I am becoming a disgruntled Obama supporter

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this is the first Socialist we?ve had in office who also despises capitalism and wants to bring this country down. And he?s accomplishing it.

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Well, if you want to know what the knee-jerk left is thinking, Salon is one of the first places to check. (MSNBC is the knee-jerk extreme left)

I hit a lot of news sites every day including both Fox News and Salon to try and sift through all of the positioning and find real facts. Its really hard to do on either of these sites.

Well, what you quoted is my own liberal opinion. I just happened to find a Salon item that expanded on it -- their quote is the one below.
and poll results are, by definition, opinions, not facts, so a poll is only as good as its interpretation.

Did you read the post above that includes the poll taken by Democrat operatives? According to their poll, I'm not alone in my thinking as 55 % of likely voters think Obama is a Socialist. Socialism is not democracy and is against capitalism.

Sarawind?You've answered that you agree with 55% of poll respondents that think the president is a socialist. But that doesn't answer the question you were asked. (Do you stand by the statement: "the president loathes our country and wants to bring it down." Or don't you?)

Even if the president were a openly-admitted socialist, he could love--not loathe-- the country and want to build it up?not bring it down. In fact, if he were a socialist, that would mean?by definition?that he believed that socialist policies would build up the country better than capitalistic policies.

Although capitalists and socialists disagree on means, they don't necessarily disagree on ends. It wouldn't be fair for a socialist to question your patriotism just because you preferred capitalist policies.

Whether or not the president is a socialist, he doesn't deserve to be demonized or to have his patriotism questioned. It does a disservice to him personally, his office, those who voted for him, those that support him, and all the Americans he represents.

Would you like to take one more stab at trying to answer the question clearly and unambiguously?

Do you stand by the statement: "the president loathes our country and wants to bring it down." Or don't you?

Ugabuga: Don't bother with Sarahwind. Besides her dispicable statement above, she has also stated earlier that "Leftist environmentalists were responsible for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill." People, like her, are so filled with hatred and bigotry that they will never try to see the truth.

Ugabuga: Don't bother with Sarahwind. Besides her dispicable statement above, she has also stated earlier that "Leftist environmentalists were responsible for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill." People, like her, are so filled with hatred and bigotry that they will never try to see the truth.

Do most posters let Sarawind rant & say all manner of outrageous things & not respond?

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ignoring has it's plusses


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Do most posters let Sarawind rant & say all manner of outrageous things & not respond?

I prefer not to reply to trolls directly, and I don't like to quote them because their verbiage contaminates my posts. I will counter their statements sometimes with new posts, but I prefer not to address them. It keeps it from getting personal but at the same time I can say what I think of their really warped ideas.

Ugabuga: Don't bother with Sarahwind. Besides her dispicable statement above, she has also stated earlier that "Leftist environmentalists were responsible for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill." People, like her, are so filled with hatred and bigotry that they will never try to see the truth.

You've also unwittingly described the progressive left during the Bush years.

You've also unwittingly described the progressive left during the Bush years.

It (the extreme hateful bashing) all started with the Clinton years.

All one has to do is read Obama's history, what little has been allowed to be out there, check out his "close friends" that he has surrounded himself with through his life and now in his White House, digest his words and actions since taking office, his willingness to go after those that disagree with him, his lack of respect to the American people who express in great numbers their unhappiness with some of his policies, his eagerness to ram down bills quickly that's content is cloudy, his willingness to use and abandon those that help him achieve office...his lack of religion...he went to a radical church for 20 years but since taking office...has he attended church regularly or been able to pick a new church? The man is speaking loudly, all one has to do is listen....he is telling us that he isn't the man we thought he was. Sometimes the "wrong" one gets elected, his "spots" don't appear until after the fact, and as a thinking voter, and an American, ignoring facts, and warning signs about an elected official just because he is a member of one's party or "team" is just as dangerous as the man himself. His promises of transparency and Hope were false, his promise of Change was false. His definition of Change is so different than mine. I don't know what Obama is, but I do KNOW he is not right for my country and I am going to do everything that I can to keep him from having four more years in the White House. That's the American way, if the leader isn't a true leader, you work to remove him.

We became very devisive under the Clinton Adminstration; I agree with that, Lucifer. Yzarctoo, it was mentioned to me that Mr. Obama and his family has not been to church (I don't know if since his Inauguration or not), but particularly on the High Christian Holidays of Easter and Christmas......or, Memorial Day Services. I haven't paid attention to this one's religious attendance, but presume our Presidents attend the National Cathedral (open to all) when in the White House or their church when back on their home turf. I am an 'each to his own' person, but if this is true, it does contradict his own statements of his beliefs and faith during his campaign.

I would prefer if I knew nothing about politicians' sexual preferences, sexual practices, religious beliefs (or lack thereof all of these)...

I would prefer if I knew nothing about politicians' sexual preferences, sexual practices, religious beliefs (or lack thereof all of these)...

...and that they knew nothing of mine.

We became very devisive under the Clinton Adminstration; I agree with that, Lucifer. Yzarctoo, it was mentioned to me that Mr. Obama and his family has not been to church (I don't know if since his Inauguration or not), but particularly on the High Christian Holidays of Easter and Christmas......or, Memorial Day Services. I haven't paid attention to this one's religious attendance, but presume our Presidents attend the National Cathedral (open to all) when in the White House or their church when back on their home turf. I am an 'each to his own' person, but if this is true, it does contradict his own statements of his beliefs and faith during his campaign.

The lack of religion is a plus for me, even if it means he contradicted earlier statments.

The lack of religion is a plus for me, even if it means he contradicted earlier statments.

I've been anxiously awaiting your statement and practically predicted it.......

Where did I ever make that claim? I make a simple statement of my views and you blow your stack. What's your problem?

Too bad. You are so quick, and have stated your lack of belief in a higher being often, that I had decided to give you the benefit of the doubt and delete my post. I did that but you had already answered it. I was unthoughtful and ill advised to post it. That said, you and the others who agree with your positions, should quit whining about how Obama is being treated when everyone of you, to the best of my recollection, treated Bush just as badly or worse.

Too bad. You are so quick, and have stated your lack of belief in a higher being often, that I had decided to give you the benefit of the doubt and delete my post. I did that but you had already answered it. I was unthoughtful and ill advised to post it. That said, you and the others who agree with your positions, should quit whining about how Obama is being treated when everyone of you, to the best of my recollection, treated Bush just as badly or worse.

Fair enough, I'll delete my reply. Just remember that we all state our beliefs (or lack) often whether they be religious, political or whatever.

It (the extreme hateful bashing) all started with the Clinton years.

Yes those were politically tumultuous times as well. I still remember Hillary's "right-wing conspiracy" interview, and the general ugliness of the Lewinski affair. As to which side was uglier or first or whatever, I really can't comment as my political hate speech experience only goes back around twenty years. I get the sense that this has been going on for ages but that today, through the internet echo chamber, things are more amplified.

I've actually been experimenting with tuning out political blogs as of late, and I'm finding life less stressful because of it.

Political divisiveness has been around as long as politics have been around. There was a lot of intense, unrelenting hate from the left during the Reagan years, so it truly did not start with Clinton's administration as it's always present in politics. Having different opinions and ideas and being able to express them is a freedom that may be slip sliding away as our centuries old American way of life is under attack.

Yes those were politically tumultuous times as well. I still remember Hillary's "right-wing conspiracy" interview, and the general ugliness of the Lewinski affair. As to which side was uglier or first or whatever, I really can't comment as my political hate speech experience only goes back around twenty years. I get the sense that this has been going on for ages but that today, through the internet echo chamber, things are more amplified.

I've actually been experimenting with tuning out political blogs as of late, and I'm finding life less stressful because of it.

Me too. Ignorance is blissful, indeed. My cable company in Atlanta has revamped their stations and I no longer have expanded - been about three weeks so far. I've been too busy to call them to discuss options. It's nice not having CNN, FOX, Weather Channel, who sensationalizes probably more than news channels. I get all the news I need from local at 6 and 11PM. Catch up with Y'all on oil, etc........life is good! And, simple! ;-)

I wish the cable companies would let us 'a la carte' stations we like. I'd be happy with my regular channels, HBO, Showtime and IFC.....am done with news!

You've also unwittingly described the progressive left during the Bush years.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I am SO tired of hearing this. 'Well, you bashed Bush so it is only fair'. Guess what? A LOT of us did not. I may have disagreed with policy but never played the hate game.

And joking about nucular is just that - a joke and funny That's about as "mean" as I get.

Do most posters let Sarawind rant & say all manner of outrageous things & not respond?

She/he is new to the forum and is full of lonnnnnnnnnnng posts and the more outrageous the better. It's ok to respond but - absolutely the best policy is ignore. Trolls do need to be fed. I'll stop feeding as of today

Gidget

Yes those were politically tumultuous times as well. I still remember Hillary's "right-wing conspiracy" interview, and the general ugliness of the Lewinski affair. As to which side was uglier or first or whatever, I really can't comment as my political hate speech experience only goes back around twenty years. I get the sense that this has been going on for ages but that today, through the internet echo chamber, things are more amplified.

I've actually been experimenting with tuning out political blogs as of late, and I'm finding life less stressful because of it.

Clinton's election was the first time that the opposition in such large numbers couldn't accept the outcome and denied the president's legitimacy, or so it seemed to me. They were ready to impeach him on day one, and for no reason.

She/he is new to the forum and is full of lonnnnnnnnnnng posts and the more outrageous the better. It's ok to respond but - absolutely the best policy is ignore. Trolls do need to be fed. I'll stop feeding as of today

Gidget

Not as new as you. I've been a member of this forum since 2005 and you since 2009. Didn't you just declare in a post on this thread that you're not mean? Wrongo. Calling me a troll is your way of lashing out because we differ politically and being mean in sheep's clothing This is beneath you, Gidget.

That said I've been a fan of your posts that aren't political and enjoy them, particularly the information about whats going on at the beach.

I'm making a general statement here not directed at any one individual...

Everybody who dares to venture into the political forum needs to be thick skinned or stay out. A lot of what gets tossed around in here as fact is actually opinion.
...and you know what they say about opinions...
They're like ***holes. Everybody has one.

That does not mean, however, that if a person's opinion differs from your own that it is incorrect. Get over it.

Discussions will always get heated in here. I have yet to see one poster ever change another's mind so don't get wigged out when you get challened by another with opposing beliefs.

Please try to keep it civil and never never get personal. That crosses the line.

I have said my peace or piece...however you want to look at it.

Carry on...