Did you hear...another broken promise by Obama has come to light...federal funded Abortions with the "new Obama Health Care" plan will be allowed in PA. Other state Health plans are lined up to use funds in the same way.
I believed he signed a special presidential proclamation that said that this wouldn't happen...it was this very "worthless paper promise" that got the Health Care bill passed in Congress.
Now we have another OBAMA Lie made to the American people to add to the growing list.....how can his supporters approve and still support a president who out and out lies like this to the American people? It is obvious that his personal word means nothing to him... how can you Obama supporters out in Sowal land overlook this lie made to the American people? Can you justify and defend this Obama lie or will you say it just doesn't mean anything?
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Beach Fanatic
My view may be a little left of center, but I personally feel that U.S. government sponsored (and paid for) abortions, "on demand," should be considered a basic human right, just like Healthcare. If you don't want an abortion, then just don't have one, and let the the womyn decide what is best for them and their health.
Beach Fanatic
Reading the posted article below one can interpret it to mean no abortions or yes, abortions. So typical of anything written up by a bunch of lawyers. There is alway weasel room. I read it as government giving money that it is unable to govern to a state that provides abortion on demand.
Groups Blast First Federal Funding of Abortions
Pro-life and social conservative groups are in an uproar over what they say is the first federal funding of elective abortion under the new health care legislation.
Fri, Jul. 16, 2010 Posted: 08:22 AM EDT
Pro-life and social conservative groups are in an uproar over what they say is the first federal funding of elective abortion under the new health care legislation.
The National Right to Life Committee accused the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services of approving Pennsylvania?s request for $160 million for a new ?high-risk? insurance program that will use federal funds to subsidize coverage of nearly all abortions before the 24th week of pregnancy.
Although the Pennsylvania plan on abortion states that ?elective abortions are not covered,? NRLC points out that the detailed plan neglects to define ?elective.? The Pennsylvania plan also elsewhere states that coverage includes abortions and contraceptives that fulfill requirements of several specific statutes. One of the statutes says that abortion is legal in Pennsylvania if a physician believes it is ?necessary? based on ?all factors (physical, emotional, psychological, familial and the woman?s age) relevant to the well-being of the woman.?
In the plan, there was only one circumstance under the Pennsylvania statute where an abortion was not allowed: if it is sought solely because of the sex of the unborn child.
?Under the Rendell-Sebelius plan, federal funds will subsidize coverage of abortion performed for any reason, except sex selection,? said Douglas Johnson, the legislative director of the NRLC, in a statement. ?The Pennsylvania proposal conspicuously lacks language that would prevent funding of abortions performed as a method of birth control or for any other reason, except sex selection ? and the Obama Administration has now approved this.?
Throughout the health care bill debate and even after it became law, pro-life groups have been convinced that the legislation has loopholes so that federal funds can be channeled to pay for elective abortions. Despite President Obama's and Democratic leaders? assurance that no federal tax dollars will pay for the procedure, pro-life groups believe the health care bill is the largest expansion of abortion since Roe v. Wade.
President Obama?s executive order to restrict federal funding of abortion under the new health care reform law did little to allay concerns. Pro-life groups dismissed the executive order saying it does not have the same force of law as those passed by Congress. Now with the Pennsylvania high-risk program federal funding, pro-life groups say they have proof they were right.
NRLC?s Douglas Johnson said the federal tax funds for Pennsylvania?s plan that ?will pay for insurance plans that cover any legal abortion? is the ?first proof of the phoniness? of President Obama?s promise that federal funds will not subsidize abortion.
Johnson also said the administration is ?quietly advancing? its abortion agenda through administrative decisions such as the Pennsylvania plan and hopes to avoid ?broad public attention.?
"I'm sad to see my own state of Pennsylvania cover abortion through the new high-risk insurance pool,? said Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.), according to Citizen Link. ?This clearly illustrates the need for strong legislative language to prevent federal funding for abortion coverage.?
The Pennsylvania Insurance Department, however, released a statement Thursday afternoon denying that it would use federal funds for the high-risk insurance program to pay for abortions. The department said the likelihood that someone in the program, which targets the ?sickest of the sick,? would need an abortion is ?remote.? However, if someone in the program did seek an abortion the person would have to pay for it themselves.
Likewise, the DHHS released a brief statement that said in Pennsylvania and other states abortions will not be covered in the Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan except in the cases of rape, incest or when the life of the mother is in danger.
Groups Blast First Federal Funding of Abortions
Pro-life and social conservative groups are in an uproar over what they say is the first federal funding of elective abortion under the new health care legislation.
Fri, Jul. 16, 2010 Posted: 08:22 AM EDT
Pro-life and social conservative groups are in an uproar over what they say is the first federal funding of elective abortion under the new health care legislation.
The National Right to Life Committee accused the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services of approving Pennsylvania?s request for $160 million for a new ?high-risk? insurance program that will use federal funds to subsidize coverage of nearly all abortions before the 24th week of pregnancy.
Although the Pennsylvania plan on abortion states that ?elective abortions are not covered,? NRLC points out that the detailed plan neglects to define ?elective.? The Pennsylvania plan also elsewhere states that coverage includes abortions and contraceptives that fulfill requirements of several specific statutes. One of the statutes says that abortion is legal in Pennsylvania if a physician believes it is ?necessary? based on ?all factors (physical, emotional, psychological, familial and the woman?s age) relevant to the well-being of the woman.?
In the plan, there was only one circumstance under the Pennsylvania statute where an abortion was not allowed: if it is sought solely because of the sex of the unborn child.
?Under the Rendell-Sebelius plan, federal funds will subsidize coverage of abortion performed for any reason, except sex selection,? said Douglas Johnson, the legislative director of the NRLC, in a statement. ?The Pennsylvania proposal conspicuously lacks language that would prevent funding of abortions performed as a method of birth control or for any other reason, except sex selection ? and the Obama Administration has now approved this.?
Throughout the health care bill debate and even after it became law, pro-life groups have been convinced that the legislation has loopholes so that federal funds can be channeled to pay for elective abortions. Despite President Obama's and Democratic leaders? assurance that no federal tax dollars will pay for the procedure, pro-life groups believe the health care bill is the largest expansion of abortion since Roe v. Wade.
President Obama?s executive order to restrict federal funding of abortion under the new health care reform law did little to allay concerns. Pro-life groups dismissed the executive order saying it does not have the same force of law as those passed by Congress. Now with the Pennsylvania high-risk program federal funding, pro-life groups say they have proof they were right.
NRLC?s Douglas Johnson said the federal tax funds for Pennsylvania?s plan that ?will pay for insurance plans that cover any legal abortion? is the ?first proof of the phoniness? of President Obama?s promise that federal funds will not subsidize abortion.
Johnson also said the administration is ?quietly advancing? its abortion agenda through administrative decisions such as the Pennsylvania plan and hopes to avoid ?broad public attention.?
"I'm sad to see my own state of Pennsylvania cover abortion through the new high-risk insurance pool,? said Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.), according to Citizen Link. ?This clearly illustrates the need for strong legislative language to prevent federal funding for abortion coverage.?
The Pennsylvania Insurance Department, however, released a statement Thursday afternoon denying that it would use federal funds for the high-risk insurance program to pay for abortions. The department said the likelihood that someone in the program, which targets the ?sickest of the sick,? would need an abortion is ?remote.? However, if someone in the program did seek an abortion the person would have to pay for it themselves.
Likewise, the DHHS released a brief statement that said in Pennsylvania and other states abortions will not be covered in the Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan except in the cases of rape, incest or when the life of the mother is in danger.
SoWal Expert
The Pennsylvania Insurance Department, however, released a statement Thursday afternoon denying that it would use federal funds for the high-risk insurance program to pay for abortions. The department said the likelihood that someone in the program, which targets the ?sickest of the sick,? would need an abortion is ?remote.? However, if someone in the program did seek an abortion the person would have to pay for it themselves.
Likewise, the DHHS released a brief statement that said in Pennsylvania and other states abortions will not be covered in the Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan except in the cases of rape, incest or when the life of the mother is in danger.
That was really long, so I edited it down for you.
Beach Fanatic
Don't you think the Queen who loves truth should also have edited out the part that states the opposite? Once government gives money, dear Queen, it cannot be controlled, watched or governed. Take Medicare fraud, take Welfare Fraud, on and on ad nauseam.
Although the Pennsylvania plan on abortion states that ?elective abortions are not covered,? NRLC points out that the detailed plan neglects to define ?elective.? The Pennsylvania plan also elsewhere states that coverage includes abortions and contraceptives that fulfill requirements of several specific statutes. One of the statutes says that abortion is legal in Pennsylvania if a physician believes it is ?necessary? based on ?all factors (physical, emotional, psychological, familial and the woman?s age) relevant to the well-being of the woman.?
Although the Pennsylvania plan on abortion states that ?elective abortions are not covered,? NRLC points out that the detailed plan neglects to define ?elective.? The Pennsylvania plan also elsewhere states that coverage includes abortions and contraceptives that fulfill requirements of several specific statutes. One of the statutes says that abortion is legal in Pennsylvania if a physician believes it is ?necessary? based on ?all factors (physical, emotional, psychological, familial and the woman?s age) relevant to the well-being of the woman.?
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SoWal Insider
My view may be a little left of center, but I personally feel that U.S. government sponsored (and paid for) abortions, "on demand," should be considered a basic human right, just like Healthcare. If you don't want an abortion, then just don't have one, and let the the womyn decide what is best for them and their health.
How can you have a "basic human right" that relies on someone else performing a serivice for you? Your view of the world is completely off kilter my friend.
That's like saying "a free pot of someone elses gold" should be a basic human right. It's just silly.
Beach FanaticAuthor
Here you go...this link was shared with me...so thought I would share it with you who questioned my opinion and lack of "footnotes" to back up my original opinion. I'm sure that some of you will still find fault...and still poo poo the link...just like you do with many Sowal political posters but here you go.
The Obamacare Abortion Lie Is Up - Kathryn Jean Lopez - The Corner on National Review Online===
The Obamacare Abortion Lie Is Up - Kathryn Jean Lopez - The Corner on National Review Online===
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The title of this thread was changed from "Federal Funded Obama Abortions". A title like that is considered trolling. The original post is also trolling. You can try to deflect by calling it your opinion, but it is an obvious attempt to create conflict, rather than respectful discussion about an extremely important and extremely sensitive topic.
If you don't get what I am saying then you probably never will, and should find a "real political forum", where people are expected to be offensive and inflammatory.
If you would like to start a new thread about this topic in a kind, respectful, and heartfelt way, we would welcome that.
And yes, there have been plenty of thread titles changed on this forum from trolls on both sides.
If you don't get what I am saying then you probably never will, and should find a "real political forum", where people are expected to be offensive and inflammatory.
If you would like to start a new thread about this topic in a kind, respectful, and heartfelt way, we would welcome that.
And yes, there have been plenty of thread titles changed on this forum from trolls on both sides.
SoWal Expert
Here you go...this link was shared with me...so thought I would share it with you who questioned my opinion and lack of "footnotes" to back up my original opinion. I'm sure that some of you will still find fault...and still poo poo the link...just like you do with many Sowal political posters but here you go.
The Obamacare Abortion Lie Is Up - Kathryn Jean Lopez - The Corner on National Review Online===
Wow, the home page of that site is quite interesting.
Beach Fanatic
Wow, the home page of that site is quite interesting.
The National Review was taken over by NeoCons about 10 years ago (NeoCons are the save-the-world-for-democracy folks that brought us Iraq Part Deux.)
OTOH: They do a nice job of blasting Ken Salazar, the Interior Secretary who allowed the Deepwater Horizon to happen on his watch. Unfortunately, that isn't what they blast him for.
SoWal Insider
I don't think I've heard of an abortion because of gender of the fetus? YIKES!!
Beach Fanatic
I don't think I've heard of an abortion because of gender of the fetus? YIKES!!
I don't know that it is technically legal in China, but I think it happens pretty routinely there.
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