Racist Anti-Mosquers

In doing a search for benevolence from Iraq, I can't find anything. The education system was good for a very short period and began a quick decline when SoDamn Insane announced war against Iran in the 80's. Then, with his invasion of Kuwait, the entire country began to deteriorate very quickly. Imposed sanctions by the UN led to more restrictions on Insane's budget, however Iraq never had more than 6% of its GDP allocated for education. And, when it did crest 6%, it was for only a year or two at best.

And, while his right hand man was a Christian, I don't think the world can forget what a tyrant he was and how the citizens of Iraq feared him. The history of this man's reign produces nothing but evil, assassinations of anyone who remotely opposed him, genocide against his own people and all of this for oil, wealth and power.

He led his country to attack his neighboring countries and brought the demise upon himself and his citizens. Yes, I am certain, there are some Iraqis who revere him. There are many who did not. I am not posting this to defend anyone, but simply so the other side is remembered.

Saddam Hussein was an evil man. Period. This cannot be refuted.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/30/world/middleeast/30saddam.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2

Countries that spend the most on education

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Iraq]Education in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

nah the schools were great. Iraq was a paradise.

It's over now so why all the fuss?

While we can't defend the invasion led by the United States, we absolutely cannot defend the actions of SoDamn Insane against the people of Iraq or that anything he did was for the good of those people. That's la-la land for certain.

In doing a search for benevolence from Iraq, I can't find anything. The education system was good for a very short period and began a quick decline when SoDamn Insane announced war against Iran in the 80's. Then, with his invasion of Kuwait, the entire country began to deteriorate very quickly. Imposed sanctions by the UN led to more restrictions on Insane's budget, however Iraq never had more than 6% of its GDP allocated for education. And, when it did crest 6%, it was for only a year or two at best.

And, while his right hand man was a Christian, I don't think the world can forget what a tyrant he was and how the citizens of Iraq feared him. The history of this man's reign produces nothing but evil, assassinations of anyone who remotely opposed him, genocide against his own people and all of this for oil, wealth and power.

He led his country to attack his neighboring countries and brought the demise upon himself and his citizens. Yes, I am certain, there are some Iraqis who revere him. There are many who did not. I am not posting this to defend anyone, but simply so the other side is remembered.

Saddam Hussein was an evil man. Period. This cannot be refuted.

I was adressing the possibility of secular states with large Muslim population. It wasn't an endorsement of Saddam, although at this point we're supposed to be pulling for Iraq, at least I think. [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_secularism]Islam and secularism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] Saddam belonged to the Baath party which is mentioned in the article. [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baath_Party]Ba'ath Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

What is the justification for the folks burning construction equipment and vandalizing a mosque FAR from Ground Zero or any events connected to 9-11?

I was adressing the possibility of secular states with large Muslim population. It wasn't an endorsement of Saddam, although at this point we're supposed to be pulling for Iraq, at least I think. Islam and secularism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Saddam belonged to the Baath party which is mentioned in the article. Ba'ath Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I understand completely your point, but it's hard for me to grasp that Hussein was a true proponent of secularism. Was it a facade? Because there was so much oppression with his 'freedom.' You know?

I understand completely your point, but it's hard for me to grasp that Hussein was a true proponent of secularism. Was it a facade? Because there was so much oppression with his 'freedom.' You know?

I don't think he was a big proponent. I think he personally was not a fundamentalist and I don't think he gave such issues a lot of priority. It sound like the Baath party has it's roots in Naziism, so yes he was very oppressive. Still, I often think places like Saudi Arabia have got to be at least as oppressive if not more so.

I don't think he was a big proponent. I think he personally was not a fundamentalist and I don't think he gave such issues a lot of priority. It sound like the Baath party has it's roots in Naziism, so yes he was very oppressive. Still, I often think places like Saudi Arabia have got to be at least as oppressive if not more so.

Without a doubt. But, they are smart to maintain global relations despite restricting their borders.

What is the justification for the folks burning construction equipment and vandalizing a mosque FAR from Ground Zero or any events connected to 9-11?

First I've heard about it, and probably cannot justify it if it's true. Those damn Americans are always burning sh_t. Football games, basket ball games, trials with the wrong verdict, mosque building, damn building, road building, prankster/gangsta, and so on.

While I realize some won't read this because of its source, for those who are intersted, it is a thoughtful piece:
We Are Not Invisible | Mother Jones

Yet they ignore the words of President George Washington, who, in a letter to the Jews of Newport, Rhode Island, declared that the United States, "gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens." They also ignore George W. Bush's reminder that Muslims thrive in countries like the United States "not in spite of their faith, but because of it." American conservatives spoke out in support of the Iranian youth who took to the streets and rooftops of Tehran to protest their government by chanting "Allahu Akbar," God is great. But popular opinion in America would not permit those same youth to pray in the vicinity of the World Trade Center even though the heinous act committed there had nothing to do with them.

"popular opinion" ? It is just one opinion and last time I checked, people in America have a right to protest something which they don't think is right.

Great article!

"But I am also an American, born in California with no other home in the world. I, like my fellow Muslims, love this country and have firm roots here. Spit on me and my faith if it makes you feel better, but our Constitution has given me my seat. I refuse to move to the back of the bus."

Yes Koa, you have the right to protest what you do not think is right. But the big question is "Why do you think this is not right?"

That's what I am protesting - that it is in any way okay to condemn an entire religion and dismiss their basic rights as Americans when they aren't doing anything wrong or breaking any laws.

I don't care whether or not the mosque is built. I don't live in NYC. They have the right to build it if they meet local government rules and regulations. Some people are so busy saying that the Muslims have the right to build and reminding us about the constitution, but slamming the protesters, who have an equal right to protest. I'm just reminding you of the other side of what America stands for, the other half of Amendment 1, which some people don't seem to care about.

Someone is actually putting THEIR money where their mouth is - Trump has offered to buy the property for 25% more than what they paid.

Trump offers to buy out NYC mosque investor - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com

Donald Trump is offering to buy out one of the major investors in the real estate partnership that controls the site near ground zero where a Muslim group wants to build a 13-story Islamic center and mosque.

Trump says he's making the offer not because he thinks the location is spectacular but because it would end "a very serious, inflammatory, and highly divisive situation." :clap:

You can't believe anything Trump says or does. He's one of those EVIL RICH WHITE RACISTS.:sarc:

Yet the only one of the many rich people/groups biatching about the issue who has offered to buy the property. ;-)