Outing Gives Potter Passages New Meaning
Oct. 22, 2007, 1:30 AM EST
The Associated Press
NEW YORK -- With author J.K. Rowling's revelation that master wizard Albus Dumbledore is gay, some passages about the Hogwarts headmaster and rival wizard Gellert Grindelwald have taken on a new and clearer meaning.
The British author stunned her fans at Carnegie Hall on Friday night when she answered one young reader's question about Dumbledore by saying that he was gay and had been in love with Grindelwald, whom he had defeated years ago in a bitter fight.
'"You cannot imagine how his ideas caught me, Harry, inflamed me,'" Dumbledore says in "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows," the seventh and final book in Rowling's record-breaking fantasy series.
The news brought gasps, then applause at Carnegie Hall, the last stop on Rowling's brief U.S. tour, and set off thousands of e-mails on Potter fan Web sites around the world. Some were dismayed, others indifferent, but most were supportive.
"Jo Rowling calling any Harry Potter character gay would make wonderful strides in tolerance toward homosexuality," Melissa Anelli, webmaster of the fan site http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org, told The Associated Press. "By dubbing someone so respected, so talented and so kind, as someone who just happens to be also homosexual, she's reinforcing the idea that a person's gayness is not something of which they should be ashamed."
"'DUMBLEDORE IS GAY' is quite a headline to stumble upon on a Friday evening, and it's certainly not what I expected," added Potter fan Patrick Ross, of Rutherford, N.J.
"(But) a gay character in the most popular series in the world is a big step for Jo Rowling and for gay rights."
Gellert Grindelwald was a dark wizard of great power, who terrorized people much in the same way Harry's nemesis, Lord Voldemort, was to do a generation later. Readers hear of him in the first book, "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone," in a reference to how Dumbledore defeated him. In "Deathly Hallows," readers learn they once had been best friends.
"Neither Dumbledore nor Grindelwald ever seems to have referred to this brief boyhood friendship in later life,'" Rowling writes. "However, there can be no doubt that Dumbledore delayed, for some five years of turmoil, fatalities, and disappearances, his attack upon Gellert Grindelwald. Was it lingering affection for the man or fear of exposure as his once best friend that caused Dumbledore to hesitate?"
As a young man, Dumbledore, brilliant and powerful, had been forced to return home to look after his mentally ill younger sister and younger brother. It was a task he admits to Harry that he resented, because it derailed the bright future he had been looking forward to.
Then Grindelwald, described by Rowling as "golden-haired, merry-faced," arrived after having been expelled from his own school. Grindelwald's aunt, Bathilda Bagshot, says of their meeting: "The boys took to each other at once." In a letter to Grindelwald, Dumbledore discusses their plans for gaining wizard dominance: "'(I)f you had not been expelled we would never have met.'"
Potter readers had speculated about Dumbledore, noting that he has no close relationship with women and a mysterious, troubled past.
"Falling in love can blind us to an extent," Rowling said Friday of Dumbledore's feelings about Grindelwald, adding that Dumbledore was "horribly, terribly let down."
Dumbledore's love, she observed, was his "great tragedy."
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49SWGB
Well that's just fabulous!!!
I wonder when the book burnings will begin?
I wonder when the book burnings will begin?
SoWal ExpertAuthor
Right after their heads stop exploding from realizing a children's book series that has sold more than 325 million copies has a positive gay role model!
SoWal Insider
Broke Back Hogwarts? 

hmmmm......can't remember
Right after their heads stop exploding from realizing a children's book series that has sold more than 325 million copies has a positive gay role model!
He's fictional, for Pete's sake. We're not talking about Rock Hudson here.
SoWal ExpertAuthor
I know it's fiction (and some of the best fiction IMO) - just like Tinkie-Winkie or whomever was a fictional character. Didn't stop people from flipping out.
The fact that Harry Potter is fiction didn't stop someone in Georgia from trying to get the books removed from their school library because they thought it glorified witchcraft!
The fact that Harry Potter is fiction didn't stop someone in Georgia from trying to get the books removed from their school library because they thought it glorified witchcraft!
hmmmm......can't remember
I know it's fiction (and some of the best fiction IMO) - just like Tinkie-Winkie or whomever was a fictional character. Didn't stop people from flipping out.
The fact that Harry Potter is fiction didn't stop someone in Georgia from trying to get the books removed from their school library because they thought it glorified witchcraft!
Nor did it take into account that several of the finest writers of children's fiction also wrote about witchcraft. As much as I like Potter, it's not on the level of the Chronicles of Narnia, The Hobbit, or the Wrinkle in Time series, which were all written about witchcraft by prominent Christian writers.
My point is that not once in the series was Dumbledore a "gay role model." He was just a role model. If Rowling were to "out" him as a heterosexual, a Christian, or a Star Trek devotee, this whole argument would be equally stupid. As much as I like her, it's ridiculous for her to be ascribing heretofore unseen qualities to her characters after the fact. You might as well tell me that Bilbo Baggins was a transvestite--it just doesn't matter.
bean
I know it's fiction (and some of the best fiction IMO) - just like Tinkie-Winkie or whomever was a fictional character. Didn't stop people from flipping out.
The fact that Harry Potter is fiction didn't stop someone in Georgia from trying to get the books removed from their school library because they thought it glorified witchcraft!
It kinda does.....
Beach Fanatic
It kinda does.....
I think it glorifies imaginary magical abilities, not witchcraft per se. It glorifies people who use their abilities for good over evil. It glorifies a mother's love. It's lessons are completely compatible with Christian teachings. And it's fiction.
Beach Fanatic
I know it's fiction (and some of the best fiction IMO) - just like Tinkie-Winkie or whomever was a fictional character. Didn't stop people from flipping out.
The fact that Harry Potter is fiction didn't stop someone in Georgia from trying to get the books removed from their school library because they thought it glorified witchcraft!
It kinda does.....
Hmmm....so far, I've only gotten around to reading the first 3 of the Harry Potter series...but my perspective from those 3, is that it is not so much about witchcraft, as about the MAGIC of Good prevailing over Evil.

SoWal ExpertAuthor
What's wrong w/ a children's fiction book with a hidden world of witches who go to a boarding school where they fly on broomsticks? It's called imagination and creativity. If you're worried about your child joining a coven because they read Harry Potter, you've got bigger issues than a book.
Let's ban all the books w/ potentially subversive ideas!
Ban Shakepeare because he used witches and bad words, dinosaur books because they contradict the bible/creationism, murder mysteries because they put ideas of crime into kid's heads, Little House on the Prairie because they aren't vegetarians, Garfield cartoons because a talking cat is obviously the work of the devil, and Dr. Suess just because he made up words!
Let's ban all the books w/ potentially subversive ideas!
Ban Shakepeare because he used witches and bad words, dinosaur books because they contradict the bible/creationism, murder mysteries because they put ideas of crime into kid's heads, Little House on the Prairie because they aren't vegetarians, Garfield cartoons because a talking cat is obviously the work of the devil, and Dr. Suess just because he made up words!

Beach Fanatic
What's wrong w/ a children's fiction book with a hidden world of witches who go to a boarding school where they fly on broomsticks? It's called imagination and creativity. If you're worried about your child joining a coven because they read Harry Potter, you've got bigger issues than a book.
Let's ban all the books w/ potentially subversive ideas!
Ban Shakepeare because he used witches and bad words, dinosaur books because they contradict the bible/creationism, murder mysteries because they put ideas of crime into kid's heads, Little House on the Prairie because they aren't vegetarians, Garfield cartoons because a talking cat is obviously the work of the devil, and Dr. Suess just because he made up words!
Nellie Oleson was really a witch

bean
I think it glorifies imaginary magical abilities, not witchcraft per se. It glorifies people who use their abilities for good over evil. It glorifies a mother's love. It's lessons are completely compatible with Christian teachings. And it's fiction.
I totally agree. When Sam started reading these books at a very young age (2nd grade) I had my reservations. I read What's a Christian to do with Harry Potter to help me understand it a little better. I have a few friends that don't allow HP and then they don't trick or treat either. It really is what you read into it sometimes.
bean
Hmmm....so far, I've only gotten around to reading the first 3 of the Harry Potter series...but my perspective from those 3, is that it is not so much about witchcraft, as about the MAGIC of Good prevailing over Evil.
I've read the first 3 also...it gets much darker in the later books.
SoWal Insider
I haven't read the books but I have seen the movies, and like them. And I also own them.
At least she waited until after her last book to bring that out.
At least she waited until after her last book to bring that out.Edited
SoWal ExpertAuthor
I totally agree. When Sam started reading these books at a very young age (2nd grade) I had my reservations. I read What's a Christian to do with Harry Potter to help me understand it a little better. I have a few friends that don't allow HP and then they don't trick or treat either. It really is what you read into it sometimes.
Interesting. I would have thought being orphaned & made to live in a closet by your abusive relatives or the idea of purebloods vs. mixed bloods would be more touchy subjects than having magical powers and how you reconcile that idea with Christian teachings.
SoWal Insider
Nellie Oleson was really a witch
:funn:The monster of Walnut Grove. :rofl:
SoWal ExpertAuthor
Rowling: 'Dumbledore Is Gay'
At a public appearance at Carnegie Hall in New York, author J.K. Rowling announced that Dumbledore, the headmaster character in her popular Harry Potter series, is homosexual. What do you think?
Larry Hahn,
Water Delivery Man
"Wow. I haven't heard that. I've been really busy lately not caring about the sexual preferences of fictional people."
Cathy Grodin,
Fundraiser
"Dumbledore? I always figured the gay ones were Harry, Draco Malfoy, Hermione, Ron, Hagrid, Dudley Dursely, Ptolemy, Morgana, and Professor Snape."
Ralph Draper,
Tow Truck Driver
"Hey, that wasn't supposed to come out yet. Incloseto putbacko!"
At a public appearance at Carnegie Hall in New York, author J.K. Rowling announced that Dumbledore, the headmaster character in her popular Harry Potter series, is homosexual. What do you think?
Larry Hahn,Water Delivery Man
"Wow. I haven't heard that. I've been really busy lately not caring about the sexual preferences of fictional people."
Cathy Grodin,Fundraiser
"Dumbledore? I always figured the gay ones were Harry, Draco Malfoy, Hermione, Ron, Hagrid, Dudley Dursely, Ptolemy, Morgana, and Professor Snape."
Ralph Draper,Tow Truck Driver
"Hey, that wasn't supposed to come out yet. Incloseto putbacko!"
Beach Fanatic
Salon.com posted a good article about the whole Dumblydore/gay thing:
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/10/23/dumbledore/index.html?source=rss&aim=salon
IMHO, Nellie was gay, and clearly crushing on Laura...
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/10/23/dumbledore/index.html?source=rss&aim=salon
IMHO, Nellie was gay, and clearly crushing on Laura...

Beach Fanatic
Salon.com posted a good article about the whole Dumblydore/gay thing:
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/10/23/dumbledore/index.html?source=rss&aim=salon
IMHO, Nellie was gay, and clearly crushing on Laura...
perhaps, to quote the above linked article, a "BONUS piece of information" that author Laura Ingalls carried to her grave? sussa
Salon.com posted a good article about the whole Dumblydore/gay thing:
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/10/23/dumbledore/index.html?source=rss&aim=salon
IMHO, Nellie was gay, and clearly crushing on Laura...
"Dumblydore"...hee hee

I just don't get why it matters now, after the fact.
SoWal ExpertAuthor
I just thought it was funny that it was national news...................which is why I posted the thread in the lounge ;-).
SoWal Expert
I had a really sad conversation with a teen who was never going to read the Harry Potter books- she told me that "real Christians" believe magic and witchcraft are sinful and evil. She made this statement as if the books were true stories and would really impact someone's faith! Just so sad to be that close-minded at such a young age.
Oh, I don't care if Dumbledore is gay. I never had a reason to even think about his sexuality (did anybody think about it before this was mentioned?), and it totally doesn't matter.

Oh, I don't care if Dumbledore is gay. I never had a reason to even think about his sexuality (did anybody think about it before this was mentioned?), and it totally doesn't matter.
SoWal ExpertAuthor
That is so sad.
IMO whenever folks start claiming to be "real Christians" and making claims about what is sinful & evil they've missed the main point of the Bible's stories and Jesus' teachings :roll:.
Log in your eye, party of one!
I don't consider other people's sexuality my business unless I'm interested in them, so it's a non-issue for me aside from a media frenzy/amusement standpoint.
IMO whenever folks start claiming to be "real Christians" and making claims about what is sinful & evil they've missed the main point of the Bible's stories and Jesus' teachings :roll:.
Log in your eye, party of one!
I don't consider other people's sexuality my business unless I'm interested in them, so it's a non-issue for me aside from a media frenzy/amusement standpoint.
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sussa
I've read all the books and never once wondered about Dumbledore, it just doesn't seem to matter at this point, as we all have been saying.
Several people in my church have read the books (some are veen pretty die hard fans!) and as a youth pastor's wife, I've wondered more than once if I should move the books from our very public, in plain view bookshelf in our living room, "just in case." Each time I wonder about it I don't do it and my husband agrees, there is no reason to put them away. The stories are well told and I imagine, when I have kids and they are a little older, they will probably read them. It's a personal choice and while I read the Bible and try as I might to follow after its teachings, in the grand scheme of things I think Harry Potter matters very little. Besides, people questioning why I read them could open up doors for deeper discussions, which is good.
Several people in my church have read the books (some are veen pretty die hard fans!) and as a youth pastor's wife, I've wondered more than once if I should move the books from our very public, in plain view bookshelf in our living room, "just in case." Each time I wonder about it I don't do it and my husband agrees, there is no reason to put them away. The stories are well told and I imagine, when I have kids and they are a little older, they will probably read them. It's a personal choice and while I read the Bible and try as I might to follow after its teachings, in the grand scheme of things I think Harry Potter matters very little. Besides, people questioning why I read them could open up doors for deeper discussions, which is good.
Beach Fanatic
Some see FICTION...some see TRUTH...all different perceptions have We.
Some LOVE gals...some LOVE guys...does LOVE care what sex we Be?
Some say MIRACLE...some say MAGIC...it all sounds DIVINE to Me. :roll:

Some LOVE gals...some LOVE guys...does LOVE care what sex we Be?

Some say MIRACLE...some say MAGIC...it all sounds DIVINE to Me. :roll:
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