The lefts hypocrisy...

I get this this entirely...some of us seem like that old Jewish woman who dispairs until the day she dies...over what? We got hit real hard. We got up. We invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. We ran our economy into the toilet. We certainly don't deserve any favors from anybody. Can't you think of something better to whine about than "Muslims are stealing our Sacred Ground" ?

I think maybe the scab pickers (thanks for that Bob) are trying to drag others down to their level of misery.

move on, stop hating, quit the childthink.

You might consider taking your own advice;-)

How does building the mosque make life easier for our troops? The arguement I have heard is that it could appear to be a sign of weakness and thus make life more dangerous for our troops.

When Newt Gingrich compares Islam with Nazism in regard to the proposed mosque in lower Manhattan, that makes life more difficult for our troops overseas. Muslims have a legitimate First Amendment right to put a mosque there. The idiot pastor in Florida does not have a First Amendment right to burn copies of the Quran for the same reason he doesn't have the right to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater -- because it would put people's lives (our troops and embassy personnel) at serious risk. Why the wackadoodle Right chooses to ignore this while imperiling our troops overseas says a great deal about them. Their positions on these two matters are, in my opinion, reprehensible and unpatriotic.

The idiot pastor in Florida does not have a First Amendment right to burn copies of the Quran

Yes he does,just as Muslims have the right to build the mosque at ground zero.Neither of these examples are in good taste but they are allowed to do so constitutionally and that is what separates us from the rest of the world(where have I heard that line before?) We do not need to be hypocrites here and accept it for what it is.......just because they have the right to do something,does not make it right.ugghhh......


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When Newt Gingrich compares Islam with Nazism in regard to the proposed mosque in lower Manhattan, that makes life more difficult for our troops overseas. Muslims have a legitimate First Amendment right to put a mosque there. The idiot pastor in Florida does not have a First Amendment right to burn copies of the Quran for the same reason he doesn't have the right to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater -- because it would put people's lives (our troops and embassy personnel) at serious risk. Why the wackadoodle Right chooses to ignore this while imperiling our troops overseas says a great deal about them. Their positions on these two matters are, in my opinion, reprehensible and unpatriotic.

No the wackadoodle left cannot come up with a logical, consistent position. Both the mosque and the burning are legal, both are morally wrong and both in some manner place our troops at risk. The purpose of both the Iman and the Pastor is to garner media attention for themselves and their cause. Neither is very important in the grand scheme of things and talking about both of them takes the discussion away from issues that do matter.

If ever I'm in a crowded theater and there is a fire, I sure hope someone yells, "Fire!"

Burning a book is allowed in the USA, it's just frowned upon by society, and therefore not often done.

Our soldiers fight to protect our freedoms (and for political reasons). They don't fight to limit our freedoms.

Enough about this damn preacher already. He deserves no publicity at all. Lake view too said it best -- we like to blame Muslims for building a mosque instead of realizing the important stuff like the fact that we used going to war in Afghanistan as an excuse to invade Iraq, and in the process we have ran our economy into the ground, costing many innocent lives -- more than were killed on Sept 11 2001 in the jet crashes. Still, terrorists continue and USA is viewed as a bully country by many.

The question I ask myself in trying to figure out this "war" is what would have happened if we had not taken action against Hitler? Can Iraq be compared to Hitler's Germany in some ways? Should we stand idle allowing Sadam to kill his own people? Or, should we go help out people, regardless of location, religion, nationality? We cannot financially afford to save the world, but I do think we need to take a stand for humanity. Is this "war" in Iraq saving humanity? It sure doesn't feel that way, as we have killed many innocent people.

Let's do as Lake view too suggested and gain some real perspective. Forget about the hypocrisy and let's focus on the real problems we have. Our problems are not a preacher with a 30 member congregation. How about the news media dropping the coverage of the war since Obama took office? The media is in the wrong place. The real story is "Why are our troops still in Iraq, while our unborn grandchildren are paying for it?"

I think it all boils down to intentions. The pastor's actions are purposfully petty, inflammatory and intolerant. The mosque means well, but didn't take into account American's inability to separate a religion from it's extremist fringes actions.

Thanks Douglas. I love reading everyone's perspective on these difficult issues, and learn a lot from you all. but, Dougie really knows how to put everything into perspective in a short, respectful and wonderful way that I, as well as many others, really appreciate.

I think it all boils down to intentions. The pastor's actions are purposfully petty, inflammatory and intolerant. The mosque means well, but didn't take into account American's inability to separate a religion from it's extremist fringes actions.

"An Egyptian-born investor in the mosque at Ground Zero said he would sell the site even for a new use. He's already received offers for three times the $4.8 million price of the site but would consider selling for closer to $20 million."

Hmm. :scratch:

Naive sheep think the Mosque is being built there for a good cause. Heaven forbid they're trying to make a statement to the World and dishonor the victims. They wouldn't really do that right?

Naive sheep think the Mosque is being built there for a good cause. Heaven forbid they're trying to make a statement to the World and dishonor the victims. They wouldn't really do that right?

The more I read about the real estate deal that lead to this, the more I think we've all been had (including the imam, who was sought out by the investor) by a very shrewd and unscrupulous egyptian real estate flipper looking to make a quick 400%.

Naive sheep think the Mosque is being built there for a good cause. Heaven forbid they're trying to make a statement to the World and dishonor the victims. They wouldn't really do that right?

i would agree with you in that all religions are toxic and we're all victims.

No the wackadoodle left cannot come up with a logical, consistent position. Both the mosque and the burning are legal, both are morally wrong and both in some manner place our troops at risk. The purpose of both the Iman and the Pastor is to garner media attention for themselves and their cause. Neither is very important in the grand scheme of things and talking about both of them takes the discussion away from issues that do matter.

"The mosque is morally wrong" if it were 5 blocks away, does that make it morally right?

Naive sheep think the Mosque is being built there for a good cause. Heaven forbid they're trying to make a statement to the World and dishonor the victims. They wouldn't really do that right?

whose heaven, falwell's or faisel's?

Reading all of this back and forth and thinking how did we come to this? Do you not all agree that the pastor in Florida and the Imam are really the same? They are just at opposite ends of the spectrum. We need to find the middle.

No hypocrisy. The big difference is that it is indisputable that burning a Koran is an inflammatory, offensive (to some), classless act. There is little room for opinion on that one. Building of the mosque could be considered by many to be a non-event. There is certainly room for disagreement.

I have to ask, at this stage of the game, are you really willing to believe the pastor's story that the Imam has agreed not to build the cultural center. Don't you think a little fact checking is in order before you reap such high praise on this psycho-Xian dirtbag. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing good to say about Muslim fundies either. In fact, it looks like the Imam just issued a veiled threat regarding what will happen if the mosque plans are abandoned. That's what makes me question your hero's story.

I saw that too, Sam
His diplomacy has the smoothness of a python

The more I read about the real estate deal that lead to this, the more I think we've all been had (including the imam, who was sought out by the investor) by a very shrewd and unscrupulous Egyptian real estate flipper looking to make a quick 400%.

Maybe that book-burning Florida preacher is also hoping someone will offer to buy him out. Money and power is often behind many things. Your suggestion of it being a power play may be on target. Trump always likes press, and not surprising, he has thrown his offer in to purchase the land in NYC for 25% more than the current value.

Maybe that book-burning Florida preacher is also hoping someone will offer to buy him out. Money and power is often behind many things. Your suggestion of it being a power play may be on target. Trump always likes press, and not surprising, he has thrown his offer in to purchase the land in NYC for 25% more than the current value.

isn't that the truth? he throws money at a problem and then what? has he accomplished anything worthwhile other than for himself? I seriously doubt it. we will still be left with extreme and intolerant views/beliefs coming out of groups of people feeding off of anger and fear and misery - which will just shift to another location or another target. same problem, different place.

Just in case you don't think the Florida Pastor is a wacko:

Dove Church Rulebook | The Smoking Gun

Just in case you don't think the Florida Pastor is a wacko:

Dove Church Rulebook | The Smoking Gun

Who would agree to that? If they do, they get what they get.
That is just not fun

Just in case you don't think the Florida Pastor is a wacko:

Dove Church Rulebook | The Smoking Gun

Sounds like a Jim Jones in training. Anyone who would agree to this is an even bigger wacko.

I am not a big fan of Donald Trump but he has accomplished a lot. He has taken many, many risks. In those risks you have to consider how many jobs he has created. We have to remember that wealthy people are not all bad. Imagine if there were no risk takers out there?

Sounds like a Jim Jones in training. Anyone who would agree to this is an even bigger wacko.

and they don't even have a spell and grammar check!