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On Monday, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow were among several people who attended an off-the-record briefing with Pres. Obama at the White House. Sources tell us other attendees at the two-and-a-half hour chat included Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post, Maureen Dowd of the New York Times, Gwen Ifill of PBS and Gloria Borger of CNN. Perhaps not surprisingly, no one from Fox News was in the room.

This fact quickly turned into ammunition for the folks at FOX. Last night on "Special Report," Bret Baier revealed the information pointing out that opinion hosts from one channel were being invited to a briefing with the Commander-in-Chief, all the while Fox was declared not a news organization.

Maddow/Olbermann Invited to White House Chat with Obama, But Fox Isn't a News Organization? - mediabistro.com: TVNewser

While Maddow and Olberman get front row seats and face time in the White House.

When Obama's term started out, I was really hoping things would change, but really nothing has. In fact I'd argue it's become far worse - the divide continues to widen. What happened to all those promises of transparency? Now we have the White House selectively blacklisting one of the three major cable news networks. I'd be laughing if this wasn't so, incredibly, sad.

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scooterbug44 avatar
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#77
Reality Check:

Have they banned Fox reporters from press briefings or covering the White House?

Have they stopped sending press releases to Fox?

Have they previously invited journalists from Fox to similar meetings?

Have they done anything that hampers Fox's ability to broadcast or report the news?

It's all whining for ratings/attention and it's exactly this kind of crap that makes me not respect or watch them.

If Fox was REALLY so dedicated and devoted to the truth, there were 80 other more important things they could have been reporting on.
Winnie avatar
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#78
and point being, this is nothing new under the sun for either administration. I just think many had hoped it would have stopped with the last, but it is not unheard of, was my only point.

It is new for an administration to call a news organization illegitimate and announce it will be treated as an opponent. Nothing wrong with ignoring them, but playground skirmishing is beneath the office.
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#79
Reality Check:

Have they banned Fox reporters from press briefings or covering the White House?

Have they stopped sending press releases to Fox?

Have they previously invited journalists from Fox to similar meetings?

Have they done anything that hampers Fox's ability to broadcast or report the news?

It's all whining for ratings/attention and it's exactly this kind of crap that makes me not respect or watch them.

If Fox was REALLY so dedicated and devoted to the truth, there were 80 other more important things they could have been reporting on.

Nope...they can't

Nope...not yet

Don't know...probably

Nope...they're still #1

It's not whining when you're being singled out....

They covered balloon boy as much as any news channel did...:biggrin:
Alicia Leonard avatar
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#80
It is new for an administration to call a news organization illegitimate and announce it will be treated as an opponent. Nothing wrong with ignoring them, but playground skirmishing is beneath the office.

Bush did with MSNBC and put pressure on NBC over it. Google the source of your choice.

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LuciferSam avatar
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#81
I am pointing out that 46% of us did not vote for President Obama. Your candidate won and is OUR President. We didn't resign our citizenships. We still deserve consideration and representation from the administration.

Since you recognize the overwhelming media bias in favor of candidate Obama, I wasn't referring to you as one of the liberals on SoWal who don't recognize it. :wave:

Just realize that I don't think every single positive remark made about Obama necessarily works in my favor. All administrations need criticism along the way.
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#82
Bush did with MSNBC and put pressure on NBC over it. Google the source of your choice.

I don't find any source for the Bush administration calling MSNBC illegitimate nor saying they would treat it as an opponent. I tried Google. If they made this as a public declaration, I should find it, no? Maybe he did it privately?
Winnie avatar
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#83
Just realize that I don't think every single positive remark made about Obama necessarily works in my favor. All administrations need criticism along the way.

Absolutely!

And more than one party in power.
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#84
I don't find any source for the Bush administration calling MSNBC illegitimate nor saying they would treat it as an opponent. I tried Google. If they made this as a public declaration, I should find it, no? Maybe he did it privately?


This was the first one that came up for me a few days ago. I don't follow this site, but they have done the research on it. I would not post something I had not read.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200910210028#5


In 2008, Bush counselor Gillespie attacked NBC

In May 2008, Bush White House counselor Ed Gillespie publicly accused NBC of engaging in "deceitful editing" in its airing of portions of an interview NBC reporter Richard Engel conducted with Bush. In a letter to NBC News president Steve Capus, Gillespie wrote, "I'm sure you don't want people to conclude that there is really no distinction between the 'news' as reported on NBC and the 'opinion' as reported on MSNBC, despite the increasing blurring of those lines." Fox News personalities subsequently questioned why Bush would agree to be interviewed by NBC in the first place and applauded the White House's decision to attack NBC.
Gillespie accused NBC of "deceitful editing" and of "blurring" the lines "between the 'news' as reported on NBC and the 'opinion' as reported on MSNBC." In a May 19, 2008, open letter to Capus, Gillespie said NBC engaging in "deceitful editing" of an interview the network's Engel conducted with Bush. In the letter, Gillespie wrote:
Mr. Capus, I'm sure you don't want people to conclude that there is really no distinction between the "news" as reported on NBC and the "opinion" as reported on MSNBC, despite the increasing blurring of those lines. I welcome your response to this letter, and hope it is one that reassures your broadcast network's viewers that blatantly partisan talk show hosts like Christopher Matthews and Keith Olbermann at MSNBC don't hold editorial sway over the NBC network news division.
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NBC stood by reporting, criticized Gillespie's letter. From a May 19, 2008, AP article on MSNBC.com:
NBC countered by saying the unedited interview has been available since Sunday on the network's Web site, and that the reporting accurately reflects the interview. The extra sentences by Bush were included during a report on Sunday's "Today" show.
Capus replied that there was no effort to be deceptive and called Gillespie's criticism a gross misrepresentation of the facts.
"Just as the White House does not participate in the editorial process at the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal or USA Today, NBC News, as part of a free press in a free society, makes its own editorial decisions," NBC said in a statement.
In NBC's nightly newscast on Monday, anchor Brian Williams noted that the White House objected to how it presented the Bush interview. Williams reiterated that the entire interview was available on msnbc.com and that viewers could post comments on the broadcast's blog if they wanted.
That didn't satisfy Gillespie, who issued another statement moments later. "It's simply absurd for people to have to log onto the Internet and stream video to get accurate information from NBC News," he said.
The White House routinely pushes back against news stories it does not agree with by issuing "Setting The Record Straight" press releases. But the one against NBC News stands out for its angry tone and its accusation that the news division deceptively and deceitfully edited the president's words.
​
NY Times' Stolberg: Gillespie letter was "go-for-the-jugular move." In a May 23, 2008, New York Times piece, Sheryl Gay Stolberg wrote:
That was unusual enough; most disputes with reporters are settled -- or at least aired out -- behind the scenes. But the real aim of the lengthy missive could be found in its very last line, in which Mr. Gillespie accused NBC of blurring the lines between its news division and "blatantly partisan talk show hosts like Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann at MSNBC."
This was a go-for-the-jugular move. NBC, which shares offices and staff with its more opinionated cable sister, MSNBC, is particularly sensitive to such criticism, and Mr. Capus responded by saying the "reporting accurately reflects the interview" and that, in any event, viewers could see the entire unedited interview on the MSNBC Web site.
Around Washington, the Gillespie "Setting the Record Straight" was seen as a kind of shot across the bow, a warning from a White House that is trying to keep the spotlight on the president when the press is more concerned with the presidential campaign. It also raised the question of whether the administration was using the letter to NBC to further Republican goals.
"It is routine for them to write memos and scream and yell, it's all part of the game," said Joe Lockhart, who did his own share of screaming and yelling at the press as President Clinton's press secretary.
"But when it goes public," Mr. Lockhart said, "it reflects a broader strategy to get something else done. Maybe it's to put everyone on notice that we're still here, or to put everyone on notice that you'd better be careful, we'll embarrass you publicly if you get the story wrong. Or maybe it's a political strategy to help McCain and help gin up the base. Or it could be all three. But it wasn't a random act."
​
Fox News' Ingraham questioned why White House would agree to NBC interview. From the May 19, 2008, O'Reilly Factor, with guest host Laura Ingraham (as noted by Think Progress) (transcript from Nexis):
INGRAHAM: Now Karl, why would the White House agree to do an interview with Richard Engel? I mean, this is the guy who, you know, really didn't want to give the surge any credit and NBC, an organization, obviously that's called this a civil war. Now it's kind of not gone back and changed his view on that. We're in a recession, etcetera, etcetera. I mean, why bother really at this point?
ROVE: Well, incidentally, you saw in the letter that Ed Gillespie sent to President Capus of NBC. He reiterated -- brought back up the issue of civil war, where they unilaterally decided in 2006 that they would depict this as a civil war. Ed pointed out they haven't been depicting it as a civil war since late last year. And had they -- he inquired as to whether or not they changed their policy.
Look, NBC has got a real problem because we're now in a position where we are starting to see the journalistic standards of MSNBC, which are really no standards at all, creep into NBC, which is a respected news organization.
And you ask why would the president give an interview to him. Well, look, the president gives interviews to the major news networks all the time. If he were to sort of blacklist NBC, NBC would be screaming in the streets and be talking about it every night at news...
INGRAHAM: Right.
ROVE: ..every night on the news report. So it's important for him to give them the courtesy of responding to a request for an interview.
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Fox News' E.D. Hill: "Why go on a venue like that to begin with?" As noted by Think Progress, on the May 22, 2008, O'Reilly Factor, Hill suggested that "NBC News basically panders to the left and is, in essence, in the pocket for Barack Obama" and asked: "Why go on a venue like that to begin with?" (from Nexis):
HILL: You know, I'm sure you know from watching this program that, you know, Bill has, you know, has been reporting for more than a year on a pattern suggesting that NBC News basically panders to the left and is, in essence, in the pocket for Barack Obama. Why go on a venue like that to begin with?
GILLESPIE: Go on a venue like MSNBC?
HILL: Yes.
GILLESPIE: I don't know. It's -- you know, the -- you know, there are elements there who are clearly advocates for a candidate or a point of view, not even commentaries or commentators really or analysts. So I don't know why he would.
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Cal Thomas: "What's taken the Bush administration so long? ... They should have taken on the media a lot sooner." From a discussion about Gillespie's letter on the May 24, 2008, Fox News Watch (from Nexis):
CAL THOMAS, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: What's taken the Bush administration so long? Just seven months or so before they leave office they're taking on the media? They should have taken on the media a lot sooner. I had this conversation with Karl Rove at the beginning of the Bush administration. I said, you can leak to the "New York Times" and suck up to the liberals in the media and hope they'll be your friends or you can look for people who will give you a fair and balanced shake and go before them. They tried to suck up to the "New York Times," and the big networks and they paid the price.
​
Jim Pinkerton: NBC "declared war on the White House. Why shouldn't the White House be fighting back?" From the discussion about Gillespie's letter on the May 24, 2008, Fox News Watch (from Nexis):
E.D. HILL: Jim, tell me whether or not you think it was smart of the White House to send that letter?
JIM PINKERTON, CONTRIBUTING EDITOR AND WRITER, AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE: I think absolutely. I think NBC has staked out a position as the most leveling of the broadcast networks and their little cat paws at NBC keep opening this on. And they declared war on the White House. Why shouldn't the White House be fighting back?




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Blair avatar
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#85
Where is Dan Rather when you need him????
Winnie avatar
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#86
This was the first one that came up for me a few days ago.

In 2008, Bush counselor Gillespie attacked NBC

In May 2008, Bush White House counselor Ed Gillespie publicly accused NBC of engaging in "deceitful editing" in its airing of portions of an interview NBC reporter Richard Engel conducted with Bush. In a letter to NBC News president Steve Capus, Gillespie wrote, "I'm sure you don't want people to conclude that there is really no distinction between the 'news' as reported on NBC and the 'opinion' as reported on MSNBC, despite the increasing blurring of those lines." Fox News personalities subsequently questioned why Bush would agree to be interviewed by NBC in the first place and applauded the White House's decision to attack NBC.
Gillespie accused NBC of "deceitful editing" and of "blurring" the lines "between the 'news' as reported on NBC and the 'opinion' as reported on MSNBC." In a May 19, 2008, open letter to Capus, Gillespie said NBC engaging in "deceitful editing" of an interview the network's Engel conducted with Bush. In the letter, Gillespie wrote:
Mr. Capus, I'm sure you don't want people to conclude that there is really no distinction between the "news" as reported on NBC and the "opinion" as reported on MSNBC, despite the increasing blurring of those lines. I welcome your response to this letter, and hope it is one that reassures your broadcast network's viewers that blatantly partisan talk show hosts like Christopher Matthews and Keith Olbermann at MSNBC don't hold editorial sway over the NBC network news division.

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NBC stood by reporting, criticized Gillespie's letter. From a May 19, 2008, AP article on MSNBC.com:
NBC countered by saying the unedited interview has been available since Sunday on the network's Web site, and that the reporting accurately reflects the interview. The extra sentences by Bush were included during a report on Sunday's "Today" show.
Capus replied that there was no effort to be deceptive and called Gillespie's criticism a gross misrepresentation of the facts.
"Just as the White House does not participate in the editorial process at the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal or USA Today, NBC News, as part of a free press in a free society, makes its own editorial decisions," NBC said in a statement.
In NBC's nightly newscast on Monday, anchor Brian Williams noted that the White House objected to how it presented the Bush interview. Williams reiterated that the entire interview was available on msnbc.com and that viewers could post comments on the broadcast's blog if they wanted.
That didn't satisfy Gillespie, who issued another statement moments later. "It's simply absurd for people to have to log onto the Internet and stream video to get accurate information from NBC News," he said.
The White House routinely pushes back against news stories it does not agree with by issuing "Setting The Record Straight" press releases. But the one against NBC News stands out for its angry tone and its accusation that the news division deceptively and deceitfully edited the president's words.

​
NY Times' Stolberg: Gillespie letter was "go-for-the-jugular move." In a May 23, 2008, New York Times piece, Sheryl Gay Stolberg wrote:
That was unusual enough; most disputes with reporters are settled -- or at least aired out -- behind the scenes. But the real aim of the lengthy missive could be found in its very last line, in which Mr. Gillespie accused NBC of blurring the lines between its news division and "blatantly partisan talk show hosts like Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann at MSNBC."
This was a go-for-the-jugular move. NBC, which shares offices and staff with its more opinionated cable sister, MSNBC, is particularly sensitive to such criticism, and Mr. Capus responded by saying the "reporting accurately reflects the interview" and that, in any event, viewers could see the entire unedited interview on the MSNBC Web site.
Around Washington, the Gillespie "Setting the Record Straight" was seen as a kind of shot across the bow, a warning from a White House that is trying to keep the spotlight on the president when the press is more concerned with the presidential campaign. It also raised the question of whether the administration was using the letter to NBC to further Republican goals.
"It is routine for them to write memos and scream and yell, it's all part of the game," said Joe Lockhart, who did his own share of screaming and yelling at the press as President Clinton's press secretary.
"But when it goes public," Mr. Lockhart said, "it reflects a broader strategy to get something else done. Maybe it's to put everyone on notice that we're still here, or to put everyone on notice that you'd better be careful, we'll embarrass you publicly if you get the story wrong. Or maybe it's a political strategy to help McCain and help gin up the base. Or it could be all three. But it wasn't a random act."

​
Fox News' Ingraham questioned why White House would agree to NBC interview. From the May 19, 2008, O'Reilly Factor, with guest host Laura Ingraham (as noted by Think Progress) (transcript from Nexis):
INGRAHAM: Now Karl, why would the White House agree to do an interview with Richard Engel? I mean, this is the guy who, you know, really didn't want to give the surge any credit and NBC, an organization, obviously that's called this a civil war. Now it's kind of not gone back and changed his view on that. We're in a recession, etcetera, etcetera. I mean, why bother really at this point?
ROVE: Well, incidentally, you saw in the letter that Ed Gillespie sent to President Capus of NBC. He reiterated -- brought back up the issue of civil war, where they unilaterally decided in 2006 that they would depict this as a civil war. Ed pointed out they haven't been depicting it as a civil war since late last year. And had they -- he inquired as to whether or not they changed their policy.
Look, NBC has got a real problem because we're now in a position where we are starting to see the journalistic standards of MSNBC, which are really no standards at all, creep into NBC, which is a respected news organization.
And you ask why would the president give an interview to him. Well, look, the president gives interviews to the major news networks all the time. If he were to sort of blacklist NBC, NBC would be screaming in the streets and be talking about it every night at news...
INGRAHAM: Right.
ROVE: ..every night on the news report. So it's important for him to give them the courtesy of responding to a request for an interview.

​
Fox News' E.D. Hill: "Why go on a venue like that to begin with?" As noted by Think Progress, on the May 22, 2008, O'Reilly Factor, Hill suggested that "NBC News basically panders to the left and is, in essence, in the pocket for Barack Obama" and asked: "Why go on a venue like that to begin with?" (from Nexis):
HILL: You know, I'm sure you know from watching this program that, you know, Bill has, you know, has been reporting for more than a year on a pattern suggesting that NBC News basically panders to the left and is, in essence, in the pocket for Barack Obama. Why go on a venue like that to begin with?
GILLESPIE: Go on a venue like MSNBC?
HILL: Yes.
GILLESPIE: I don't know. It's -- you know, the -- you know, there are elements there who are clearly advocates for a candidate or a point of view, not even commentaries or commentators really or analysts. So I don't know why he would.

​
Cal Thomas: "What's taken the Bush administration so long? ... They should have taken on the media a lot sooner." From a discussion about Gillespie's letter on the May 24, 2008, Fox News Watch (from Nexis):
CAL THOMAS, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: What's taken the Bush administration so long? Just seven months or so before they leave office they're taking on the media? They should have taken on the media a lot sooner. I had this conversation with Karl Rove at the beginning of the Bush administration. I said, you can leak to the "New York Times" and suck up to the liberals in the media and hope they'll be your friends or you can look for people who will give you a fair and balanced shake and go before them. They tried to suck up to the "New York Times," and the big networks and they paid the price.

​
Jim Pinkerton: NBC "declared war on the White House. Why shouldn't the White House be fighting back?" From the discussion about Gillespie's letter on the May 24, 2008, Fox News Watch (from Nexis):
E.D. HILL: Jim, tell me whether or not you think it was smart of the White House to send that letter?
JIM PINKERTON, CONTRIBUTING EDITOR AND WRITER, AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE: I think absolutely. I think NBC has staked out a position as the most leveling of the broadcast networks and their little cat paws at NBC keep opening this on. And they declared war on the White House. Why shouldn't the White House be fighting back?

I don't follow this site, but they have done the research on it. I would not post something I had not read.




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Point of view I guess. It looks to me like objections to one interview. Not the entire network and it's coverage of news. Oh well. :idontno:

I just hope the White House - this White House - soon quits acting like petulant children regarding media coverage.
Alicia Leonard avatar
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#87
Where is Dan Rather when you need him????

Looking for the frequency, Kenneth.:biggrin:
LuciferSam avatar
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#88
Absolutely!

And more than one party in power.

At the moment I have a very low opinion of the Republicans who currently run the show, that's why I think Obama should take a more aggressive posture. Clearly they are not about to play ball with him, so where does that leave him??:idontno:
Winnie avatar
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At the moment I have a very low opinion of the Republicans who currently run the show, that's why I think Obama should take a more aggressive posture. Clearly they are not about to play ball with him, so where does that leave him??:idontno:

Huh??? :floor:

President Obama doesn't need any Republicans to play ball with him. He has majorities in the House and the Senate.

Government works better when at least one of the three - President, House, or Senate is of a different party. That's the best way to assure that most of the population is represented in decision making, not just half.
Lynnie avatar
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Well, I am unaware of any of this, but here is the article from Fox. I agree with the President's comments in paragraph #2; I am more concerned about Afghanistan and the economy.

If the Administration doesn't like Fox, so be it. I don't really care for any of them. I wish we didn't have news 24/7. And, to add: I believe cable network has ruined college football.





President Obama spoke publicly for the first time Wednesday about his administration's portrayal of Fox News as an illegitimate news organization -- only to say he's not "losing sleep" over the controversy.
Obama, in an interview with NBC, at first attempted to deflect a question about the White House's criticism of Fox News, saying "the American people are a lot more interested in what we're doing to create jobs or how we're handling the situation in Afghanistan."
The interviewer then pressed, noting that Obama's advisers have targeted the network openly.
"I think that what our advisers simply said is, is that we are going to take media as it comes," Obama said. "And if media is operating, basically, as a talk radio format, then that's one thing. And if it's operating as a news outlet than that's another. But it's not something I'm losing a lot of sleep over."
Several top White House advisers have gone on other channels to criticize Fox News' coverage of the administration, dismiss the network as the mouthpiece of the Republican Party and urge other news organizations not to treat Fox News as a legitimate news station.
And on Tuesday, Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said White House officials "render (that) opinion based on some their coverage and the fairness of that coverage."
But asked how Fox News was different from other news organizations, Gibbs mentioned the channel's 5 p.m. and 9 p.m. shows, in an explicit reference to "Beck" and "Hannity" -- even though those two shows represent opinion programming.
Informed that those hours are for opinion programming, Gibbs said: "That is our opinion."
Michael Clemente, senior vice president of news for Fox News, issued a statement Tuesday defending the company.
"Hundreds of journalists come to work each day at Fox News all deeply committed to their craft. It's disappointing that the White House would be so dismissive of their fine work and continue their vengeful war against a news organization," he said.
AlphaCrab avatar
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#91
Huh??? :floor:

President Obama doesn't need any Republicans to play ball with him. He has majorities in the House and the Senate.

Government works better when at least one of the three - President, House, or Senate is of a different party. That's the best way to assure that most of the population is represented in decision making, not just half.

Winnie, Let me interpret here for you--what the eloquent LuciferSam is trying to say is that he doesn't need any of the" No" Republican Party, the "Block-all-legislation" Republican Party, the Republicans that are currently on display in front of the American public nightly--John Baynor, Michelle Bachman, Eric Cantor, Joe Wilson. He only want to play ball with the "reasonable," normal Rebublicans, like Olympia Snow. I mean really can you blame him?? :idontno:

Besides, only 1 in 5 American as of today identifies themselves as Republuican--there really is "NO" party going on....
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#92
Looking for the frequency, Kenneth.:biggrin:

Thank you for making me :biggrin:!
Alicia Leonard avatar
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#93
Thank you for making me :biggrin:!

That's what friends are for:biggrin:!
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Huh??? :floor:

President Obama doesn't need any Republicans to play ball with him. He has majorities in the House and the Senate.

Government works better when at least one of the three - President, House, or Senate is of a different party. That's the best way to assure that most of the population is represented in decision making, not just half.

That's exactly what I'm getting at. He has the power to give the Republicans a well-deserved stompin' but he hasn't exercised it.
Winnie avatar
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Winnie, Let me interpret here for you--what the eloquent LuciferSam is trying to say is that he doesn't need any of the" No" Republican Party, the "Block-all-legislation" Republican Party, the Republicans that are currently on display in front of the American public nightly--John Baynor, Michelle Bachman, Eric Cantor, Joe Wilson. He only want to play ball with the "reasonable," normal Rebublicans, like Olympia Snow. I mean really can you blame him?? :idontno:

Besides, only 1 in 5 American as of today identifies themselves as Republuican--there really is "NO" party going on....

That's exactly what I'm getting at. He has the power to give the Republicans a well-deserved stompin' but he hasn't exercised it.

So, 20% self identify as Republican and 30% self identify as Democrat. I looked up your source for you - http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/4_090428_NBC-WSJ_Full.pdf

This means that the President should not be " stompin' " anybody.
We all are entitled to representation of our views in Washington. We the people.
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So, 20% self identify as Republican and 30% self identify as Democrat. I looked up your source for you - http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/4_090428_NBC-WSJ_Full.pdf

This means that the President should not be " stompin' " anybody.
We all are entitled to representation of our views in Washington. We the people.

My POINT exactly when I called the White House yesterday--just push the healthcare reform through NOW-forget trying to get on the good side of ONE Republican senator, Olympia Snow--there are 177 lives a day being lost because of people going without hrealthcare! Who cares about Olympia Snow (except maybe Mr. Snow)!!

Obama needs to get much nastier to succeed. This bi-partisanship is really dumb-Republicans want no part of it anyway.

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White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview - Political News - FOXNews.com

The Obama administration on Thursday failed in its attempt to manipulate other news networks into isolating and excluding Fox News, as Republicans on Capitol Hill stepped up their criticism of the hardball tactics employed by the White House.
The Obama administration on Thursday tried to make "pay czar" Kenneth Feinberg available for interviews to every member of the White House pool except Fox News. The pool is the five-network rotation that for decades has shared the costs and duties of daily coverage of the presidency.
But the Washington bureau chiefs of the five TV networks consulted and decided that none of their reporters would interview Feinberg unless Fox News was included.
The administration relented, making Feinberg available for all five pool members and Bloomberg TV.
The pushback came after White House senior adviser David Axelrod told ABC News' "This Week" on Sunday that Fox News is not a real news organization and other news networks "ought not to treat them that way."
The decision to boycott the Feinberg interview unless Fox News was included was cheered by media analysts, who said the administration's gambit was taking its feud with Fox News too far. President Obama has already declined to go on "Fox News Sunday," even while appearing on the other Sunday shows.
"I'm really cheered by the other members saying "No, if Fox can't be part of it, we won't be part of it,'" said Baltimore Sun TV critic David Zurawik, calling the move to limit Feinberg's availability "outrageous."
"What it's really about to me is the Executive Branch of the government trying to tell the press how it should behave. I mean, this democracy -- we know this -- only works with a free and unfettered press to provide information," he said.
Fox News legal analyst Peter Johnson Jr. said the administration was potentially in violation of the Constitution with its attempt to restrict access to the "eyes and ears" of the country.
"What was averted was a very serious Constitutional violation by the White House," he said. "There cannot be selective and arbitrary access to the White House based on some subjective determination."
Several top White House advisers have appeared on other news channels to criticize Fox News' coverage of the administration, dismiss the network as the mouthpiece of the Republican Party and urge other news organizations not to treat Fox News as a legitimate news network.
On Wednesday, Obama, speaking publicly for the first time about his administration's portrayal of Fox News as illegitimate, said he's not "losing sleep" over the controversy.
"I think that what our advisers simply said is, is that we are going to take media as it comes," Obama said when asked about his advisers targeting the network openly. "And if media is operating, basically, as a talk radio format, then that's one thing. And if it's operating as a news outlet, then that's another. But it's not something I'm losing a lot of sleep over."
Obama's comments also came after he met Monday with political commentators Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Eugene Robinson, E.J. Dionne, Ron Brownstein, John Dickerson, Frank Rich, Jerry Seib, Maureen Dowd, Bob Herbert, Gloria Borger, and Gwen Ifill.
House Republican leaders rushed to the defense of conservative commentators Thursday after the comments.
Rep. Mike Pence, chairman of the House Republican Conference, said conservative commentators speak more for Americans than the national media outlets that have targeted them for criticism.
"Goaded on by a White House increasingly intolerant of criticism, lately the national media has taken aim at conservative commentators in radio and television," the Indiana Republican said on the House floor. "Suggesting that they only speak for a small group of activists and even suggesting in one report today that Republicans in Washington are 'worried about their electoral effect.' Well, that's hogwash."

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other newtorks realize obama hasn't yet secured the opportunity to be president for life and that this slope is a slippery one

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Bob avatar
SoWal Insider
#98
the white house is intolerant of unrelenting kneejerk antagonism.
30ashopper avatar
SoWal InsiderAuthor
#99
My POINT exactly when I called the White House yesterday--just push the healthcare reform through NOW-forget trying to get on the good side of ONE Republican senator, Olympia Snow--there are 177 lives a day being lost because of people going without hrealthcare! Who cares about Olympia Snow (except maybe Mr. Snow)!!

Obama needs to get much nastier to succeed. This bi-partisanship is really dumb-Republicans want no part of it anyway.

Reid and Pelosi have much bigger problems than one republican senator. The democratic party went out of it's way to promote moderate democrats and independents for candidates over the last two election cycles - these folks are now balking at issues such as cost and government run initiatives. Without their support the democrats really can't get much done, so they have no choice but to listen to them. (Which is probably a good thing, no?)
Lynnie avatar
SoWal Insider
#100
I have a new respect for the other networks who stood up and protected freedom of press and speech. They should win an award or a prize.
mtlinscomb avatar
Beach Fanatic
#101
I have a new respect for the other networks who stood up and protected freedom of press and speech. They should win an award or a prize.

my thoughts exactly

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