After being personally bashed on SoWal for my political beliefs, I took a break, but I can no longer "let it go." When Barack Obama was elected, although I did not vote for him, I was willing to give him a chance. However, less than a week has passed since the election and there are disturbing signals from Obama and his team that this is going to be an interesting 4 years.
Below is a link where a member of Obama's team talks about the fact that he will be "ready to rule on day one." Add that to the fact that there is talk about a national holiday to honor him, and that he is planning to keep is campaign database handy (so he know who supported him ;-) ;-) so he can dole out pay-backs) and he is starting to sound more and more like a dictator.
I seriously thought that American Presidents GOVERNED, not ruled like a king. Silly me for misinterpreting the constitution--but that is all down the toilet anyway.
I've had my say and now let the personal bashing begin . . .
Don't forget the link:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner...0/obama-spokesman-says-obama-ready-rule-day-1
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SoWal Insider
newsbusters.org...is that like rueters, or upi...perhaps even ap?
SoWal Expert
I was looking forward to a respite now that the election was over, but that was apparently just a crazy dream. :roll:
Could we please just wait until he actually takes office before we start criticizing his presidency?
Could we please just wait until he actually takes office before we start criticizing his presidency?
Christini ZambiniAuthor
newsbusters.org...is that like rueters, or upi...perhaps even ap?
video link of NBC interview with Tom Brokaw on Meet the Press. If you don't like this source, you can find it somewhere else.
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Christini ZambiniAuthor
I was looking forward to a respite now that the election was over, but that was apparently just a crazy dream. :roll:
Could we please just wait until he actually takes office before we start criticizing his presidency?
No. He is the President-Elect therefore all his actions leading up to the actual inauguration are fair game. The team he has now is the same team he will have in the White House.
SoWal Insider
It hasn't even been a week yet.
Please don't get too upset because someone said rule instead of govern. He hasn't said this and he hasn't moved for a holiday. If he keeps his campaign database maybe it's to use the next time he runs a campaign. I'm a saver, it doesn't have to be bad that he saves it. If he destroyed it someone would be complaining that he was hiding something.
Maybe we can wait a bit and not judge him until he gives us something to judge. I'm sure there will be something, he's human, he'll make a mistake.
Please don't get too upset because someone said rule instead of govern. He hasn't said this and he hasn't moved for a holiday. If he keeps his campaign database maybe it's to use the next time he runs a campaign. I'm a saver, it doesn't have to be bad that he saves it. If he destroyed it someone would be complaining that he was hiding something.
Maybe we can wait a bit and not judge him until he gives us something to judge. I'm sure there will be something, he's human, he'll make a mistake.
Beach Fanatic
I was looking forward to a respite now that the election was over, but that was apparently just a crazy dream. :roll:
Could we please just wait until he actually takes office before we start criticizing his presidency?
If he'll wait until he takes office to start his presidency....
Beach Fanatic
After being personally bashed on SoWal for my political beliefs, I took a break, but I can no longer "let it go." When Barack Obama was elected, although I did not vote for him, I was willing to give him a chance. However, less than a week has passed since the election and there are disturbing signals from Obama and his team that this is going to be an interesting 4 years.
Below is a link where a member of Obama's team talks about the fact that he will be "ready to rule on day one." Add that to the fact that there is talk about a national holiday to honor him, and that he is planning to keep is campaign database handy (so he know who supported him ;-) ;-) so he can dole out pay-backs) and he is starting to sound more and more like a dictator.
I seriously thought that American Presidents GOVERNED, not ruled like a king. Silly me for misinterpreting the constitution--but that is all down the toilet anyway.
I've had my say and now let the personal bashing begin . . .
Don't forget the link:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner...0/obama-spokesman-says-obama-ready-rule-day-1
Welcome back. Sorry you feel like you were personally bashed. It is my hope that you see my posts that disagree with yours as debate and the exchange of ideas rather than attacks. So here goes-
IMHO, if someone is really giving President Obama a chance then they wouldn't find it distrurbing that his transition team and advisors are working so hard to ensure President Obama is ready to go on day one even if they used the words, "ready to rule". I really believe your bias/filters is making you hear Jarrett's statement differently than it was intended...
You said there is talk of a national holiday to honor him. I did not find mention of this in the blog you posted so I googled. Here is a link-
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=80584
There is apparently a small "civil rights" group in Kansas who wants to meet a their local McDonald's every week to start a movement to make November 4th a national holiday to commemorate the election. CCK, don't let information like this jade you. Just because a dozen or so people think this is a good idea should not negate the fact that the rest of us (dems and repubs) believe talk of a national holiday to honor Obama is premature by a quarter to a half a century- and that's assuming he even goes on to do great things as president. It would be no different if McCain or Hillary won and a group of Palin or Hillary supporters prematurely wanted to make a national holiday commemorating their achievements. In such a case, folks who didn't vote for them would be way off in using the enthusiasm of a few people as the basis of withholding support or at least giving them a true chance. One last note- There is also talk of a national holiday for Obama in Kenya. This makes sense to me and seems appropriate...
Finally, regarding your last point on Obama keeping the database of his supporters. You find this to be disturbing? Are you kidding? Obama would be a fool if he didn't hang on to his donor list (as would any other politican on either side of the aisle). This is to help him in 2012 but much can be done before then with respect to getting people involved and keeping them informed. I cannot imagine dems after an election (if/when repubs won) viewing the idea that the repubs want to keep their database as anything out of the ordinary (or negative)...
You said after he was elected that you decided to give President Obama a chance. It does not appear to be so to this nonattacker...
EDIT: One last thing- you should really consider alternative news/information sources. Watch The Factor (Fox News) and AC360 (CNN). Listen to NPR on the way to work and Rush on the way home. Find an over the top biased opinon blog that supports Obama and mistrusts the GOP to balance the one you posted here.
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SoWal Insider
He's keeping his campaign database so he knows who to garner support from when he declares Sharia Law. 
Actually, the maintaining of the database is to keep the public informed on issues and also maintain the grass roots efforts he hopes to continue and implement, like Volunteers Corp. Similar to FDR's fireside radio chats, (which people loved so much) except now via technology.
Actually, the maintaining of the database is to keep the public informed on issues and also maintain the grass roots efforts he hopes to continue and implement, like Volunteers Corp. Similar to FDR's fireside radio chats, (which people loved so much) except now via technology.
SoWal Expert
The Constitution was thrown out the door a while back, with the UNpatriot Act. No new news here.
Just wait until Obama has to herd the 500+ members of Congress. It will be like herding cats.
Just wait until Obama has to herd the 500+ members of Congress. It will be like herding cats.
SoWal Insider
If he'll wait until he takes office to start his presidency....
No matter who was president elect I would hope they used this tranisition time to be ready for office. I think he should be setting up his cabinet and getting ready before the inaugauration. With the issues in front, of him why not use this time to prepare instead of waiting until after Bush leaves? I would expect McCain to do that as well. I would hope so anyway.
He made it clear there is "only one president at a time and its not him". Would it be better for him to kick back and do nothing until January and figure it all out then?
Beach Fanatic
There is also talk of a national holiday for Obama in Kenya. This makes sense to me and seems appropriate...
Obama is Kenyan? I thought he was Hawaiian. Or Indonesian. Or, hmmmm.
Anyway, I'm certainly not going to stand in the way of a Kenyan celebration...
Christini ZambiniAuthor
EDIT: One last thing- you should really consider alternative news/information sources.
Geo, I'm very well read in a very wide variety of sources and your condescending remark while not appreciated, was expected.
SoWal Expert
Obama is a mutt, like you find at the pound. At least that is what he told the press regarding their search for a new dog. So, in Hawaii, Obama would be a poi dog, which might include Hawaiian, Kenyan, Indonesian, etc.
SoWal Insider
Thank you Geo, especially for posting the Kansas civil rights group information. Your summary reflects the way I have read things as well. Weekly meetings at a McDonald's in Topeka does not a national movement make.
But it is interesting that others can have such a completely different take -- and I'm not saying it's wrong, really, since a significant number of people see it that way as well.
I agree that we all should be reading a wide variety of viewpoints and look at each of our sources with a jaundiced eye. We all certainly have our favorites and comfort zones, but I always find it helpful to read something new, and not dismiss it because of perceptions of its validity.
I can understand why the word "rule" would rub people the wrong way, but I don't believe it was meant that way. I'm not worried. Not yet, anyway.
YouTube - Bush Dictator
But it is interesting that others can have such a completely different take -- and I'm not saying it's wrong, really, since a significant number of people see it that way as well.
I agree that we all should be reading a wide variety of viewpoints and look at each of our sources with a jaundiced eye. We all certainly have our favorites and comfort zones, but I always find it helpful to read something new, and not dismiss it because of perceptions of its validity.
I can understand why the word "rule" would rub people the wrong way, but I don't believe it was meant that way. I'm not worried. Not yet, anyway.
YouTube - Bush Dictator
SoWal Insider
Anyway, I'm certainly not going to stand in the way of a Kenyan celebration...
Me either...rock on Kenya!
Christini ZambiniAuthor
Obama is a mutt, like you find at the pound. At least that is what he told the press regarding their search for a new dog. So, in Hawaii, Obama would be a poi dog, which might include Hawaiian, Kenyan, Indonesian, etc.
But I thought he was our first African-American President.
Beach Fanatic
Geo, I'm very well read in a very wide variety of sources and your condescending remark while not appreciated, was expected.
CCK, my remark was written without an ounce of intended or implied condescension. I went back and edited my edit once again- without the intention of attacking or being condescending.
I have a feeling that if you expect what I write to be an attack (or condescending) that you end up with your own self fulfilling prophecy.
So how's about you give me (and others who disagree with you) the benefit of the doubt before you read our words and then they might seem more like they were intended-
without malice, without attack, without condescension
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Beach Fanatic
The Constitution was thrown out the door a while back, with the UNpatriot Act. No new news here.
Just wait until Obama has to herd the 500+ members of Congress. It will be like herding cats.[/quote]
YEAH!!! Another opportunity for a fat cat roundup!! Mount Up!!
This calls for a replay (in NoHall's honor):
http://www.sowal.com/bb/showthread.php?p=340117&highlight=herding+cats#post340117
Beach Fanatic
But I thought he was our first African-American President.
You thought right...
Beach Fanatic
Obama is Kenyan? I thought he was Hawaiian. Or Indonesian. Or, hmmmm.
Anyway, I'm certainly not going to stand in the way of a Kenyan celebration...
His father is from Africa- the continent, not the country...
Christini ZambiniAuthor
CCK, my remark was written without an ounce of intended or implied condescension. I went back and edited my edit once again- without the intention of attacking or being condescending.
I have a feeling that if you expect what I write to be an attack (or condescending) that you end up with your own self fulfilling prophecy.
So how's about you give me (and others who disagree with you) the benefit of the doubt before you read our words and then they might seem more like they were intended-
without malice, without attack, without condescension
"One last thing- you should really consider alternative news/information sources." I will gladly give you the benefit of the doubt, if you will give me the same. Instead of assuming that I use only one-sided sources for my information, I would appreciate it if you would respect me and my opinions by understanding that those with conservatives views do look at issues from every side by using a wide variety of sources. I gather information and then make a determination on issues based on what I think is right. To encourage me to use alternative news, assumes that I do not, and by saying that, you are being condescending by implying that your views are more enlightened and informed than mine because you use those sources.
SWGB
"One last thing- you should really consider alternative news/information sources." I will gladly give you the benefit of the doubt, if you will give me the same. Instead of assuming that I use only one-sided sources for my information, I would appreciate it if you would respect me and my opinions by understanding that those with conservatives views do look at issues from every side by using a wide variety of sources. I gather information and then make a determination on issues based on what I think is right. To encourage me to use alternative news, assumes that I do not, and by saying that, you are being condescending by implying that your views are more enlightened and informed than mine because you use those sources.
Warning: The following comment is not meant to be condescending, trite, or rude, however without tone of voice it could appear that way. It is meant as an honest and purely thought provoking comment.
I'm honestly curious what other sources you use?
Beach Fanatic
"One last thing- you should really consider alternative news/information sources." I will gladly give you the benefit of the doubt, if you will give me the same. Instead of assuming that I use only one-sided sources for my information, I would appreciate it if you would respect me and my opinions by understanding that those with conservatives views do look at issues from every side by using a wide variety of sources. I gather information and then make a determination on issues based on what I think is right. To encourage me to use alternative news, assumes that I do not, and by saying that, you are being condescending by implying that your views are more enlightened and informed than mine because you use those sources.
You quoted me before my last edit. Here is what I said since then-
One last thing- you should really consider alternative news/information sources. Watch The Factor (Fox News) and AC360 (CNN). Listen to NPR on the way to work and Rush on the way home. Find an over the top biased opinon blog that supports Obama and mistrusts the GOP to balance the one you posted here.
Perhaps I would not have made any assumptions if you would have posted a link to the Meet the Press interview so we could see/hear Valerie use the word "rule" and judge for ourselves.
I go out of my way to be fair, CCK. Here is an example to prove this to you-
If it was 2000 and a dem advanced the thesis that they wanted to give GW a chance but they "can't take it anymore" because of all of the following disturbing signs that he is starting to sound like a dictator:
- One of Bush's advisors called him the decider or said he was going to be ready to rule
- A dozen hard core supporters in Texas wanted to prematurely have a national holiday in his name
- His campaign thought it was a good idea to hang onto their donor list
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Christini ZambiniAuthor
Perhaps I would not have made any assumptions if you would have posted a link to the Meet the Press interview so we could see/hear Valerie use the word "rule" and judge for ourselves.
My first post does have a link.
Beach Fanatic
My first post does have a link.
Yes. And I referred to it (by comparison) in my post...
If it was 2000 and a dem advanced the thesis that they wanted to give GW a chance but they "can't take it anymore" because of all of the following disturbing signs:
I would tell them the same thing I told you about Obama- that their filters are not allowing them to truly give GW a chance. Furthermore, if they embedded a link to a far left biased blog that draws kooky conclusions I would suggest to them that they consider alternative news and info sources...
- One of Bush's advisors called him the decider or said he was going to be ready to rule
- A dozen hard core supporters in Texas wanted to prematurely have a national holiday in his name
- His campaign thought it was a good idea to hang onto their donor list
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