Obamacare Vote Proving Fatal to Dems

The fact that someone would vote for County Commissioner, Supervisor of Elections, or Mosquito Control Board based on the candidates support or opposition of Health Care Reform simply means that the masses are waaaaaaay dumber than I previously thought.

Sometimes polititicans end up having to do the right thing, even if it is not popular at the time--it called guts.

Fortunately, Healthcare Reform is settled law-- Republicans will end up in the awkward position of explaining to their constituents why they were against it before they were actually for it.

Wrong AC, they will be in a position to TRY and fix it because the American Public is finding it to be ALL WRONG!

It will also prove fatal to many Americans to not have adequate and affordable heath care insurance in the years to come.

The fact that someone would vote for County Commissioner, Supervisor of Elections, or Mosquito Control Board based on the candidates support or opposition of Health Care Reform simply means that the masses are waaaaaaay dumber than I previously thought.

It way dumber to think the disdain for the current admin won't affect elections even at the mosquito control level. It's called making a statement and this will be one of the biggest statements delivered in a long long time. Progressives & Liberals will choke on it.

Perhaps it's not the masses and maybe it's you...

It will also prove fatal to many Americans to not have adequate and affordable heath care insurance in the years to come.

That's exactly why I don't support rationed care. You will have to wait much much longer than before. You'll be herded like animals.

Two weeks ago my Aunt was in Tuscany, Italy and got sick. When she walked in to the clinic there were at least 80 people in line all quite sick, hacking up a lung. As soon as she checked in and they realized she had insurance and was paying they moved her literally to the front of the line. It was a major eye opener for her.

That's exactly why I don't support rationed care. You will have to wait much much longer than before. You'll be herded like animals.

Two weeks ago my Aunt was in Tuscany, Italy and got sick. When she walked in to the clinic there were at least 80 people in line all quite sick, hacking up a lung. As soon as she checked in and they realized she had insurance and was paying they moved her literally to the front of the line. It was a major eye opener for her.

Those who don't have health care will not be allowed in the line much less to argue for rationed care.

I called a few months back to schedule a physical. I couldn't get an appointment without insurance, even though I had the cash to pay upfront at two different doctor's offices. Those who have neither the cash or the insurance are just out of luck. I finally found a specialist for my issue that accepts only cash.

Those who don't have health care will not be allowed in the line much less to argue for rationed care.

I called a few months back to schedule a physical. I couldn't get an appointment without insurance, even though I had the cash to pay upfront at two different doctor's offices. Those who have neither the cash or the insurance are just out of luck. I finally found a specialist for my issue that accepts only cash.

I've said this before but I will continue to reiterate it. Whether its Tuscany or England, obviously many supporting universal health care have never lived under it. I have. I don't want it in the manner it has been passed. We don't have any idea of all of the ramifications of the bill. If you think care will not be "rationed" you have another think coming. Sure, they'll call it something else but us elderly and the ones with costly disease and health issues such as cancer will be the one's who will suffer. I hope I am wrong but I would much rather see our system correct its present ills such as tort reform, insuring those with pre-existing conditions and not allowing cancellation of one's policy once they become sick. The present attempt at reformed healtcare is a monstrocity according to everything I have read or observed.

That's completely messed up. The insurance and health industry brought all this legislation down upon themselves through policies like this. What's ironic is that in order to get the bill passed, the federal government had offer them a bribe in the form of a national mandate. In the end, I'm not sure which side walked away in better shape - the consumer or the insurance companies.

I'd like to note that the legislation was printed on paper, not carved in stone. I think rather than a knee jerk reaction to repeal it completely Congress should work to make it better. Before we get partisan I'd be fine with repeal if there were a better plan on the table, but I'd prefer we try to fix the nose we got before cutting it off.

I've said this before but I will continue to reiterate it. Whether its Tuscany or England, obviously many supporting universal health care have never lived under it. I have. I don't want it in the manner it has been passed. We don't have any idea of all of the ramifications of the bill. If you think care will not be "rationed" you have another think coming. Sure, they'll call it something else but us elderly and the ones with costly disease and health issues such as cancer will be the one's who will suffer. I hope I am wrong but I would much rather see our system correct its present ills such as tort reform, insuring those with pre-existing conditions and not allowing cancellation of one's policy once they become sick. The present attempt at reformed healtcare is a monstrocity according to everything I have read or observed.

What makes you so sure that this legislation was 'brought down' on the insurance or pharma industries? They are going to make a boatload of money out of this.

The bill did nothing to get rid of the ridiculous pharma bargaining restraints put on the federal government by the Medicare Drug Plan. It also did nothing to tackle torte reform. Beyond that, it gave the insurance companies plenty of time to discontinue things that won't be as profitable in the future (like children-only policies and pre-existing conditions.)

I would expect that the bulk of the bill was drafted by and for industry insiders. We know that no one in Congress bothered to even skim it before voting for it.

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Maddow stating her case that the election is not about deficit spending, big government, the stimulus, TARP, economic populism, being political outsiders, or Obamacare - like the media is reporting as explanations for the success of extreme right candidates.
"We're just about to elect a whole bunch of extremists"

Rachel Maddow Show



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I find it interesting that you are so against government health care reform and think it will lead to rationing.

Don't you and your wife currently get all your health care through the government because you are a veteran/older? :idontno:

How are the VA and Medicare good, but government health care bad?