuttle diplomacy by holding one-on-one meetings with either Sadat or Begin in one cabin, then returning to the cabin of the third party to relay the substance of his discussions.
Begin and Brzezinski playing chess at Camp David.
A particularly difficult situation arose on day ten of the talks. The issues of Israeli settlement withdrawal from the Sinai and the status of the West Bank created what seemed to be an impasse.
President Carter, National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Secretary of State Cyrus Vance at Camp David.
Begin and Sadat were ?literally not on speaking terms,? and ?claustrophobia was setting in." In response, Carter had the choice of trying to salvage the agreement by conceding the issue of the West Bank to Begin, while advocating Sadat?s less controversial position on the removal of all settlements from the Sinai Peninsula. Or he could have refused to continue the talks, reported the reasons for their failure, and allowed Begin to bear the brunt of the blame. Carter chose to continue and for three more days negotiated.
Terms of the agreements
There were two 1978 Camp David agreements A Framework for Peace in the Middle East and A Framework for the Conclusion of a Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel, the second leading towards the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty signed in March, 1979. The agreements and the peace treaty were both accompanied by "side-letters" of understanding between Egypt and the US and Israel and the US.[1]
The success of Begin, Sadat, and Carter at Camp David demonstrated to other Arab states and entities that negotiations with Israel were possible ? that progress results only from sustained efforts at communication and cooperation.
Also: In his inaugural address he said: "We have learned that more is not necessarily better, that even our great nation has its recognized limits, and that we can neither answer all questions nor solve all problems."[18] His first steps in the White House were to reduce the size of the staff by one third, and order cabinet members to drive their own cars
While Carter kept his promise (all 51 hostages returned home alive), he failed to secure the release of the hostages prior to the election. While Carter ultimately won their release, Iran did not technically release the hostages until minutes after Reagan took office. In recognition of the fact that Carter was responsible for bringing the hostages home, President Reagan asked Carter to go to Germany to greet them upon their release.
And finally-
In 1981, he returned to Georgia to his peanut farm, which he had placed into a blind trust during his presidency to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest.
President Carter has received many honors throughout his life. Among the most significant honors were the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1999 and the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002. Others include:
- LL.D. (honoris causa) Morehouse College, 1972; Morris Brown College, 1972; University of Notre Dame, 1977; Emory University, 1979; Kwansei Gakuin University, 1981; Georgia Southwestern College, 1981; New York Law School, 1985; Bates College, 1985; Centre College, 1987; Creighton University, 1987; University of Pennsylvania, 1998
- D.E. (honoris causa) Georgia Institute of Technology, 1979
- Ph.D (honoris causa) Weizmann Institute of Science, 1980; Tel Aviv University, 1983; Haifa University, 1987
- D.H.L. (honoris causa) Central Connecticut State University, 1985; Trinity College, 1998
- Doctor (honoris causa) G.O.C. University, 1995
- Silver Buffalo Award, Boy Scouts of America, 1978
- Gold medal, International Institute for Human Rights, 1979
- International Mediation medal, American Arbitration Association, 1979
- Martin Luther King, Jr. Nonviolent Peace Prize, 1979
- International Human Rights Award, Synagogue Council of America, 1979
- Conservationist of the Year Award, 1979
- Harry S. Truman Public Service Award, 1981
- Ansel Adams Conservation Award, Wilderness Society, 1982
- Human Rights Award, International League for Human Rights, 1983
- World Methodist Peace Award, 1985
- Albert Schweitzer Prize for Humanitarianism, 1987
- Edwin C. Whitehead Award, National Center for Health Education, 1989
- Jefferson Award, American Institute of Public Service, 1990
- Philadelphia Liberty Medal, National Constitution Center, 1990
- Spirit of America Award, National Council for the Social Studies, 1990
- Physicians for Social Responsibility Award, 1991 Aristotle Prize, Alexander S. Onassis Foundation, 1991
- W. Averell Harriman Democracy Award, National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, 1992
- Spark M. Matsunaga Medal of Peace, US Institute of Peace, 1993
- Humanitarian Award, CARE International, 1993
- Conservationist of the Year Medal, National Wildlife Federation, 1993
- Rotary Award for World Understanding, 1994
- J. William Fulbright Prize for International Understanding, 1994
- National Civil Rights Museum Freedom Award, 1994
- UNESCO F?lix Houphou?t-Boigny Peace Prize, 1994
- Great Cross of the Order of Vasco Nun?z de Balboa, Panama, 1995
- Bishop John T. Walker Distinguished Humanitarian Award, Africare, 1996
- Humanitarian of the Year, GQ Awards, 1996
- Kiwanis International Humanitarian Award, 1996
- Indira Gandhi Prize for Peace, Disarmament and Development, 1997
- Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter Awards for Humanitarian Contributions to the Health of Humankind, National Foundation for Infectious Diseases, 1997
- United Nations Human Rights Award, 1998
- The Hoover Medal, 1998
- International Child Survival Award, UNICEF Atlanta, 1999
- William Penn Mott, Jr., Park Leadership Award, National Parks Conservation Association, 2000
- Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album, National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences, 2007
- Berkeley Medal, University of California campus, May 2, 2007
- Freedom of the City of Newcastle upon Tyne, England[18] awarded on the occasion of his visit to the city (6 May 1977)[19]
- Honorary Fellow of Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland (conferred on the 18th June 2007)
- Honorary Fellow of Mansfield College, Oxford (conferred on the 21st June 2007)
SoWal Expert
And we all know how well that turned out. If an "I don't know" shrug is the best you can do to define a great statesman, I'd say you haven't really read up on the subject. In fairness, kurt said it, not you, so I'm just waiting with baited breath to hear why he thinks Carter is a great statesman. He is right that Carter's legacy will outlast most Presidents, but more along the lines of Andrew Johnson, not his predecessor.
It was a start- at least he was passionate about the peace process.
Oh sorry, I'm not Kurt.
Beach FanaticAuthor
Here are a few of my favorite things he did while in office from Wikipedia as follows:
Upon assuming office on January 20, 1977, President Carter moved to rejuvenate the Middle Eastern peace process that had stalled throughout the 1976 presidential campaign in the United States. Following the advice of a Brookings Institution report, Carter opted to replace the incremental, bilateral peace talks which had characterized Henry Kissinger's shuttle diplomacy following the 1973 Yom Kippur War with a comprehensive, multilateral approach. This new approach called for the reconvening of the 1973 Geneva Conference, this time with a Palestinian delegation, in hopes of negotiating a final settlement, however this never materialized."...
"Carter wasted no time in visiting the heads-of-state on whom he would have to rely to make any peace agreement feasible. By the end of his first year in office, he had already met with Anwar Al Sadat of Egypt, King Hussein of Jordan, Hafez al-Assad of Syria, and Yitzhak Rabin of Israel."
More On Camp David from Wiki. A lot of us remember this, I'm sure.
"Begin and Sadat had such mutual antipathy toward one another that they only seldom had direct contact; thus Carter had to conduct his own microcosmic form of shuttle diplomacy by holding one-on-one meetings with either Sadat or Begin in one cabin, then returning to the cabin of the third party to relay the substance of his discussions.
Begin and Brzezinski playing chess at Camp David.
A particularly difficult situation arose on day ten of the talks. The issues of Israeli settlement withdrawal from the Sinai and the status of the West Bank created what seemed to be an impasse.
President Carter, National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Secretary of State Cyrus Vance at Camp David.
Begin and Sadat were ?literally not on speaking terms,? and ?claustrophobia was setting in." In response, Carter had the choice of trying to salvage the agreement by conceding the issue of the West Bank to Begin, while advocating Sadat?s less controversial position on the removal of all settlements from the Sinai Peninsula. Or he could have refused to continue the talks, reported the reasons for their failure, and allowed Begin to bear the brunt of the blame. Carter chose to continue and for three more days negotiated.
Terms of the agreements
There were two 1978 Camp David agreements A Framework for Peace in the Middle East and A Framework for the Conclusion of a Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel, the second leading towards the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty signed in March, 1979. The agreements and the peace treaty were both accompanied by "side-letters" of understanding between Egypt and the US and Israel and the US.[1]
The success of Begin, Sadat, and Carter at Camp David demonstrated to other Arab states and entities that negotiations with Israel were possible ? that progress results only from sustained efforts at communication and cooperation.
Also: In his inaugural address he said: "We have learned that more is not necessarily better, that even our great nation has its recognized limits, and that we can neither answer all questions nor solve all problems."[18] His first steps in the White House were to reduce the size of the staff by one third, and order cabinet members to drive their own cars
While Carter kept his promise (all 51 hostages returned home alive), he failed to secure the release of the hostages prior to the election. While Carter ultimately won their release, Iran did not technically release the hostages until minutes after Reagan took office. In recognition of the fact that Carter was responsible for bringing the hostages home, President Reagan asked Carter to go to Germany to greet them upon their release.
And finally-
In 1981, he returned to Georgia to his peanut farm, which he had placed into a blind trust during his presidency to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest.
President Carter has received many honors throughout his life. Among the most significant honors were the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1999 and the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002. Others include:
seacrestkristi
You show the truth. He is a great man
Thank you,
Beach Fanatic
Your welcome, Light Worker. Thank you for puttin' up with the length and sorry about runnin' together at the end about him having the cabinet drive thier own cars and the hostages getting home safe. I should've put a line there or sumpin'. 
I just 
Jimmy Carter, and Rosalyn, and Amy. What was the grandma's name?
I just Jimmy Carter, and Rosalyn, and Amy. What was the grandma's name?Beach FanaticAuthor
Your welcome, Light Worker. Thank you for puttin' up with the length and sorry about runnin' together at the end about him having the cabinet drive thier own cars and the hostages getting home safe. I should've put a line there or sumpin'.
James Earl Carter, Jr., was born in the tiny village of Plains, Ga., Oct. 1, 1924, and grew up on the family farm at nearby Archery. Both parents were fifth-generation Georgians. His father, James Earl Carter, was known as a segregationist, but treated his black and white workers equally. Carter's mother, Lillian Gordy, was a matriarchal presence in home and community and opposed the then-prevailing code of racial inequality. The future president was baptized in 1935 in the conservative Southern Baptist Church and spoke often of being a ?born again? Christian, although committed to the separation of church and state.
Does this help?
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