Fox News is not a news organization

Ahh, liberals and their analogies. If anyone is wondering why no one is mentioning MSNBC in this conversation, its because no one watches MSNBC. I mean really, if you have Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, and Ed Shultz as your mascots, how much trash can you really talk about Fox?

Ahh, liberals and their analogies. If anyone is wondering why no one is mentioning MSNBC in this conversation, its because no one watches MSNBC. I mean really, if you have Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, and Ed Shultz as your mascots, how much trash can you really talk about Fox?

MSNBC is mentioned several times in this thread. If you want to know why MSNBC isn't being critiqued, just look at the thread title, that explains it.

Vanity Fair poll

Jon Stewart not doing so well with the Reps...who knew...

Does Rupert Murdock still own Fox? Wonder if the birthers have checked his cert.? Also wonder what his political agenda is?

Unfortunately, you don't have to be a citizen of this country to use a media outlet filled with lies, distortion, and hypocrisy to promote your fear-mongering agenda and make a lot of money at the same time.

Vanity Fair poll

I'd be curious how Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert's ratings stack up to Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity. Anybody got that info?

Ahh, liberals and their analogies. If anyone is wondering why no one is mentioning MSNBC in this conversation, its because no one watches MSNBC. I mean really, if you have Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, and Ed Shultz as your mascots, how much trash can you really talk about Fox?

Ah the conservatives with their analogies.....Funny that no one watches MSNBC yet YOU know that they talk trash about Faux.....;-)

I'd be curious how Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert's ratings stack up to Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity. Anybody got that info?

With the Right-Wingers the graph would look like an informercial for Viagra.

Stewart/Colbert: without
Beck/Hannity: WITH

Does Rupert Murdock still own Fox? Wonder if the birthers have checked his cert.? Also wonder what his political agenda is?

It's even more interesting who owns a large stake in news corp.;-) and who has bragged that they have what they want removed from there, when they want it.

It's even more interesting who owns a large stake in news corp.;-) and who has bragged that they have what they want removed from there, when they want it.

It only stands to reason that the Saudi Royal Family owns part of News Corp, since they own part of the GOP, also.

And since I know none of the Foxies around here would believe anything if it came from the "liberal mainstream media", here's a right-wing watchdog site 's report on the subject:

Why does Fox News promote terror-tied, FBI-shunned group?
"Long a reliably patriotic media source in the war on terror, Fox News may now be among news outlets who have fallen under the spell of the Council on American-Islamic Relations' propaganda machine."

I watch Fox News daily.
Despite its #1 ranking in the ratings-

Much of Fox's programming is bad for people looking to have a fair and balanced view of the state of our union.

I regularly ponder why so many people are fans. I have drawn the following conclusions:

• They provide a whole lot of material to anyone who doesn't agree with the results of the last election and who is prone to getting angry about it
• They have a lot of unknown but extremely beautiful women reading the news and injecting fed up commentary throughout
• They utilize carefully and consistently placed icons/symbols typically associated with American patriotism and "Americana" and use rhetoric to match
• They make sweeping generalizations
• They demonize democrats
• Their production value, aestheticly speaking, is superior to anyone else
• They regularly quote people out of context
• They no longer shock me but continue to scare me (because they are so far out there sometimes)
• They scare their viewers (to keep them fed up, to keep them watching and as a call to action)

Geo, I would agree with this summation... plus you've observed even more points than I'd recognized.

For those of you out there who think it's only "liberals" who give out Thanks to this sort of post... I am proof that this is not the case.

Fox, and some of it's more strident devotees, are doing a great job of turning me off/away from my longtime party of registration. Just because I'm registered as a Republican does not automatically make me a fan of everything espoused by that party. Clearly I'm not a member of Fox' target audience regardless my party "affliciation".

I truly don't understand why we as citizens have to be registered with / attached to ANY party at all. Ever. For any vote... whether primary, general, or public opinion.

Seems about as pertinent as the person who once insisted on knowing my ethnic origin (albeit centuries ago) so they "slot" me: 'Ah... you're Scottish... no wonder moths fly out of your wallet on the rare occasions you open it'.

Ahh, liberals and their analogies. If anyone is wondering why no one is mentioning MSNBC in this conversation, its because no one watches MSNBC. I mean really, if you have Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, and Ed Shultz as your mascots, how much trash can you really talk about Fox?

comparison shopping the narrow minded aisle? thinking freely or parroting blondspeak?

Geo, I would agree with this summation... plus you've observed even more points than I'd recognized.

For those of you out there who think it's only "liberals" who give out Thanks to this sort of post... I am proof that this is not the case.

Fox, and some of it's more strident devotees, are doing a great job of turning me off/away from my longtime party of registration. Just because I'm registered as a Republican does not automatically make me a fan of everything espoused by that party. Clearly I'm not a member of Fox' target audience regardless my party "affliciation".

I truly don't understand why we as citizens have to be registered with / attached to ANY party at all. Ever. For any vote... whether primary, general, or public opinion.

Seems about as pertinent as the person who once insisted on knowing my ethnic origin (albeit centuries ago) so they "slot" me: 'Ah... you're Scottish... no wonder moths fly out of your wallet on the rare occasions you open it'.

i no longer recognize the republican party

i no longer recognize the republican party

Recognize, as in able to identify is from it usual characteristics... or ...acknowlege its actual existence at all?

He means he can't recognize it like you can't recognize a raccoon that was road kill for about a week.

Geo, I would agree with this summation... plus you've observed even more points than I'd recognized.

For those of you out there who think it's only "liberals" who give out Thanks to this sort of post... I am proof that this is not the case.

Fox, and some of it's more strident devotees, are doing a great job of turning me off/away from my longtime party of registration. Just because I'm registered as a Republican does not automatically make me a fan of everything espoused by that party. Clearly I'm not a member of Fox' target audience regardless my party "affliciation".

I truly don't understand why we as citizens have to be registered with / attached to ANY party at all. Ever. For any vote... whether primary, general, or public opinion.

Seems about as pertinent as the person who once insisted on knowing my ethnic origin (albeit centuries ago) so they "slot" me: 'Ah... you're Scottish... no wonder moths fly out of your wallet on the rare occasions you open it'.

This is a great point imo. I used to be a donor to the Republican party - now I won't even pick up the phone when I see them calling. I do however give money to individual candidates and some of those candidates are not the ones picked by the Republican party establishment.

I watch Fox News daily.
Despite its #1 ranking in the ratings-

Much of Fox's programming is bad for people looking to have a fair and balanced view of the state of our union.

:roll: Compared to what exactly.. ;-) MSNBC? CNN? Comedy Central? CBS? ABC? NBC? HBO? PBS? New York Times? L.A Times? NPR? Newsweek? Time? Anything owned by NBC or Time Warner?

The *only* main stream media outlet available that isn't slanted to the left is Fox. You, like all liberals, are frightened to death of the popularity of Fox. I get that. For ages your political party has had a controlling grip on the public's source of the news. But with the advent of the internet and the Fox network, your party has completely lost that control. I can understand why that might scare the bajeezus out of you (the fairness doctrine is a good example of just how far your party will go to regain that control) but in the grand scheme of things, this change is a *good* thing. The news available to people today is far more "fair and balanced" than it has ever been in our history.

:roll: Compared to what exactly.. ;-) MSNBC? CNN? Comedy Central? CBS? ABC? NBC? Bill Maher? Commedy Central? PBS? New York Times? L.A Times? NPR?

The *only* main stream media outlet available that isn't slanted to the left is Fox. You, like all liberals, are frightened to death of the popularity of Fox. I get that. For ages your political party has had a controlling grip on the public's source of the news. But with the advent of the internet and the Fox network, your party has completely lost that control. I can understand why that might scare the bajeezus out of you (the fairness doctrine is a good example of just how far your party will go to regain that control) but in the grand scheme of things, this change is a *good* thing. The news available to people today is far more "fair and balanced" than it has ever been in our history.

....yep, just as balanced as the Saudi prince and CAIR wants it to be....

Honestly, Fox only frightens me because of the power (see above) that it seems to hold over people. I cannot think of a single person that gets all agitated when CNN, MSNBC, NBC News, ABC News, CBS News or the Northwest Daily News is criticized, unless they are the owners. I don't see people feeling it is a threat to their liberty if I were to point out, for example, that for Anderson Cooper to give airtime to Brownie last night so that he could spout his halfwit opinions was just muckracking and an attempt to create a controversy, not real news.

Anyone? Anyone want to jump in here and act like I'm some sort of anti-American, anti-freedom wingnut for criticizing Anderson Cooper and CNN?

:roll: The news available to people today is far more "fair and balanced" than it has ever been in our history.

I'll take that with a grain of salt...

....yep, just as balanced as the Saudi prince and CAIR wants it to be....

Honestly, Fox only frightens me because of the power (see above) that it seems to hold over people. I cannot think of a single person that gets all agitated when CNN, MSNBC, NBC News, ABC News, CBS News or the Northwest Daily News is criticized, unless they are the owners. I don't see people feeling it is a threat to their liberty if I were to point out, for example, that for Anderson Cooper to give airtime to Brownie last night so that he could spout his halfwit opinions was just muckracking and an attempt to create a controversy, not real news.

Anyone? Anyone want to jump in here and act like I'm some sort of anti-American, anti-freedom wingnut for criticizing Anderson Cooper and CNN?

I agree with the "power over people" part, and unfortunately all too often the people over whom the power is held, are the very ones most adversely affected by the idealogy espoused by these so called news shows.

And the idea that Shopper has that the news is more fair and balanced now than ever before is ludricious.

Almost all the news agencies now are owned by corporations whether US or otherwise...the ratings which used to be only for entertainment purposes, are now used for newscasts as well--news has been relegated to the commerce side of the house--which is now the only side of the house.

It is truly a sign of our times and I believe it will prove to be detrimental to the country.

Yet, some people who have never known anything else think that it is okay...just as they think that deregulation of the financial industry, the airlines, the insurance industry, the drug industry, the oil companies, ad nauseum...

People need to think for themselves; turn off the television, do some research; and get involved in the process. Otherwise, someone whose only interest is profit for themselves, is the one who will be making the decisions for you, while you pay the bill at the gas pump, the store, the tax collectors office, the airline counter....

Our leaders believed the oil companies when they said the technology is so great now that it is safe to drill...and the masses are caught up in the "mob mentality" of the Palins of the world...while the Gulf is being destroyed by gushing oil...that no one knows how to stop! We have allowed a dangerous business to operate without even the semblance of a safety, recovery plan. We only have ourselves to blame for allowing the corporations to run roughshod over everything!

I think it is beyond disgusting that Anderson Cooper would offer "Brownie" a formum; who cares what he thinks? Yet, CNN is caught up in the same ratings games...apparently NBC offered him the same forum...do we really have nothing better to do with our time than watch this stuff?

The only way to stop it, is to turn off the television and stop purchasing anything from the sponsors...unfortunately, ratings and money are the only benchmarks of success these days, and thus, the only way to make a point and hope to make a difference with a television station or a business or industry.

if you are interested in having your voice heard: http://www.freepress.net/FutureOfMediaAction

Fox viewers are always chanting the network's catch phrases, "Fair and Balanced", "What say you?", "bloviating", "popinjay", and yet we're the ones drinking the koolaid. You don't see me quoting Jon Stewart except for occasionally I tell someone to go puck themself, but he didn't really invent that phrase. No doubt that the Fox News viewer's sense of self-worth and identity is tied up in that network, which is very sad.

our access to media is greater than ever and with a bit of due diligence it can be as fair and balanced as your willing to make it...

The people who don't like Fox news, it is those who wake up in the morning and when they look in the mirror, they don't see a reflection of the real America for which many brave men have sacrificed so we could maintain the freedom and protect the lives of our children. We fight against the rule of the socilist agenda against which our forefathers fought, and truth, which is what networks like Fox communicate and try to reach even those who refuse to listen. So that when I look out my window and see Russia, it is only from Alaska. Let us hope the the farmer in the heartland never looks out his window, or the good people of Arizona never has to see the illegal immigrants who seek to destroy this country with their hatred of our values.