Anyone been following the story about the Harvard Professor who was arrested?
Short of it is that he lives in a prominent neighborhood in Cambridge, Mass and had just returned home from a trip from China. The front door was jammed so he went through the backdoor and then with the help of his driver was able to force the stuck front door open. Apparently, a neighbor saw all of this activity and informed the police about a possible break in.
Cops came and asked the professor for his id and to come outside for questioning. Allegedly, the prof didn't want to comply and asked the officer for his id and badge number. The prof eventually came outside and presented the id but then accused the officer of racism (the prof is African American). He felt that he was guilty of being "black in America" and that the officer had no business asking him for his id in his own house when he had done nothing wrong. Apparently, the conversation got out of hand and the cop arrested the professor for disorderly conduct. Since then the charges have been dropped and the mayor of Cambridge apologized.
Interestingly enough, the POTUS weigh in on it today.
Obama: Police who arrested professor 'acted stupidly' - CNN.com
Geo
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244LindaLindaBeach Fanatic806 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
This is all true, but just being cooperative with the police would have been a better way for the professor to diffuse the situation. After hearing the cop's first radio interview, it seems he (the cop) acted pretty correctly. He was called to the site, under suspicion that a crime was being committed, and he was simply trying to find out the facts. He asked the professor if any other people were in the house, and the prof. got belligerent. There could have been any number of situations (domestic violence, hostage) brewing. The cop asked him to come out in order to secure the scene and protect himself. I think Obama used wrong language to call the cop stupid.
I would hope that President Obama would issue a public apology to the cops. The real story here is that President Obama would comment publicly on a situation in which he admittedly did not have all the facts.
Mango
MangoSoWal InsiderNew York/ Santa Rosa Beach9,699 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
How and why would anyone live in a neighborhood and not know who the hail their neighbors are? Anyway, sounds like the Professor was fluffing his wings, If called, a police officer is just doing his job by asking for ID. Not unreasonable. It wasn't like he pulled a gun on the man.
One time, when I was away on vacation, my sister set off my alarm. She couldn't remember the password when alarm central called. She didn't hear the police bust in my back door. They held her until a neighbor came over who verified who she was and gave them the password. She cooperated and everything was pleasant, but she didn't get all pissant about law enforcement doing their job. The only time I would comply with an officer's request is if it sounded totally unreasonable, like a time I was pulled over for a headlight out and he asked me to step out of the car on a dark highway. Drove out their like a bat out of hell and went to my closest PD. :blink:
Why use the word stupid without "knowing" the person? Sounds pretty "stupid" to me. Matter of fact, I would never call anyone stupid. We are not even allowed to use that term in my own family with each other.
One time, when I was away on vacation, my sister set off my alarm. She couldn't remember the password when alarm central called. She didn't hear the police bust in my back door. They held her until a neighbor came over who verified who she was and gave them the password. She cooperated and everything was pleasant, but she didn't get all pissant about law enforcement doing their job. The only time I would comply with an officer's request is if it sounded totally unreasonable, like a time I was pulled over for a headlight out and he asked me to step out of the car on a dark highway. Drove out their like a bat out of hell and went to my closest PD. :blink:
Why use the word stupid without "knowing" the person? Sounds pretty "stupid" to me. Matter of fact, I would never call anyone stupid. We are not even allowed to use that term in my own family with each other.
LuciferSam
LuciferSamBannedSowal4,749 postsJoined View profileMessageBanned
The officer was there on a breaking and entering call and it all started on the porch, where the officer asked him to provide id, thats when he went inside and starting yelling...you cant just walk away from a cop trying to investigate a crime, especially if your the suspect..... he tried to get him to come outside several times before he actually did.
I'm not absolutely certain of the law, but I don't think that's correct. I do know that a man under arrest has the right to remain silent, so I'm almost certain that a person of interest has the right to refuse to answer questions. The Law is the law.
RudyjohnRudyjohnSoWal InsiderChicago Area7,736 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
How and why would anyone live in a neighborhood and not know who the hail their neighbors are? Anyway, sounds like the Professor was fluffing his wings, If called, a police officer is just doing his job by asking for ID. Not unreasonable. It wasn't like he pulled a gun on the man.
I was just about to say the same thing! :idontno:
efarriorefarriorBeach Comber36 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Comber
I'm not absolutely certain of the law, but I don't think that's correct. I do know that a man under arrest has the right to remain silent, so I'm almost certain that a person of interest has the right to refuse to answer questions. The Law is the law.
yes, the law is the law, but he wasnt under arrest yet, once your arrested you have the right to remain silent, but the cop was trying to figure out what was going on by asking questions... if he really wanted to be an ass he could have charged him with obstruction, or some other handy charges cops have available when they get in a situation like that.... now, he probably wouldnt get convicted, but he could still get arrested... dont get me wrong, im not a cop or an attorney, but seems like you would have to answer the questions if you were the suspect or simply tell the cop to arrest you and call your attorney... :idontno:
LuciferSam
LuciferSamBannedSowal4,749 postsJoined View profileMessageBanned
This is all true, but just being cooperative with the police would have been a better way for the professor to diffuse the situation. After hearing the cop's first radio interview, it seems he (the cop) acted pretty correctly. He was called to the site, under suspicion that a crime was being committed, and he was simply trying to find out the facts. He asked the professor if any other people were in the house, and the prof. got belligerent. There could have been any number of situations (domestic violence, hostage) brewing. The cop asked him to come out in order to secure the scene and protect himself. I think Obama used wrong language to call the cop stupid.
I think both parties could have dealt with it differently. I don't think an arrest was in order. I also know that if I'm at home and a cop comes to my door asking me to prove that I live there or show ID, my first reaction is to be offended and pissed. This is especially true when there is no evidence of burglary, just a statement by a neighbor.
efarriorefarriorBeach Comber36 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Comber
I think both parties could have dealt with it differently. I don't think an arrest was in order. I also know that if I'm at home and a cop comes to my door asking me to prove that I live there or show ID, my first reaction is to be offended and pissed. This is especially true when there is no evidence of burglary, just a statement by a neighbor.
True, but there was evidence of burglary and they were there on a felony call... I think the professor got arrested because he showed out enough to piss the cop off, which in itself isnt illegal( i hope, ive pissed a few off). you know thinkin about it, you cant just drive off when you get pulled over, so how could he justify walkin away while the cops there investigating a felony report? both parties could have dealt with it differently, but the cop wasnt in the wrong here imo....
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LuciferSam
LuciferSamBannedSowal4,749 postsJoined View profileMessageBanned
yes, the law is the law, but he wasnt under arrest yet, once your arrested you have the right to remain silent, but the cop was trying to figure out what was going on by asking questions... if he really wanted to be an ass he could have charged him with obstruction, or some other handy charges cops have available when they get in a situation like that.... now, he probably wouldnt get convicted, but he could still get arrested... dont get me wrong, im not a cop or an attorney, but seems like you would have to answer the questions if you were the suspect or simply tell the cop to arrest you and call your attorney... :idontno:
I don't believe that's correct. As far as I know a person does not have to respond to police questioning, otherwise police could simply walk up to the odd man on the street and start asking him questions. Would you want to live in such a society? I know I wouldn't. Would you want to live in a neighbor hood where police regularly knock on your door to check up on things? I know I wouldn't.....
Minnie
MinnieBeach FanaticMemphis4,328 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Fanatic
I wonder how quickly the officers will respond next time if there is truly a breakin' at this residence.
I am afraid the professor was not acting in his best interest.
I am afraid the professor was not acting in his best interest.
Lake View Too
Lake View TooSoWal InsiderEastern Lake7,000 postsJoined View profileMessageSoWal Insider
I'll go out a limb and not only say that the cop seemed to be (mostly) in the right, but that the professor was out of line for screaming rascism. This was a case of two guys over-reacting (the cop trying to secure a potential crime scene and protect himself) and I don't think it had anything to do with race. My call is Obama might need to apologize for his statement and they all have a group hug. ;-)
LuciferSam
LuciferSamBannedSowal4,749 postsJoined View profileMessageBanned
True, but there was evidence of burglary and they were there on a felony call... I think the professor got arrested because he showed out enough to piss the cop off, which in itself isnt illegal( i hope, ive pissed a few off). you know thinkin about it, you cant just drive off when you get pulled over, so how could he justify walkin away while the cops there investigating a felony report? both parties could have dealt with it differently, but the cop wasnt in the wrong here imo....
I'm not sure if there is enough evidence to consider the man a suspect. After all houses do have residents, even ones that have been burglarized.
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efarriorefarriorBeach Comber36 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Comber
I don't believe that's correct. As far as I know a person does not have to respond to police questioning, otherwise police could simply walk up to the odd man on the street and start asking him questions. Would you want to live in such a society? I know I wouldn't. Would you want to live in a neighbor hood where police regularly knock on your door to check up on things? I know I wouldn't.....
There is a big difference between being a suspect on the scene of a reported burglary and a cop coming up to me on the street asking questions....dont you think?? if a cop came up to me for no reason, he could piss off, but if he had a good reason, why not talk to him(especially if your innocent)... like i said, im no cop and you obviously arent either, so in the immortal words of Ron Burgandy, lets agree to disagree...:lol:
ps- I wouldnt like to get grilled cops, as I am not a huge fan of alot of them.
efarriorefarriorBeach Comber36 postsJoined View profileMessageBeach Comber
I'm not sure if there is enough evidence to consider the man a suspect. After all houses do have residents, even ones that have been burglarized.
Dude- if someone calls the cops and says that 2 purple guys are breaking into a bank and you are at that bank, on the front porch, with a damaged door and you happen to be purple, the cop is going to consider you a suspect... period, there was probable cause for them to be suspects...if he would have cooperated, like he should have, the cops would have realized that this is his house, cased closed, etc....
poppypoppyBannedMiramar Beach2,854 postsJoined View profileMessageBanned
Liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal! How dare that liberal dare to be liberal and liberate America into a more liberal status!
I dunno, I think if I had just gotten off a 14 hour flight, plus all the driving to and fro, and couldn't get into my house because the #@$% door got stuck, and all I wanted was a cool drink and warm bed, and finally got in MY house, only to be stopped by a police officer, I would be testy. I would probably vocalize my displeasure, as this man did, and still dig out my identification, as this man did. If that officer then arrested me, on my front lawn, for being annoyed and vocalizing my annoyance, ON MY FRONT LAWN, it would be stupid. Add the race issue into it, and it is monumentally stupid. The officer should have thanked him, apologized for the misunderstanding, and left. I'm glad Obama has the cajones to say it like it is.
And for the uninformed, here are some of Obama's praises for America. Funny how some think the guy would actually spend so much time and effort working to be elected President of a country he apparently hates.
[SIZE=-1]In reaffirming the greatness of our nation we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. Our journey has never been one of short-cuts or settling for less. It has not been the path for the faint-hearted, for those that prefer leisure over work, or seek only the pleasures of riches and fame. Rather, it has been the risk-takers, the doers, the makers of things -- some celebrated, but more often men and women obscure in their labor -- who have carried us up the long rugged path towards prosperity and freedom.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]BARACK OBAMA, Inaugural Address, Jan. 20. 2009[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The true test of the American ideal is whether we?re able to recognize our failings and then rise together to meet the challenges of our time. Whether we allow ourselves to be shaped by events and history, or whether we act to shape them. Whether chance of birth or circumstance decides life?s big winners and losers, or whether we build a community where, at the very least, everyone has a chance to work hard, get ahead, and reach their dreams.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]BARACK OBAMA, speech, Jun. 4, 2005[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Hope is what led a band of colonists to rise up against an empire; what led the greatest of generations to free a continent and heal a nation; what led young women and young men to sit at lunch counters and brave fire hoses and march through Selma and Montgomery for freedom's cause. Hope is what led me here today--with a father from Kenya, a mother from Kansas; and a story that could only happen in the United States of America. Hope is the bedrock of this nation; the belief that our destiny will not be written for us, but by us; by all those men and women who are not content to settle for the world as it is; who have courage to remake the world as it should be.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]BARACK OBAMA, speech, Jan. 3, 2008[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]America is a land of big dreamers and big hopes. It is this hope that has sustained us through revolution and civil war, depression and world war, a struggle for civil and social rights and the brink of nuclear crisis. And it is because our dreamers dreamed that we have emerged from each challenge more united, more prosperous, and more admired than before.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]BARACK OBAMA, speech, Jun. 4, 2005[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]I have studied the Constitution as a student; I have taught it as a teacher; I have been bound by it as a lawyer and legislator. I took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution as Commander-in-Chief, and as a citizen, I know that we must never ? ever ? turn our back on its enduring principles for expedience sake. I make this claim not simply as a matter of idealism. We uphold our most cherished values not only because doing so is right, but because it strengthens our country and keeps us safe. Time and again, our values have been our best national security asset ? in war and peace; in times of ease and in eras of upheaval. Fidelity to our values is the reason why the United States of America grew from a small string of colonies under the writ of an empire to the strongest nation in the world. It is the reason why enemy soldiers have surrendered to us in battle, knowing they?d receive better treatment from America?s armed forces than from their own government. It is the reason why America has benefited from strong alliances that amplified our power, and drawn a sharp and moral contrast with our adversaries. It is the reason why we?ve been able to overpower the iron fist of fascism, outlast the iron curtain of communism, and enlist free nations and free people everywhere in common cause and common effort. From Europe to the Pacific, we have been a nation that has shut down torture chambers and replaced tyranny with the rule of law. That is who we are. And where terrorists offer only the injustice of disorder and destruction, America must demonstrate that our values and institutions are more resilient than a hateful ideology.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]BARACK OBAMA, speech, May 21, 2009[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Clearly, he's just another LIBERAL who hates Americans and America. :roll:[/SIZE]
Just a bunch of Liberal left wing zombie kool-aid drinking Olby loving propaganda and misinformation.😀
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