It was supposed to be an event to reclaim civil rights. Then it was billed as one to restore honor. And from what I'm reading it played more like a religious revival under the guise of saluting our troops.
Questions for folks who get Beck and his big event today-
From exactly whom is his movement reclaiming civil rights (and for whom). And who exactly became or made the country dishonorable and who exactly would be restoring honor- when and how?
I'm not in attack mode- just looking to be informed so pls take your sharp teeth out and dumb this down for me- cuz I'm not in synch with what tens of thousands and many more who didn't attend evidently understand.
Thank you.
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Beach Fanatic
I googled it and it basically was about restoring values that our nation was founded on.
That's a good thing.
He seems to be calling for citizens that embody our nation's founding principles of integrity, truth, and honor.
Some people have a problem with the speakers, which I understand, but even if a donkey spoke this message it's still a good thing to aspire to, right?
EVENT DESCRIPTION
Throughout history America has seen many great leaders and noteworthy citizens change her course. It is through their personal virtues and by their example that we are able to live as a free people. On August 28, come celebrate America by honoring our heroes, our heritage and our future.
Join the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and many more for this non-political event that pays tribute to America?s service personnel and other upstanding citizens who embody our nation?s founding principles of integrity, truth and honor.
Our freedom is possible only if we remain virtuous. Help us restore the values that founded this great nation. On August, 28th, come join us in our pledge to restore honor at the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC.
Restoring Honor - 8.28.10
I don't understand why people are dissing Geo, sounds like standing bitterness, grudges. I like someone that states what they're thinking in an honest way like he does. He doesn't put on airs. What's wrong with that?
That's a good thing.
He seems to be calling for citizens that embody our nation's founding principles of integrity, truth, and honor.
Some people have a problem with the speakers, which I understand, but even if a donkey spoke this message it's still a good thing to aspire to, right?
EVENT DESCRIPTION
Throughout history America has seen many great leaders and noteworthy citizens change her course. It is through their personal virtues and by their example that we are able to live as a free people. On August 28, come celebrate America by honoring our heroes, our heritage and our future.
Join the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and many more for this non-political event that pays tribute to America?s service personnel and other upstanding citizens who embody our nation?s founding principles of integrity, truth and honor.
Our freedom is possible only if we remain virtuous. Help us restore the values that founded this great nation. On August, 28th, come join us in our pledge to restore honor at the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC.
Restoring Honor - 8.28.10
I don't understand why people are dissing Geo, sounds like standing bitterness, grudges. I like someone that states what they're thinking in an honest way like he does. He doesn't put on airs. What's wrong with that?
Beach Fanatic
Beck's transformation to religious leader continues:
FOXNews.com - Beck Amends 'Obama is Racist' Charge, Questions President's Belief in 'Collective Salvation'
It's not that he thinks the President is a racist, it's just that they have differing theologies.
Watch - everything he says now will have some mention of God and faith. This may make him a billionaire.
Palin referred to him yesterday as "Dr. Glen Beck". And so it begins....
FOXNews.com - Beck Amends 'Obama is Racist' Charge, Questions President's Belief in 'Collective Salvation'
It's not that he thinks the President is a racist, it's just that they have differing theologies.
Watch - everything he says now will have some mention of God and faith. This may make him a billionaire.
Palin referred to him yesterday as "Dr. Glen Beck". And so it begins....
Beach Fanatic
Whatever you think about the event, apparently 100-200 thousand people agree with Beck enough to attend. I found this article interesting:
Glenn Beck rally: A warning to Obama and Democrats? - CSMonitor.com
From what I have read this was a "feel good" event and was non-political in nature. I just hope the same crowd and more show up September 12, 2010 for the tea party rally.
9/12 Taxpayer March on Washington - 2010 | FreedomWorks
Glenn Beck rally: A warning to Obama and Democrats? - CSMonitor.com
From what I have read this was a "feel good" event and was non-political in nature. I just hope the same crowd and more show up September 12, 2010 for the tea party rally.
9/12 Taxpayer March on Washington - 2010 | FreedomWorks
SoWal Insider
This may be the single most elitist, prejudiced post I have ever read on this forum. The tea party is a reaction to trillions of dollars of deficit spending that is mortgaging our children's future, government intrusion into our personal business (Obamacare) and out of control spending promoted by both political parties. But why let the truth get in the way of a good liberal chant.the formation of the tea party and timing of the protest comes after the election of a black democrat. your assertion is valid only if you deny that fact. deficit doubling and tea bag angst is the domain of the dummy gop.
Beach Fanatic
Beck's transformation to religious leader continues:
FOXNews.com - Beck Amends 'Obama is Racist' Charge, Questions President's Belief in 'Collective Salvation'
It's not that he thinks the President is a racist, it's just that they have differing theologies.
Watch - everything he says now will have some mention of God and faith. This may make him a billionaire.
Palin referred to him yesterday as "Dr. Glen Beck". And so it begins....
So what? Just because he is a public figure and favors the right side of the political spectrum, does that mean he is prohibitied from participating in the religion of his choice?
It is always funny when the left goes ape s*** crazy over anyone on the right expressing a religious view but not a word is ever said about the left doing the same thing.
Rainbow PUSH Coalition
National Action Network
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/24/us/politics/24obama.html
Funny, Beck drew over 100,0000 while Sharpton drew around 3,000. I guess there is a vast right wing conspiracy.
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Beach Fanatic
the formation of the tea party and timing of the protest comes after the election of a black democrat. your assertion is valid only if you deny that fact. deficit doubling and tea bag angst is the domain of the dummy gop.
If you will do a little research you will find the tea party originated around the time of the TARP vote, before the election of Obama. You will also find that the tea party has been critical of the Republicans and the Democrats. We expected better from the Republicans and Bush rewarded that faith with a crazy war and huge deficits and bailouts. Obama has made things far worse but Bush started it.
As to the "dummy gop" comment, is that the left's version of rational political discourse?
SoWal Insider
If you will do a little research you will find the tea party originated around the time of the TARP vote, before the election of Obama. You will also find that the tea party has been critical of the Republicans and the Democrats. We expected better from the Republicans and Bush rewarded that faith with a crazy war and huge deficits and bailouts. Obama has made things far worse but Bush started it.there was no protest and angst when the dummy from dallas was at the helm. that's entirely rational, and should be required reading in texas public schools. perhaps that could bump creationism to make room for american history. Tea Party movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia On January 24, 2009, Trevor Leach and members of the Young Americans for Liberty in New York State, expressing a desire for a freer economy with less government intervention, held a protest against proposed new taxes on "non-diet sodas" in NY. Several of the protesters wore Native American headdresses, similar to the band of 18th century patriots who dumped tea in Boston Harbor to express outrage about British taxes, drawing parallels to the original Boston Tea Party.[24]
As to the "dummy gop" comment, is that the left's version of rational political discourse?
Beach Fanatic
Geo, I was not trying to be a smart aleck when I posted this morning. I fully meant to try and insert some sensibility and some insightful response to your questions after the morning opinion shows were over. I no longer feel like even trying to do so. After reading the responses recorded by some on the left, I realize it is a fruitless endevour. Idlewind has it exactly right in post #21. Among many on the left who post here there is often not even a modicum of civility. If one on the right post the same type of post they, it would appear, are banned. I know of at least one personally. She is a really good person and contributor to society. I always thought the political and current events forum of SoWal was fairly open to all to express their thoughts, research, experience and opinions openly, if at sometimes, sharply. It would appear that such is not the case. Therefore, I will continue to read the posts, say something objective when necessary regarding local government and happenings in SoWal and ignore the diatribes, idiocy and downright dirisiveness of so many who post in the political forum. I thought I could keep up with the best of them and I probably could but it has lost its intrest for me
One thing more. Glen Beck is trying to tell all that until we stand up for what we believe, what we were brought up with and what we have been taught as individuals we cannot work together as a group. I understand what he is trying to say. It is too bad so many don't. Until you can evaluate, understand, utilize and accept what has happened to you as an individual in life, you will never be able able to function successfully in society. If you don't have faith in yourself and your individual capabilities and learnings, then you have faith in nothing. Glen Beck said in his opening statement of the interview, "If the message is just for today, its meaningless". He was right.
One thing more. Glen Beck is trying to tell all that until we stand up for what we believe, what we were brought up with and what we have been taught as individuals we cannot work together as a group. I understand what he is trying to say. It is too bad so many don't. Until you can evaluate, understand, utilize and accept what has happened to you as an individual in life, you will never be able able to function successfully in society. If you don't have faith in yourself and your individual capabilities and learnings, then you have faith in nothing. Glen Beck said in his opening statement of the interview, "If the message is just for today, its meaningless". He was right.
margarita brocolia
Beck's transformation to religious leader continues:.
FOXNews.com - Beck Amends 'Obama is Racist' Charge, Questions President's Belief in 'Collective Salvation'
It's not that he thinks the President is a racist, it's just that they have differing theologies.
Watch - everything he says now will have some mention of God and faith. This may make him a billionaire.
Palin referred to him yesterday as "Dr. Glen Beck". And so it begins....
from the article:
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...... Beck, who is Mormon, said most Christians don't believe in liberation theology.
"That is a direct opposite of what the gospel is talking about," said Beck."It's Marxism disguised as religion."
Beck spoke after hosting his "Restoring Honor" rally in Washington, D.C., on Saturday, which attracted hundreds of thousands of Americans. Beck said the event, meant to honor the U.S. military, was not supposed to be political, and for the most part, politics were left out of the conversation.
"The message I was trying to send was be your highest self and stand in the burning bush, stand in the fire, because that's the only thing that's going to save us," he said. "I've come to the place where I believe there's no way to solve these problems, these issues ... unless we solve it through God, unless we solve it through being our highest self, and that's a pretty tall order.".....
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So now Obama is not racist, according to Beck - Marxist sounds better for the time being. Whatever might spur on his followers!.
He seems to be throwing out labels to try to get something to stick.
I'm trying to visualize what Beck's "highest self" would be.. :roll:
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Beach Fanatic
Geo, I was not trying to be a smart aleck when I posted this morning. I fully meant to try and insert some sensibility and some insightful response to your questions after the morning opinion shows were over. I no longer feel like even trying to do so. After reading the responses recorded by some on the left, I realize it is a fruitless endevour. Idlewind has it exactly right in post #21. Among many on the left who post here there is often not even a modicum of civility. If one on the right post the same type of post they, it would appear, are banned. I know of at least one personally. She is a really good person and contributor to society. I always thought the political and current events forum of SoWal was fairly open to all to express their thoughts, research, experience and opinions openly, if at sometimes, sharply. It would appear that such is not the case. Therefore, I will continue to read the posts, say something objective when necessary regarding local government and happenings in SoWal and ignore the diatribes, idiocy and downright dirisiveness of so many who post in the political forum. I thought I could keep up with the best of them and I probably could but it has lost its intrest for me
One thing more. Glen Beck is trying to tell all that until we stand up for what we believe, what we were brought up with and what we have been taught as individuals we cannot work together as a group. I understand what he is trying to say. It is too bad so many don't. Until you can evaluate, understand, utilize and accept what has happened to you as an individual in life, you will never be able able to function successfully in society. If you don't have faith in yourself and your individual capabilities and learnings, then you have faith in nothing. Glen Beck said in his opening statement of the interview, "If the message is just for today, its meaningless". He was right.
While you are exacly on point and have every reason to the feelings you express I hope you will regroup and reconsider. While we do not agree 100% I respect your insight and experience. There are many people who read the forums who for one reason or another never post and your views help influence them towards the truth.
Banned
Beck's transformation to religious leader continues:
FOXNews.com - Beck Amends 'Obama is Racist' Charge, Questions President's Belief in 'Collective Salvation'
It's not that he thinks the President is a racist, it's just that they have differing theologies.
Watch - everything he says now will have some mention of God and faith. This may make him a billionaire.
Palin referred to him yesterday as "Dr. Glen Beck". And so it begins....
I'm going to read the article, but before I do, WTH is collective salvation??? It sounds like arranging unwanted items for curbside pickup by some charitable organization.
Beach Fanatic
People fear what they don't understand. This gathering is essentially a tribute to the beginning of the end of big gov't, wasteful spending and getting back to our founding principles. It's basically an anti-progressive gathering.
Banned
People fear what they don't understand. This gathering is essentially a tribute to the beginning of the end of big gov't, wasteful spending and getting back to our founding principles. It's basically an anti-progressive gathering.
Well if it's anti-progessive, I wish the TPers would quit trying to sell it to all of us progressives.
Beach Fanatic
So what? Just because he is a public figure and favors the right side of the political spectrum, does that mean he is prohibitied from participating in the religion of his choice?
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Did I suggest he couldn't participate/voice his beliefs? When?
I don't object to his voicing his beliefs - you'll never hear me criticize Mike Huckabee for it.
I am saying that I cannot find a place in Beck's boat, no matter how strongly I might feel about overspending in government, because I think he wants a Christian theocracy.
That's America. He says what he wants, I disagree with it, I voice my opinion. I never said he should be arrested.
SoWal Insider
End of big government and wasteful spending, I can get on board with. I would very much like to see more specific, thoughtful debate as to how we can accomplish that without significant changes or reductions to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the military-industrial complex. And if we change them, how? The "founding principles" thing is too vague for me, unless it is code for "Christian principles," in which case I can say I disagree. Basic principles of ethics and morality, however, I can get behind. The more specific the better.
Beach Fanatic
Even poopoo has salvageable qualities, it's called manure. So in the middle of the stink, there is a possibility to find something worthwhile to grow on... or maybe not cause Beck and Palin are the devil and jezebel in some people's minds. Why am I even involved in this not even fit for manure going nowhere discussion? Tallyho
I'll be a bossy pants and throw out one last comment like a gradeschooler.
You will never find everything about one person appealing no matter how high you regard them and there is always something to be learned from every individual, whether positive or what not to do, hence, salvageable. I know this is not popular cause it's a perspective solution and therefore it throws water on the raging fire that makes you want to fight and tear people down- carry on.
The small boxes of black/ off-white, left/right, dem/rep, tea party/pot party, conservative/liberal, my god/your god, i'm right/you're wrong, tattoo/ no tattoo are beckoning. Don't be an individual that thinks outside the box- you might accomplish something.
ok so it was more than one comment
time for coffee
love ya
I'll be a bossy pants and throw out one last comment like a gradeschooler.
You will never find everything about one person appealing no matter how high you regard them and there is always something to be learned from every individual, whether positive or what not to do, hence, salvageable. I know this is not popular cause it's a perspective solution and therefore it throws water on the raging fire that makes you want to fight and tear people down- carry on.
The small boxes of black/ off-white, left/right, dem/rep, tea party/pot party, conservative/liberal, my god/your god, i'm right/you're wrong, tattoo/ no tattoo are beckoning. Don't be an individual that thinks outside the box- you might accomplish something.
ok so it was more than one comment
time for coffee
love ya
Beach FanaticAuthor
Tea Party People:
You are supposed to be the ones with the cajones. Would one of you stop reacting to lefties (myself included) and answer the questions I have posed in POST 1?
Anyone?
I did plenty of research on the TP. We have many threads about it. I'm asking about Beck's themes.
You are supposed to be the ones with the cajones. Would one of you stop reacting to lefties (myself included) and answer the questions I have posed in POST 1?
Anyone?
I did plenty of research on the TP. We have many threads about it. I'm asking about Beck's themes.
Banned
Did I suggest he couldn't participate/voice his beliefs? When?
I don't object to his voicing his beliefs - you'll never hear me criticize Mike Huckabee for it.
I am saying that I cannot find a place in Beck's boat, no matter how strongly I might feel about overspending in government, because I think he wants a Christian theocracy.
That's America. He says what he wants, I disagree with it, I voice my opinion. I never said he should be arrested.
Actually Huckabee wants a theocracy too though not necessarily Christian. He wants to amend the constitution making it so. The Raw Story | Huckabee: Amend Constitution to be in 'God's standards'
SoWal Insider
End of big government and wasteful spending, I can get on board with. I would very much like to see more specific, thoughtful debate as to how we can accomplish that without significant changes or reductions to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the military-industrial complex. And if we change them, how? The "founding principles" thing is too vague for me, unless it is code for "Christian principles," in which case I can say I disagree. Basic principles of ethics and morality, however, I can get behind. The more specific the better.
This is a very sensible post. I have yet to hear a specific proposal from Dr. Glenn Beck. In my opinion, he should be drafted as the Republican nominee for president, so that maybe, just maybe, he might be forced to come up with specific proposals to fix the problems in America.
Geo may be waiting a long time for his answer...
Beach Fanatic
Tea Party People:
You are supposed to be the ones with the cajones. Would one of you stop reacting to lefties (myself included) and answer the questions I have posed in POST 1?
Anyone?
I did plenty of research on the TP. We have many threads about it. I'm asking about Beck's themes.
I answered to the best of my knowledge. The Beck rally was not big on my radar and I really had not focused on it. I have read several stories since your first post and from what I can read it was a non-political, positive celebration of heros in our country and the contributions of Judeo-Christian ethics and theory to the building of this nation. I believe the thrust was that the last 20-30 years have seen a turn from traditional American values and the program celebrated those who continue to champion those ideals that built and sustained this nation throughout its history. I support his ideals and think reflection on what made us a great nation encourages us to face the challenges of today and tomorrow.
SoWal Insider
Geo, I was not trying to be a smart aleck when I posted this morning. I fully meant to try and insert some sensibility and some insightful response to your questions after the morning opinion shows were over. I no longer feel like even trying to do so. After reading the responses recorded by some on the left, I realize it is a fruitless endevour. Idlewind has it exactly right in post #21. Among many on the left who post here there is often not even a modicum of civility. If one on the right post the same type of post they, it would appear, are banned. I know of at least one personally. She is a really good person and contributor to society. I always thought the political and current events forum of SoWal was fairly open to all to express their thoughts, research, experience and opinions openly, if at sometimes, sharply. It would appear that such is not the case. Therefore, I will continue to read the posts, say something objective when necessary regarding local government and happenings in SoWal and ignore the diatribes, idiocy and downright dirisiveness of so many who post in the political forum. I thought I could keep up with the best of them and I probably could but it has lost its intrest for meyou obviously have faith in a divorced, alcoholic, adhd raised roman catholic converted to mormon born again, intellectual lightweight who divides this country over the one media outlet that will allow him to spew race hatred daily , who calls the first black president in our history a racist, and decides to hold a "white suffering" pageant on the very place and date of mlk's famous speech. glenn beck will teach us all how to function? he speaks to you, doesn't he?
One thing more. Glen Beck is trying to tell all that until we stand up for what we believe, what we were brought up with and what we have been taught as individuals we cannot work together as a group. I understand what he is trying to say. It is too bad so many don't. Until you can evaluate, understand, utilize and accept what has happened to you as an individual in life, you will never be able able to function successfully in society. If you don't have faith in yourself and your individual capabilities and learnings, then you have faith in nothing. Glen Beck said in his opening statement of the interview, "If the message is just for today, its meaningless". He was right.
Beach Fanatic
On the occasions when I've heard Beck, he tends to ramble about nothingness. I wouldn't be much concerned with anything about him. The fact of him having the "rally" on MLK's speech day at the same place, says much about Beck. The easiest way to stop putting money in his pocket is to totally ignore everything he says, and not to talk about him at all. Think about it -- half of his money comes from his followers and the other half comes from those whom dislike him. Both sides are apparently his audience.
SoWal Insider
you obviously have faith in a divorced, alcoholic, adhd raised roman catholic converted to mormon born again, intellectual lightweight who divides this country over the one media outlet that will allow him to spew race hatred daily , who calls the first black president in our history a racist, and decides to hold a "white suffering" pageant on the very place and date of mlk's famous speech. glenn beck will teach us all how to function? he speaks to you, doesn't he?
The way you see the world Bob, makes me sad.
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Beach Lover
Good grief Bob I think you are angry. You may be kicked off Sowal for being so nasty. You are lashing out . You need to go with the flow and understand we have different opinions
Banned
Good grief Bob I think you are angry. You may be kicked off Sowal for being so nasty. You are lashing out . You need to go with the flow and understand we have different opinions
I'm not sure why you find his post so objectionable unless maybe you looked at it as an attack on Andy A. I didn't see it that way. I looked at it as more of an accurate assessment of Glenn Beck's ineptitude and divisiveness. I don't think that should get anybody banned.
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