The Walton County Tea Party Patriots are hosting a "Freedom Rally" on Saturday, April 17th, from 11:00 AM to 2:00 PM in DeFuniak Springs. The Rally will be located in front of Walton Cycles, on Hwy. 90 West (from 331 N, turn left onto Hwy 90 and Walton Cycles is about 3/4 mile on the right).
Bring your posters (no ugly language), flags, folding chairs and your Patriotic spirit as we gather to voice our concerns about the direction our country is heading. We will have several speakers talking about issues that are of great concern. Mike Hill, a candidate for State Senate, will be our guest speaker. We will also have "Open-Mike" time for anyone to express their concerns.
There will be a voter registration table to assist Walton Co. citizens. We will be handing out FREE Constitution booklets, FREE American Flags and FREE ICED TEA!
If you have questions about what the Tea Party Movement is all about or if you are concerned about the changes taking place in our country, please attend. Take the time to find out that we are average citizens, who are peacefully trying to return our country to its former ideals of Consitutional government, Christian values, smaller government, lower taxes and less government intrusion into our everyday lives.
WE ARE A NON-PARTISAN GROUP AND EVERYONE IS WELCOME!
Please go to our website at www.waltoncountypatriots.tcoinc.com for additional information about our organization.
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133Beach ComberAuthor
Where in the Constitution does it say anything about the United States being a Christian Nation? This goes against everything which the Founders were trying to avoid-- and goes against the traditions of American pluralism, religious pluralism and inclusion.
Our country was founded by people who sought freedom OF religion - not freedom FROM religion. If you have read any history of our country's founding, you would have seen innumerable references to our Christian heritage. Just take a look at the monuments in Washington, DC and all of the references to Christianity incorporated in their construction. When the Constitution was being written, a citizen wanted to get a glimpse of George Washington and asked someone how he could distinguish Washington from the other members at the gathering of patriots, he was told to look for the man who kneels to pray to God.
Our country was founded on Christian principles, but we have always allowed others to worship as they wished. Now, we are at a crossroads where our freedom to worship as we desire is being threatened - if not downright outlawed. If ever there was a freedom to fight for, it is our freedom to worship God as we desire - just as every other religion is allowed to do.
SoWal Expert
And you have now lost my support. :roll:
Strange that I have not heard that the Christian religion was being persecuted and denied the right to worship, but considering the MAJOR historical inaccuracies in your statement, it sounds like facts are not as important as inflammatory rhetoric.
Strange that I have not heard that the Christian religion was being persecuted and denied the right to worship, but considering the MAJOR historical inaccuracies in your statement, it sounds like facts are not as important as inflammatory rhetoric.
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SoWal Insider
Can't argue with you there Bob, the federal debt went ballistic after Reagan's tax cuts. We should have cut government spending far more. I mean really, that debt is pure spending by the federal government, independent of necessities, we really could've lopped off 60% of what the feds spend and survived and thrived just fine.reagan would have been fine without massive dod expenditures....gw would have done much better without the wars.
Banned
Our country was founded by people who sought freedom OF religion - not freedom FROM religion. If you have read any history of our country's founding, you would have seen innumerable references to our Christian heritage. Just take a look at the monuments in Washington, DC and all of the references to Christianity incorporated in their construction. When the Constitution was being written, a citizen wanted to get a glimpse of George Washington and asked someone how he could distinguish Washington from the other members at the gathering of patriots, he was told to look for the man who kneels to pray to God.
Our country was founded on Christian principles, but we have always allowed others to worship as they wished. Now, we are at a crossroads where our freedom to worship as we desire is being threatened - if not downright outlawed. If ever there was a freedom to fight for, it is our freedom to worship God as we desire - just as every other religion is allowed to do.
Alright, now you've crossed the line with the America is a theocracy crap. Some of us could smell the stink with your first post.
SoWal Insider
Our country was founded by people who sought freedom OF religion - not freedom FROM religion. If you have read any history of our country's founding, you would have seen innumerable references to our Christian heritage. Just take a look at the monuments in Washington, DC and all of the references to Christianity incorporated in their construction. When the Constitution was being written, a citizen wanted to get a glimpse of George Washington and asked someone how he could distinguish Washington from the other members at the gathering of patriots, he was told to look for the man who kneels to pray to God.
Our country was founded on Christian principles, but we have always allowed others to worship as they wished. Now, we are at a crossroads where our freedom to worship as we desire is being threatened - if not downright outlawed. If ever there was a freedom to fight for, it is our freedom to worship God as we desire - just as every other religion is allowed to do.
Now wait a minute. You originally stated -
"who are peacefully trying to return our country to its former ideals of Consitutional government, Christian values, smaller government, lower taxes and less government intrusion into our everyday lives."
What exactly did you mean by that? In your post above you mention that people who choose to follow a christian faith are having their individual rights threatened -
"our freedom to worship as we desire is being threatened"
Those are two completely different statements. If you fear your right to practice your faith is being threatened, I'll be the first person in line backing you up. But in your first post, it seemed to me you were stating that christian values should be forced upon the citizenry. That would be a direct violation of the Constitution and individual rights. Something I seriously doubt the founders would agree with.
So which is it?
Generally, I don't think "christian values" is a central plank in the tea party platform. (It's definitely a "social conservative" plank though.) The tea party movement is all about "individual liberty, limited government and economic freedom". (I took that from the newly unvailed "Contract from America" by the way.)
Tea Party Activists Unveil 'Contract From America' - ABC News
This is the group I'm associated with. I sense you accidentally let some of your own personal views leak into your original post. Tea partiers generally don't align with social conservatives on a number of issues. For example there are a lot of libertarians in the tea party movement (like myself), and we do not feel religious beliefs should be enforced by government upon the people.
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Banned
Now wait a minute. You originally stated -
"who are peacefully trying to return our country to its former ideals of Consitutional government, Christian values, smaller government, lower taxes and less government intrusion into our everyday lives."
What exactly did you mean by that? In your post above you mention that people who choose to follow a christian faith are having their individual rights threatened -
"our freedom to worship as we desire is being threatened"
Those are two completely different statements. If you fear your right to practice your faith is being threatened, I'll be the first person in line backing you up. But in your first post, it seemed to me you were stating that christian values should be forced upon the citizenry. That would be a direct violation of the Constitution and individual rights. Something I seriously doubt the founders would agree with.
So which is it?
Generally, I don't think "christian values" is a central plank in the tea party platform. (It's definitely a "social conservative" plank though.) The tea party movement is all about "individual liberty, limited government and economic freedom". (I took that from the newly unvailed "Contract from America" by the way.)
Tea Party Activists Unveil 'Contract From America' - ABC News
This is the group I'm associated with. I sense you accidentally let some of your own personal views leak into your original post. Tea partiers generally don't align with social conservatives on a number of issues. For example there are a lot of libertarians in the tea party movement (like myself), and we do not feel religious beliefs should be enforced by government upon the people.
Now do you understand? There's no getting away from the teahadists.
Beach Fanatic
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FOXNews.com - Oregon Teacher Panel Probes Educator Determined to 'Demolish' Tea Party
School officials investigate Beaverton teacher who urged people to crash the tea party | OregonLive.com
Many of those misspelled signs have admittedly been from tea party infiltrators. They know many folks will see a picture and generalize about the entire movement. The liberal press is all too quick to show them.
Like I said, it reveals their desperation when these tactics come to light. This teacher is encouraging his people to try and collect SSN's from tea party participants. He teaches 6th-8th grade!
Each one of those articles are for events that haven't even happened. Who knows if they will carry out the "threat". Also, the GOP has operatives in the Tea Party events as well. See earlier postings.
Now for your latest statement (SEE BOLD). Where's the proof on it?
Beach Fanatic
Now wait a minute. You originally stated -
"who are peacefully trying to return our country to its former ideals of Consitutional government, Christian values, smaller government, lower taxes and less government intrusion into our everyday lives."
What exactly did you mean by that? In your post above you mention that people who choose to follow a christian faith are having their individual rights threatened -
"our freedom to worship as we desire is being threatened"
Those are two completely different statements. If you fear your right to practice your faith is being threatened, I'll be the first person in line backing you up. But in your first post, it seemed to me you were stating that christian values should be forced upon the citizenry. That would be a direct violation of the Constitution and individual rights. Something I seriously doubt the founders would agree with.
So which is it?
Generally, I don't think "christian values" is a central plank in the tea party platform. (It's definitely a "social conservative" plank though.) The tea party movement is all about "individual liberty, limited government and economic freedom". (I took that from the newly unvailed "Contract from America" by the way.)
Tea Party Activists Unveil 'Contract From America' - ABC News
This is the group I'm associated with. I sense you accidentally let some of your own personal views leak into your original post. Tea partiers generally don't align with social conservatives on a number of issues. For example there are a lot of libertarians in the tea party movement (like myself), and we do not feel religious beliefs should be enforced by government upon the people.
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Beach Lover
Watch out condomimi, when you enter this den, you do so at your own peril. My suggestion would be not to use this forum to promote, discuss, or debate the political, social, or economic experts. We even have constitutional scholars on the board. Each word, idea, and statement will be scrutinized, insulted, and/or dismissed by someone or everyone. They even know what you are thinking. I will be at the rally mainly out of curiosity. I hope to photograph the numerous racist signs and record the racist epithets I am sure will be yelled out during the rally. I will especially be looking for gun-toting rednecks and the white robes and hoods. A rebel flag thrown in for color would be great. I do hope there will be no actual tea-bagging. I've only learned recently, from Sex and the City, what it actually involved. I was shocked
Beach Fanatic
When did people start mistaking ridicule for hate?You might call it ridicule, I call it hate and 30Ashopper is absolutely correct. And, also, when is ridicule called for when some one announces a function on SoWal?
Beach Fanatic
That wouldnt surprise me about the GOP. Ith appens on the left and right.
There's an image floating around from a previous tea party event with a mispelled slanderous sign. I'll search for it when I get home. He was identified and found to be sporting 3 Obama bumper stickers and a registered democrat. He later admitted he was hired to do it.
There's an image floating around from a previous tea party event with a mispelled slanderous sign. I'll search for it when I get home. He was identified and found to be sporting 3 Obama bumper stickers and a registered democrat. He later admitted he was hired to do it.
Banned
You might call it ridicule, I call it hate and 30Ashopper is absolutely correct. And, also, when is ridicule called for when some one announces a function on SoWal?
Ridicule is always called for by everyone except the target. And by the way it turned out to be quite appropriate in this case. Deal with it!
Beach Fanatic
Clearly a lively debate is in order with someone who can't spell "govrnmnt", "taxtion", "thinks the government doesn't run medicare", or plenty of other issues. You can't debate someone who's mind is already made up to the point that they resort to name calling such as "socialist", "commie", "anti-American", etc.You're right about that, SWGB!! You can't debate someone such as you whose mind is already made up, such as you. I readily admit mine is as well but mine is made up of years of experience and learning while yours is due to your vast experience and education.
Oh, and by the way, have you ever hear of "typographical errors"? I thought not. They are beyond yours and many others comprehension.Beach Fanatic
Ridicule is always called for by everyone except the target. And by the way it turned out to be quite appropriate in this case. Deal with it!And, as usual, you are being a snark. I am dealing with it, it is you that causes the problems. Also, your idea of appropriate and mine differ greatly. I am anything but a religious bigot but I will defend until my dying day anyone's right to express their religious belief or non-belief. You and others, on the other hand, seem intent on denying them that right because it doesn't cotton to whatever your beliefs might happen to be.
Beach Fanatic
Our country was founded by people who sought freedom OF religion - not freedom FROM religion. If you have read any history of our country's founding, you would have seen innumerable references to our Christian heritage. Just take a look at the monuments in Washington, DC and all of the references to Christianity incorporated in their construction. When the Constitution was being written, a citizen wanted to get a glimpse of George Washington and asked someone how he could distinguish Washington from the other members at the gathering of patriots, he was told to look for the man who kneels to pray to God.
Our country was founded on Christian principles, but we have always allowed others to worship as they wished. Now, we are at a crossroads where our freedom to worship as we desire is being threatened - if not downright outlawed. If ever there was a freedom to fight for, it is our freedom to worship God as we desire - just as every other religion is allowed to do.
what history books are you reading from...and what comparative religion source...
Beach Fanatic
Let me try and put this into some semblance of reasonability.
It is obvious that some do not agree with the tea party movement or their rallies. There are, as with every group, different factions with slightly different points of view on the issues within the tea party movement. But this much I can assure you that all agree on.
1. Limited government
2. Return of certain rights, granted to them, to the states.
3. Sound fiscal policy. Quit spending what we don't have.
4. Taxation that is simple, understandable and fair
5. Elected officials that are for responsible governmnmt and responsible to citizens.
There are more I am sure but these are among the basics. If I am wrong in my assumptions, please, some Tea Party Patriot correct me and also feel free to add to my five above. And 30Ashopper and Desso, I'll be the one in the red shirt and Veteran's cap. Please come over and introduce yourselves and say "hello".
It is obvious that some do not agree with the tea party movement or their rallies. There are, as with every group, different factions with slightly different points of view on the issues within the tea party movement. But this much I can assure you that all agree on.
1. Limited government
2. Return of certain rights, granted to them, to the states.
3. Sound fiscal policy. Quit spending what we don't have.
4. Taxation that is simple, understandable and fair
5. Elected officials that are for responsible governmnmt and responsible to citizens.
There are more I am sure but these are among the basics. If I am wrong in my assumptions, please, some Tea Party Patriot correct me and also feel free to add to my five above. And 30Ashopper and Desso, I'll be the one in the red shirt and Veteran's cap. Please come over and introduce yourselves and say "hello".
Banned
And, as usual, you are being a snark. I am dealing with it, it is you that causes the problems. Also, your idea of appropriate and mine differ greatly. I am anything but a religious bigot but I will defend until my dying day anyone's right to express their religious belief or non-belief. You and others, on the other hand, seem intent on denying them that right because it doesn't cotton to whatever your beliefs might happen to be.
As usual you simply miss the point and don't get it.
P.S. I don't try deny anyone's right to do anything. They simply don't get my approval, support, money, blessing, whatever. Furthermore they may be subject to my ridicule. I sadi it before and I'll say it again DEAL WITH IT!
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SoWal Expert
what history books are you reading from...and what comparative religion source...
Not sure, but apparently they don't mention the architecture of NON-CHRISTIAN Greeks, Romans, or Egyptians....................which is what most of the buildings/monuments in D.C. are based on! :rofl:
Banned
I'll be the liberal at the teaparty burning the flag and teaching the virtues of death camps and socialism, come on over and say hi.
SoWal Expert
Let me try and put this into some semblance of reasonability.
It is obvious that some do not agree with the tea party movement or their rallies. There are, as with every group, different factions with slightly different points of view on the issues within the tea party movement. But this much I can assure you that all agree on.
1. Limited government
2. Return of certain rights, granted to them, to the states.
3. Sound fiscal policy. Quit spending what we don't have.
4. Taxation that is simple, understandable and fair
5. Elected officials that are for responsible governmnmt and responsible to citizens.
There are more I am sure but these are among the basics. If I am wrong in my assumptions, please, some Tea Party Patriot correct me and also feel free to add to my five above. And 30Ashopper and Desso, I'll be the one in the red shirt and Veteran's cap. Please come over and introduce yourselves and say "hello".
A quick look at the Walton County Patriots website was interesting. What if an atheist has the same concerns about limited government fiscal policy, and other "basics" but does not worship God? Would that person feel welcome at a Tea Party event? There is a lot of God thrown around on that website, and I have a feeling it is a Christian God, right? Are there any Jewish Tea Party Patriots? Or Muslim? Or Buddhist? Someone please remind me again why God has to come into this?
Beach Fanatic
Let me try and put this into some semblance of reasonability.
It is obvious that some do not agree with the tea party movement or their rallies. There are, as with every group, different factions with slightly different points of view on the issues within the tea party movement. But this much I can assure you that all agree on.
1. Limited government
2. Return of certain rights, granted to them, to the states.
3. Sound fiscal policy. Quit spending what we don't have.
4. Taxation that is simple, understandable and fair
5. Elected officials that are for responsible governmnmt and responsible to citizens.
There are more I am sure but these are among the basics. If I am wrong in my assumptions, please, some Tea Party Patriot correct me and also feel free to add to my five above. And 30Ashopper and Desso, I'll be the one in the red shirt and Veteran's cap. Please come over and introduce yourselves and say "hello".
Andy A. did you know if the Walton County Tea Party group is affiliated with the Russo consultants out of California? or is it strictly a local, Walton County group?
SoWal Insider
A quick look at the Walton County Patriots website was interesting. What if an atheist has the same concerns about limited government fiscal policy, and other "basics" but does not worship God? Would that person feel welcome at a Tea Party event? There is a lot of God thrown around on that website, and I have a feeling it is a Christian God, right? Are there any Jewish Tea Party Patriots? Or Muslim? Or Buddhist? Someone please remind me again why God has to come into this?
I think that's an inevitable side effect of our area of the country.
Found this:
The rise of a new conservative grass roots fueled by a secular revulsion at government spending is stirring fears among leaders of the old conservative grass roots, the evangelical Christian right.
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“There’s a libertarian streak in the tea party movement that concerns me as a cultural conservative,” said Bryan Fischer, director of Issue Analysis for Government and Public Policy at the American Family Association. “The tea party movement needs to insist that candidates believe in the sanctity of life and the sanctity of marriage.”
Tea parties stir evangelicals' fears - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com
Um, no it doesn't.
People involved are free to express that feeling, but the group as a whole should not make these central issues, IMHO. Andy, what's your take?
SWGB
Our country was founded by people who sought freedom OF religion - not freedom FROM religion. If you have read any history of our country's founding, you would have seen innumerable references to our Christian heritage. Just take a look at the monuments in Washington, DC and all of the references to Christianity incorporated in their construction. When the Constitution was being written, a citizen wanted to get a glimpse of George Washington and asked someone how he could distinguish Washington from the other members at the gathering of patriots, he was told to look for the man who kneels to pray to God.
Our country was founded on Christian principles, but we have always allowed others to worship as they wished. Now, we are at a crossroads where our freedom to worship as we desire is being threatened - if not downright outlawed. If ever there was a freedom to fight for, it is our freedom to worship God as we desire - just as every other religion is allowed to do.
George Washington knelt in prayer as much as he chopped down Cherry trees.
GW & Religion
Beach Lover
You have to admit Democrats are extremely worried about the Tea Party movement. So much so that they're scrambling to place people on the ground at the rallys to try and make them look racist, violent and fanatical.
it's ironic that the far left that proclaims the right to freedom of speech is trying to extinguish others of that right.
Calling them racists has failed to take root.
They need to engage them on the issues instead of resorting to name calling and fear mongering.
So you're saying that Democrats infiltrated the teabaggers and they were the ones spitting and yelling racial slurs?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Moderator
So you're saying that Democrats infiltrated the teabaggers and they were the ones spitting and yelling racial slurs?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Still...no proof of the racial slurs!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
$100,000 dollars offered to anybody who can provide proof. So far it's still drawing interest in a bank because nobody can prove it.
And the video of the alleged incident doesn't back up a spitting claim, either. If anything, it was a "say it don't spray it" moment at best.
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