Update on state dogfly program

I am going to miss the plane.......the flies are terrible when they are here. Wasn't the plane ancient/dangerous........? Did we lose the plane due to cuts in state funding? Can you update me on this?

Thank you................

Somebody's nuts as far as I'm concerned! That issue was buffaloed in, and decided much too quickly without having all pertinent information! I have decided to run for seat 2 of the SWMC board!

Somebody's nuts as far as I'm concerned! That issue was buffaloed in, and decided much too quickly without having all pertinent information! I have decided to run for seat 2 of the SWMC board!

I appreciate anybody throwing their hat in the ring to make things better in Walton County! Would you care to elaborate on "nuts", "buffaloed" and not having all the pertinent info? I asked the flyguy for more info...sounds like maybe you can help me with my questions. And, just to be absolutely fair....you are running against my brother and you are welcome to PM me with your response.

I'd hoped to fill the seat taken by Burke, but that will be decided by the Dept of Agriculture later. I have nothing against Mr. Crawford, I don't know him that well. The issue with the Dog fly plane apparently was brought up so quickly, that the state people didn't have opportunity to defend itself. The commissioners were apparently overwhelmed by a group of individuals who did show up who compared the spray to "Hitler's gas", and had no knowledge of life without the plane. My position is if there is something better, let's see it. Any substance used goes through rigorous testing and must be approved by the FDA. To remove this without replacing it with something better is foolish!

I'd hoped to fill the seat taken by Burke, but that will be decided by the Dept of Agriculture later. I have nothing against Mr. Crawford, I don't know him that well. The issue with the Dog fly plane apparently was brought up so quickly, that the state people didn't have opportunity to defend itself. The commissioners were apparently overwhelmed by a group of individuals who did show up who compared the spray to "Hitler's gas", and had no knowledge of life without the plane. My position is if there is something better, let's see it. Any substance used goes through rigorous testing and must be approved by the FDA. To remove this without replacing it with something better is foolish!

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Thank you FLoridaGirl....I appreciate your response. Your family, like mine, have been very civic minded for the community and I wish more people would be. Over dinner last night my mother made a comment that I thought you would appreciate. She knew your father and commended his community mindedness and said, and this is a quote, "he was a very good man." I hope you follow in his footsteps as I know you would be so proud to do....and I would be proud of you as well. Obviously, I am biased in this race, however, I do wish you well and the best of luck.

Thanks, he was, in my opinion, the best.

I'd hoped to fill the seat taken by Burke, but that will be decided by the Dept of Agriculture later. I have nothing against Mr. Crawford, I don't know him that well. The issue with the Dog fly plane apparently was brought up so quickly, that the state people didn't have opportunity to defend itself. The commissioners were apparently overwhelmed by a group of individuals who did show up who compared the spray to "Hitler's gas", and had no knowledge of life without the plane. My position is if there is something better, let's see it. Any substance used goes through rigorous testing and must be approved by the FDA. To remove this without replacing it with something better is foolish!

I have complete knowledge of life without a Dog Fly plane. I grew up on a farm with gnats, dog flies, Deer Flies, etc, and never once did a plane spray pesticides on me.

As for your statement about the FDA approving the pesticides (that is a chemical which is intended to kill insects), do you have any proof of that statement? I have searched the internet high and low, and cannot find any information stating the the FDA is responsible for testing Naled (Dibrom), and that they approved it. The FDA is in charge of food and drugs, not pesticides, so unless you are going to be selling the pesticide as food or drugs, the EPA would be doing the testing.

Joe
you are right,EPA did test & approve it for spraying and recently defended that decision with more testing i can try to look up the info.

Seagrove girl yes the plane frame was old 1943 but the engines were up to date rebuilts factory tested and the plane and engines were "Annually" Inspected under the same strict guidlines as most other commercial aircraft today. Also the chief pilot had well over 10 years experiance flying this particular aircraft at low altitudes even at night (for mosquitoes)The two main reasons the program was cut was budget shortfall and not enough support from other mosqiuto districts (including south walton). The #!*#& about the plane being old and unsafe was just an excuse to help close the program . those planes are still widely flown all over the united states and the world. heck thers new modern planes crashing all the time with mechanical failures. it's like the saying goes what plane goes up must come down it's just a matter of whether it's a controlled decent or not!!. Ill tell you this with a experianced pilot i would not be afraid to fly my whole family over the ocean on this plane.

dogflyguy, that is funny that mention the date on the plane, some friends of mine pointed out that the date of manufacture is on the door frame of any commercial plane. Check it out sometimes, might be shocked at how old some of those are.

I can remember South Walton before the Mosquito Control, and the Dog Fly Program. I never lived on a farm. I lived in Grayton Beach until I was 6, then we moved to the bay in Santa Rosa Beach, population about 350. There is no comparison between then and now. The jist of it is that it is foolish to compare the spray to Hitler's gas!

Did you find any documentation about the FDA approving Naled (Dibrom)? If you are running for the Board, perhaps you should get familiar with the poisons before gassing everyone with poisons. There are plenty of poisons already in our life. We certainly don't need blanket spraying.

I think your issue is more than just the dog fly plane, or the poisons used. I think fear is the problem. Fear of death, fear of the unknown. That cannot be eased by anything I would say, or anyone else, concerning the poisons used. It doesn't seem to make any difference what testing was done, and by whom.

My fear comes from problems created by people trying to control nature.

I'm a strong believer of good stewardship of our land. I've seen nature overtake man when allowed. Not pleasant. Dad taught me about balance of nature as a child.

I think your issue is more than just the dog fly plane, or the poisons used. I think fear is the problem. Fear of death, fear of the unknown. That cannot be eased by anything I would say, or anyone else, concerning the poisons used. It doesn't seem to make any difference what testing was done, and by whom.

Such arrogance! It really chaps my backside that people like you are in our governement. But I guess arrogance is what it takes to think you know best how to protect people with dangerous toxins. Shouldn't someone in control of poisons have some formal education in chemistry, biology, or environmental science?

I've read your previous posts about how ordinary folks who were here long before "the newcomers" have wisdom and learn from experience and know better than all them city-fied college edumucated tree huggers.

Here's what I fear - that anyone else running for the postion probably thinks the same way you do.

You have a right to think what you like, as well as I do. Why do you think it strange that someone disagrees with you, and actually says so? You speak your mind, why shouldn't I? What, I'm supposed to keep my mouth shut? You call it arrogance, I call it authority. I believe we are on the top of the food chain, due the "grey matter" between our ears that seperates us from animals. We have great responsibilty to manage our land, and I take that seriously.

Such arrogance! It really chaps my backside that people like you are in our governement. But I guess arrogance is what it takes to think you know best how to protect people with dangerous toxins. Shouldn't someone in control of poisons have some formal education in chemistry, biology, or environmental science?

I've read your previous posts about how ordinary folks who were here long before "the newcomers" have wisdom and learn from experience and know better than all them city-fied college edumucated tree huggers.

Here's what I fear - that anyone else running for the postion probably thinks the same way you do.

Definitely not!

You have a right to think what you like, as well as I do. Why do you think it strange that someone disagrees with you, and actually says so? You speak your mind, why shouldn't I? What, I'm supposed to keep my mouth shut? You call it arrogance, I call it authority. I believe we are on the top of the food chain, due the "grey matter" between our ears that seperates us from animals. We have great responsibilty to manage our land, and I take that seriously.

You may think that you have authority, but you have no authority. You don't gain authority by stating that you have it.

As for being at the top of the food chain, it sounds like you want to be, but the dog flies, mosquitos, deer flies, no-see-ums, are holding you back. Go into the wilderness of Montana, Alaska, or go swimming in the water around the Galapagos Islands and you will quickly discover that you were mistaken about being at the top of the food chain. If Man were at the top, he would have no need to kill tiny insects.

If you run for the Board, I will definitely be voting against you. How's that for speaking my mind? Do you still think that the FDA oversees the testing of pesticides (chemicals which have the primary purpose of killing)? You never did respond to that.

I never professed to be a politician, just concerned about my community. Whether you agree with me or not is your business. It is up to the voters as to what they want, and whatever they decide is fine with me. Yes, I have strong opinions, and I'm not afraid to speak them. I don't like to see people suffer because of some decision made by a board who isn't concerned enough to find all the information about the subject to make an informed decision.

Ge:1:28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Ge:1:28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

So your idea of dominion over critters is death to them?

No need to answer, it's clear that when you speak of authority, you don't get it from the people by way of election, you get it from GOD! That's not arrogant at all. :roll:

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No spraying this year and thus far I'm not suffering. Anybody else suffering?

There's an old saying, may as well tell the truth, people believe what they want to anyway! Seems irrelevant what I say, some individuals interpret it however they want. Whatever! You are bold enough to state your opinion; I have a right to do the same. I can't force you to agree; neither can you force me to agree. My wish is that you would at least get all the info before being rash, and unless you were either here before the Mosquito control was established, or know someone who was and actually believe their testimony, you don't have all the facts. I'm sure if you looked, you could find someone. It's a scary thought, that decisions involving the welfare of other people are made, or will be made, without knowing all the facts, or even a desire to know. That they don't care about the citizen's they are affecting, or causing to suffer.