Tea Party Caucus Puts Republicans in the Hot Seat
A lot of Republicans have been paying lip service to the Tea Party movement, but with November on the horizon, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann says that it's time to get more serious. Without warning top GOP brass, last week Bachmann set up the Tea Party caucus?the movement's first congressional institution. Now, the Tea Party darling wants to know who's going to join it. Indiana Rep. Mike Pence is in, Politico says, but Minority Leader John Boehner doesn't want anything to do with it, and Virginia Rep. Eric Cantor is still on the fence. The caucus, Politico speculates, threatens to put GOPers in a tricky situation. By forcing Republicans to formalize their relationship to the controversial movement, the caucus could alienate moderate voters and become a "loaded political weapon for Republicans heading into the midterm elections." This, perhaps, is why Democratic leaders congratulated Bachmann on the move. With the help of Sarah Palin, Bachmann has become one of the movement's rising stars and is helping it gain credibility in the eyes of the public. According to a new Politico poll, thanks in part to Bachmann, nearly a quarter of the public thinks that the movement "will become a viable third party in American politics."
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63Beach FanaticAuthor
You are a great one to be telling anybody to take their meds! .... the Tea Party...stands for smaller government, less spending, common sense, moral values, states rights, individual responsibility and those kind of things with which you do not seem familar. It also includes fair taxation. Talking to you, LS, Poppy, AC and a few others is like talking to a brick wall. There are many on SoWal who are liberal but can listen and evaluate during the discussions. Then there are others who cannot.
I join you & the Tea Party--in general--in support of smaller government, less spending, common sense, moral values, states rights, individual responsibility and those kind of things..." with the caveat that Sometimes government needs to be expanded for good & cogent reasons, & Sometimes government needs to spend more.
I hope you'd agree that cutting spending indiscriminately and/or reducing the size of government indiscriminately would not do.
I'm not for larger government for its own sake or because it is intrinsically better. I'm not for more spending for its own sake or because it's intrinsically better.
You & the Tea Party take a courageous stand in being for common sense, moral values, and individual responsibility--but, you know, I think you're right--I'm going to join you in supporting these things too--I don't care what my liberal friends might think!
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Andy, thx for pointing out that not all liberals are identical. And thx for saying the same of conservatives. There were too many generalizations flying around.
I have a hard time believing that masses of people who voted for Obama last time around would vote for Palin this time around because they are disappointed with him.
If the GOP puts a solid candidate in there- a moderate then the independents and many dems will follow and he or she will likely win.
Talk to dems and independents who voted for Obama. I'd venture to guess the vast majority of them would cast their vote against Palin- which would count for Obama.
I have a hard time believing that masses of people who voted for Obama last time around would vote for Palin this time around because they are disappointed with him.
If the GOP puts a solid candidate in there- a moderate then the independents and many dems will follow and he or she will likely win.
Talk to dems and independents who voted for Obama. I'd venture to guess the vast majority of them would cast their vote against Palin- which would count for Obama.
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I have a hard time believing that masses of people who voted for Obama last time around would vote for Palin this time around because they are disappointed with him.
Talk to dems and independents who voted for Obama. I'd venture to guess the vast majority of them would cast their vote against Palin- which would count for Obama.
Today, I read that Obama would lose the election running against any republican. Independents, men and many democrats are deserting the ship. No presidential election can be won without the vote from men.
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Andy, thx for pointing out that not all liberals are identical. And thx for saying the same of conservatives. There were too many generalizations flying around.
I have a hard time believing that masses of people who voted for Obama last time around would vote for Palin this time around because they are disappointed with him.
If the GOP puts a solid candidate in there- a moderate then the independents and many dems will follow and he or she will likely win.
Talk to dems and independents who voted for Obama. I'd venture to guess the vast majority of them would cast their vote against Palin- which would count for Obama.
Yes it was disturbing enough that she might be one heartbeat away from the presidency. That was was enough to turn voters away from the McCain/Palin ticket.
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BeckyBee, i read similar things. Thankfully I don't believe everything I read. 
I believe that Obama would lose today to a GOP candidate*
*excluding Palin
I believe that Obama would lose today to a GOP candidate*
*excluding Palin
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There is something I just flat don't understand. Why all this hate, and you sensibly can call it nothing else, against Sarah Palin? I am not a great supporter and if McCain had had a different running mate he might have won but his campaign was so poorly operated I doubt it. Nevertheless, regardless of what the political subject in the forum, it seems eventually to get around to "lets knock Sarah time". Some of you need to find a new whipping boy..er girl.
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Let me try this-
Think about Sowal posters. Think of the ones u agree with politically. Think of the ones you disagree with.
Think of the ones you disagree with but still like. They are respectful. They seek to understand and to be understood. They aren't snarky or sarcastic. They avoid disingenuous communication. They try to build bridges and seek common ground.
Think of the ones you disagree with that you don't particularly care for. They are mean spirited, snarky, sarcastic and communicate disingenuously. They believe those who disagree have something wrong with them. They want to make fun of folks who disagree with them. Label them.
If Sarah Palin was a Sowal poster, I believe she would fall into this last category. I could only get behind someone I don't agree with if they fell into the other category.
Does this make any sense, Andy?
Think about Sowal posters. Think of the ones u agree with politically. Think of the ones you disagree with.
Think of the ones you disagree with but still like. They are respectful. They seek to understand and to be understood. They aren't snarky or sarcastic. They avoid disingenuous communication. They try to build bridges and seek common ground.
Think of the ones you disagree with that you don't particularly care for. They are mean spirited, snarky, sarcastic and communicate disingenuously. They believe those who disagree have something wrong with them. They want to make fun of folks who disagree with them. Label them.
If Sarah Palin was a Sowal poster, I believe she would fall into this last category. I could only get behind someone I don't agree with if they fell into the other category.
Does this make any sense, Andy?
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Today, I read that Obama would lose the election running against any republican. Independents, men and many democrats are deserting the ship. No presidential election can be won without the vote from men.
One thing to consider is that there are some who voted for Obama who now think he is too far to the right, too conservative, too much like a Republican. You heard that right. They are a bit angry and disappointed right now, and they speak out against him. Come election time though, they will have nowhere else to turn.
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Let me try this-Geo, it made a lot of sense up until the last paragraph.
Think about Sowal posters. Think of the ones u agree with politically. Think of the ones you disagree with.
Think of the ones you disagree with but still like. They are respectful. They seek to understand and to be understood. They aren't snarky or sarcastic. They avoid disingenuous communication. They try to build bridges and seek common ground.
Think of the ones you disagree with that you don't particularly care for. They are mean spirited, snarky, sarcastic and communicate disingenuously. They believe those who disagree have something wrong with them. They want to make fun of folks who disagree with them. Label them.
If Sarah Palin was a Sowal poster, I believe she would fall into this last category. I could only get behind someone I don't agree with if they fell into the other category.
Does this make any sense, Andy?
I really don't see Sarah as "mean spirited, snarky,...Label them." What I see, is someone trying to rally her base and point out the many, many errors prevalent in her opinion, in the opposition, whoever it may be. I think, where major issues and the stand on them is concerned, Sarah is right on, and that, Geo, is probably where you, I and Sarah disagree.
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You, like every other liberal on this board, have absolutely no inkling of what the Tea Party is all about nor how it functions......stands for common sense, moral values..... individual responsibility and those kind of things with which you do not seem familar..
These are the things that bother me about your post Andy. In particular the idea somehow that those who are not affiliated with the Tea Party have no common sense, no moral values and don't want to take any individual responsibility.
I'd like to know what you mean by those things in particular - common sense and moral values.
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You are a great one to be telling anybody to take their meds! You, like every other liberal on this board, have absolutely no inkling of what the Tea Party is all about nor how it functions. I am not going to try and explain it to you as I will assume that you are bright enough to research it for yourself. Suffice it to say that it stands for smaller government, less spending, common sense, moral values, states rights, individual responsibility and those kind of things with which you do not seem familar. It also includes fair taxation. Talking to you, LS, Poppy, AC and a few others is like talking to a brick wall. There are many on SoWal who are liberal but can listen and evaluate during the discussions. Then there are others who cannot. The same goes for conservatives but not so much because there are so few of them. I have kept quiet as long as I could regarding all the rhetoric that has transpired in this thread and at least one other regarding the Tea Party but I finally reached my limit. The Walton County Tea Party is called the Tea Party Patriots. If you really want to know what they are all about, instead of voicing unknowing opinions, attend one of their meetings at 6:00 PM at the South Walton Library annex on the 2nd Thursday of each month. You'll find people, much like you, interested in our community, state and federal government and how they are run.
One thing more. We are not racist. The Tea Party strongly supports Mike Hill, a candidate for the Florida House. He is a small business owner, an Air Force Academy graduate, a Conservative and he is black. He will make a wonderful representative.
Andy will you tell me more about your black friends and teach me to be non judgemental like you? Oh, and define all those things in bold type for me please.
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Andy, seriously? Her campaign stump speech was so nasty. Very mean spirited. The whole "how's that hopey changey thing workin out forya" sarcastic attitude.
Yes, she's doing it to play to her base and mobilize folks who agree with her and seem to genuinely dislike those who don't. But it does nothing to win votes from those who don't-
which is my point. Just because folks who voted for Obama are fed up with Obama doesn't mean they would vote for someone who pretty much demonized them and their views.
Tea partiers should be able to find someone who is a bit more of a uniter who stands for the same cornerstones u mentioned previously.
Yes, she's doing it to play to her base and mobilize folks who agree with her and seem to genuinely dislike those who don't. But it does nothing to win votes from those who don't-
which is my point. Just because folks who voted for Obama are fed up with Obama doesn't mean they would vote for someone who pretty much demonized them and their views.
Tea partiers should be able to find someone who is a bit more of a uniter who stands for the same cornerstones u mentioned previously.
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Andy, seriously? Her campaign stump speech was so nasty. Very mean spirited. The whole "how's that hopey changey thing workin out forya" sarcastic attitude.Geo, she is only one member of the Tea Party. There are hundreds of thousands of us, now, and no, we are not just Republicans, we are concerned citizens. Every political group has those not liked by many and those adored by many. The generalizations I made in an earlier post need no explanation if you are in the least bit intelligent. They are pretty self evident and all on SoWal can figure them out if they wish to do so.
Yes, she's doing it to play to her base and mobilize folks who agree with her and seem to genuinely dislike those who don't. But it does nothing to win votes from those who don't-
which is my point. Just because folks who voted for Obama are fed up with Obama doesn't mean they would vote for someone who pretty much demonized them and their views.
Tea partiers should be able to find someone who is a bit more of a uniter who stands for the same cornerstones u mentioned previously.
Beach Lover
Nuetral. The TP folk will neither help nor hinder. They are simply the base of the Republican Party with a trendy, catchy name to try and sound "new and improved"-- there is no difference from any other time in their history-- they are just now more clever at the way they are able to both accommodate and incite their more racist factions than ever before, although they are not willing to admit it publically.
Do you get your "racist labeling verbage" from the defunct Journolist group?
Beach Lover
These are the things that bother me about your post Andy. In particular the idea somehow that those who are not affiliated with the Tea Party have no common sense, no moral values and don't want to take any individual responsibility.
I'd like to know what you mean by those things in particular - common sense and moral values.
Just agree Miss Gidget, the Tea Party folks don't represent your political feelings...they stand for all you dislike. They want things for America that you don't, they don't like to be taxed to death, (maybe you do) or have their elected officials ignore they wishes or thumb their noses at them, but most of all they don't like the direction that Obama is taking the country under his leadership. They are looking for a change, just not the one that Obama has in mind.
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Do you get your "racist labeling verbage" from the defunct Journolist group?
My, my, Grammy, you're up late!
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Andy, seriously? Her campaign stump speech was so nasty. Very mean spirited. The whole "how's that hopey changey thing workin out forya" sarcastic attitude.
Mr. Geo, the above statement from Sarah, was right on. She knew her audience, she knew who she was speaking too, she knew that most if not all them were thinking the same think and she knew their answer. Your Obama has a mean spirited way with his words, he plays to the crowd and is always making digs at the Republicans, and loves to diss Bush and anyone else that ticks him off. I think that he has a real mean and get even streak under that cool calm person he tries to project. The man got where he is by playing dirty politics and you are calling Sarah out for her hopey changey comment?
Beach Lover
My, my, Grammy, you're up late!
Dial Up works better late night...plus the daughter has hit the sack... I can smoke and enjoy my scotch without her hovering or fussing at me.
Sweet dreams Ugabuga!
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Well if nothing else, the Tea Party puts Republicans on the defensive. I don't see how that could possibly be a good thing.
Mr. Lucifer, surely this is a typo on your part...didn't you mean to say, the Tea Party puts Democrats on the defensive?
Had to control my keyboarding urge to not type run instead of defensive.
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Mr. Lucifer, surely this is a typo on your part...didn't you mean to say, the Tea Party puts Democrats on the defensive?
Had to control my keyboarding urge to not type run instead of defensive.
The Democrats have plenty worth defending. The Republicans have zilch, and are in the unenviable position of having to brush aside deplorable and ignorant behavior of their spin-off cult group because they will need the electors in the next presidential election.
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Just agree Miss Gidget, the Tea Party folks don't represent your political feelings...they stand for all you dislike. They want things for America that you don't, they don't like to be taxed to death, (maybe you do) or have their elected officials ignore they wishes or thumb their noses at them, but most of all they don't like the direction that Obama is taking the country under his leadership. They are looking for a change, just not the one that Obama has in mind.

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Andy will you tell me more about your black friends and teach me to be non judgemental like you? Oh, and define all those things in bold type for me please.Poppy, I'll be happy to tell you more about my black friends. One of my closest buddies I flew with is black. We've been friends for 40 years. Right now, I'm sitting next to a little girl who is mad at me because I won't let her on this computer. (She is on her own but wants on this one...you know how 12 year old grandkids are) My other two grand daughters are also around here somewhere. All three of them are half African-American (a term I hate by the way...why can't we just be Armerican?). Now, maybe you can tell me about your black friends?
As far as being non judgemental, I totally realize I am anything but, and proud of it. Oh, and if I need to define all those things in bold type for you, you are not nearly as bright as I gave you credit for being.
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The Democrats have plenty worth defending. The Republicans have zilch, and are in the unenviable position of having to brush aside deplorable and ignorant behavior of their spin-off cult group because they will need the electors in the next presidential election.
Defend something. The race card is not working against the Tea Party people. The truth always wins. Something little devils never seen to grasp

Beach Lover
The Democrats have plenty worth defending. The Republicans have zilch, and are in the unenviable position of having to brush aside deplorable and ignorant behavior of their spin-off cult group because they will need the electors in the next presidential election.
Lucifer ...you are real a piece of work as my grama use to say...you sure do put yourself high up there on that judgement ladder, calling folks and groups ignorant and deplorable. Keep making your snide little remarks and when your ladder topples don't let it hit your backside on the way down.

Beach Lover
Gidget! Gidget! Disrespecting an old Grammy.
Mooning, hun?
Real Cute sweetie.
I guess now you are pushing moon power along with your Solar Power.
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