Fox News isn't a news organization..

Oh sure they do. You are trying to say that Roger Ailes is not a master political manipulator? It's about appeal, not the content.

Make no mistake, overall they're not much worse than anyone, and I do catch Shep from time to time, but sadly, the days of straightforward, fair and trusted news and analysis died long before Cronkite actually did.

But again, this is not a battle Obama needs to be fighting, it is laughable, in fact.

No more a manipulator than Les Moonves(sp?)....

I thought Tim Russert, a liberal, was as straightforward as they came...I miss him.

Did I just say that????

I agree with TFT and others, this wasn't supposed to be a discussion about Fox's opinion shows - they have good shows that lean right, MSNBC has good opinions shows that lean left, CNN has some interesting opinion shows and segments, heck even HBO has a good opinion show in Maer. It's about the fact that the currently administration is blacklisting an entire news network because they present critical reporting. I think it'll backfire on them, and really, they should be above such sillyness.

given the multitude of simultaneous problems the current administration is attempting to handle, i do not blame them in not wanting to respond to any queries from fox news. it's a waste of their time, and far from any silliness.

ratings?

Well...look them up yourself...You seem to be proficient at using Google...They have the 13 top rated cable news shows...

I agree with TFT and others, this wasn't supposed to be a discussion about Fox's opinion shows - they have good shows that lean right, MSNBC has good opinions shows that lean left, CNN has some interesting opinion shows and segments, heck even HBO has a good opinion show in Maer. It's about the fact that the currently administration is blacklisting an entire news network because they present critical reporting. I think it'll backfire on them, and really, they should be above such sillyness.

I agree, but even a simple, small town reporter knows that if you manufacture, or misquote a public official or private citizen, they will probably not agree to speak with you again and quite honestly, why would they? If I twisted or made up something in an article, they would have a right to be upset.
There is a code of ethics that used to be present in American journalism. The Fox model, which others soon followed, was based on Australian journalism, which in my research is anything but "Fair and Balanced," never-mind if you have to tell people that you are "Fair and Balanced" you are probably not.

And before anyone's heads explode and they attack me, I don't watch TV, I don't have cable, and I don't belong to either party, so bite me.

No more a manipulator than Les Moonves(sp?)....

I thought Tim Russert, a liberal, was as straightforward as they came...I miss him.

Did I just say that????

I'm not much of a fan of Les either. But I loved Russert and Peter Jennings, rest their souls.

Fox would be much more credible to more people if they had a persona with gravitas like either of the above that was the main representation of their network. Instead they have Murdoch doing TV interviews calling the president's policies "dangerous." That's one way to get attention but there's no gravitas there.

I'm not much of a fan of Les either. But I loved Russert and Peter Jennings, rest their souls.

Fox would be much more credible to more people if they had a persona with gravitas like either of the above that was the main representation of their network. Instead they have Murdoch doing TV interviews calling the president's policies "dangerous." That's one way to get attention but there's no gravitas there.

I think it's more that some people like to use Hannity or Beck or O'reilly as the face of Fox News....Not so much Murdoch....jmo

I think it's more that some people like to use Hannity or Beck or O'reilly as the face of Fox News....Not so much Murdoch....jmo

Yeah well, like those are better choices.

On a regular basis, Anderson Cooper is the only one I watch. I find him easy to take. I suspect if Obama accused him of bias against the administration he would do a special where he interviewed lots of people to get their opinions about whether he was biased or not and would fail to raise his voice while doing so.

what a foolish debate. of course they are a real news org. this is part of a large smear campaign and many are taking the bait. and than you have people who hate fox because they're told too by the bomb throwers themselves using slogans like "fox noise" and "faux news"-childish. and those people dont even or never have watched fox. the top 13 news programs are fnc. thats not by accident so ill stick with the majority. there will no doubt be a time where this is laughed upon

If you stuck with the majority you would be an Obama supporter...

I agree, but even a simple, small town reporter knows that is you manufacture, or misquote a public official or private citizen, they will probably not agree to speak with you again and quite honestly, why would they? If I twisted or made up something in an article, they would have a right to be upset.
There is a code of ethics that used to be present in American journalism. The Fox model, which others soon followed, was based on Australian journalism, which in my research is anything but "Fair and Balanced," never-mind if you have to tell people that you are "Fair and Balanced" you are probably not.

And before anyone's heads explode and they attack me, I don't watch TV, I don't have cable, and I don't belong to either party, so bite me.

That post says all I need to know about you....

That post says all I need to know about you....

and your response said all I needed to know about you....

If you stuck with the majority you would be an Obama supporter...

Checkthe latest Rasmussen ......not so much the majority anymore...

and your response said all I needed to know about you....

BS...You knew that way before that post....

From the HUFFINGTON POST..

Fox News Dominates 3Q 2009 Cable News Ratings

BS...You knew that way before that post....

Ummmmm.......no............... I don't think others are a singularity of one view or side. Most are multifaceted and instead of just disagreeing, you made it personal. But I figured someone would, hench the way I finished my post. I've seen posters that have surprised me and I don't follow them or commit their post to memory. So you are not correct to call BS on anyone

Checkthe latest Rasmussen ......not so much the majority anymore...

Are there any polls that say that a majority supports someone else for president?

But regardless, my statement was tongue in cheek. I think it is silly to do anything because a majority is...

Are there any polls that say that a majority supports someone else for president?

But regardless, my statement was tongue in cheek. I think it is silly to do anything because a majority is...

I knew that....tongue and cheek's are usually followed with

PEACE Geo...

Well...look them up yourself...You seem to be proficient at using Google...They have the 13 top rated cable news shows...

what does that have to do with any link to journalistic integrity? ratings, in the case of fox news, means they have the nicest rides at the carnival.

Poor Vanna White; if she had started in the spokesmodel business 20 years later, she would be co-anchor of Fox News now.

what does that have to do with any link to journalistic integrity? ratings, in the case of fox news, means they have the nicest rides at the carnival.

Good lordy, can someone tell her she forgot her skirt..........

speaking of carnival....

Yeah that figures....At least they know the difference between Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson

Contessa Brewer Calls Jesse Jackson Al Sharpton (VIDEO)

Yeah that figures....At least they know the difference between Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson

Contessa Brewer Calls Jesse Jackson Al Sharpton (VIDEO)

I agree.....................that's just called poor preparation on the reporters behalf!

So the media outlet that has been publicly chastised by the White House for their behavior, untruths and sensationalism WASN'T invited to a special briefing session w/ the President?

Gee, wonder why?

I call BS on the whole Fox is not news...

I'll give you Hannity, Beck and even O'Reilly....They are OPINION shows in the same light as Olberman, Maddow, Mathews,

The rest is news.....Like them or not...the ratings don't lie

But only if the opinions expressed absolutely lines up with the current Republican talking points. It is like SOOOOOOOOOOO obvious. Yes, and I do watch FOX NEWS.

given the multitude of simultaneous problems the current administration is attempting to handle, i do not blame them in not wanting to respond to any queries from fox news. it's a waste of their time, and far from any silliness.

They didn't seem to have any problems carving out three hours of face time with the president for Maddow and Olberman.