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Does anyone actually believe the TSA?

futurebeachbum avatar
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From the TSA's website on the privacy of scanners:

Advanced imaging technology cannot store, print, transmit or save the image, and the image is automatically deleted from the system after it is cleared by the remotely located security officer. Officers evaluating images are not permitted to take cameras, cell phones or photo-enabled devices into the resolution room.

With no record and no permanent storage how do they prove probable cause? How do they get a conviction?

Is it all based on the 'word' of a TSA screener? That;'s reassuring.

Am I the only one skeptical of what the TSA tells us?

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BeachSteelers avatar
Beach Fanatic
#77
I just saw a video of an 11 yr old boy pull his shirt off and then get fondled by a TSA agent. In full public view. Gee I feel so safe. TSA has NO abilitly to stop any terrorist. They don't carry guns so when a would be bomber shows up what is there protocal for stopping them? Call a cop? Or when someone decides to blow themselves up in the terminal or check in before security check points, I see no way any TSA personnel could stop such a threat.
I'd feel much safer if All names were checked once a ticket is purchased. Armed Militay outside of the airport itself looking at everyone coming in and out of the terminal. Bring back the dogs also. But having a $10/hr FED employee who's last job was flipping burgers feel up old ladies and children is a JOKE.
Profiling is the best way to combat this threat. Any foreign national should provide their passport for inspection. And when Yemen,Egypt,Saudi Arabia or Pakistan stamps are found then a full body search should be mandatory. Time to make the Muslim's uncomfortable so one day just maybe they will weed out their bad apples. And when Christians,Jews or Buddists start blowing up planes then more screening for them.
Also if it's too intrusive for Hillary then it's too intrusive for everyoen else also.
Anyone know when common sense was lost in America?
We need to send out a search party to find it again.
And most disgusting is Chertoff and Soros making millions on these scanners. $500 million dollar order for these radiation delivery devices.
Should I cough when my Junk is fondled?
30ashopper avatar
SoWal Insider
#79
No patdowns at VPS this weekend! Same courteous non-groping folks as usual! :D

And my opinion that we needed a different security focus was confirmed when I realized I had missed several "liquid" items that should have been in my baggie........as did the TSA.

Nail clippers and superglue were among the items I couldn't bring through security but could purchase in the terminal. :roll:

I never have problems at VPS. San Francisco and San Jose are a different matter. Been through the big scanner twice, hated it.
futurebeachbum avatar
Beach FanaticAuthor
#80
Some TSA news....Don't we all feel safer?

Achtung! You will obey all orders of the Federal Government without question or delay! You can't just get out of line.

AIRPORT SECURITY CRACKDOWN: TSA WARNS JAIL, $11,000 FINES FOR NON-COMPLIANCE

This isn't really so surprising. Its a big Federal Bureaucracy and after all, it took him 57 days to recognize that the oil spill was happening in the Gulf.

OBAMA ADMITS HE HAS NO CLUE HOW INTRUSIVE TSA SEARCHES ARE

I love the compassion of the TSA. Maybe they hire ex IRS agents.

TSA PAT-DOWN LEAVES BLADDER CANCER PATIENT HUMILIATED, CRYING & SOAKED IN URINE
futurebeachbum avatar
Beach FanaticAuthor
#81
Mythbuster and the TSA

Adam Savage of the Mythbusters documents his recent experience with the TSA scanner process in this article "Adam Savage: TSA saw my junk, missed 12" razor blades"

I think the title is reasonably self explanatory and it has a nice video, but here is a quote:

Savage was put through the full-body scanner, and while he joked that it made his penis feel small, no one seemed to notice the items he was carrying on his person. The video tells the rest of the story.

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scooterbug44 avatar
SoWal Expert
#82
Which may be why Italy tested the scanners and rejected them - of course this may also be because Italy didn't have their former head of Homeland security pushing the scanners to make $$$. :bang:
Beach Fanatic
#83
After John Tyner: A Five-Step Plan to a Sane Airport Security System | Mother Jones
W]hat I haven't seen is an informed take on what airport security ought to look like. We all hate taking off our shoes and pulling out our laptops and being limited to three ounces of liquid and not being allowed to meet people at the gate anymore ? we hate all of that. But if it's all useless, what should we do instead? Shouldn't someone write that article?
the rest of the article offers up some really reasonable ideas IMO.

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futurebeachbum avatar
Beach FanaticAuthor
#84
After John Tyner: A Five-Step Plan to a Sane Airport Security System | Mother Jones the rest of the article offers up some really reasonable ideas IMO.

Excellent article. I like the 5 recommendations.

This quote summarizes the whole situation pretty accurately:

Schneier is famous for explaining that "exactly two things have made us safer since 9/11: reinforcing the cockpit door and convincing passengers they need to fight back. Everything else is a waste of money." All three experts favor scrapping most of the security measures that people hate?and not necessarily replacing them with anything.
futurebeachbum avatar
Beach FanaticAuthor
#85
Disband the TSA

Great Op-ed in the American Spectator called "Disband the TSA".

He cites all the logical reasons why the TSA needs to go. I Love this quote:

It is the TSA's premise that the 89-year old great-grandmother in a walker, the soccer team comprised of 11-year old girls, the two-year old toddler on the family vacation, the airline crewmember and the soldier traveling home from Iraq pose the same potential threat to airline safety as the Middle Eastern man traveling alone, without luggage, on a one-way First Class ticket that was purchased with cash. The TSA is fueled by political correctness run amuck. Its sole accomplishments to date have been establishing a sizable airport presence and humiliating passengers.
Beach Fanatic
#86
Great Op-ed in the American Spectator called "Disband the TSA".

He cites all the logical reasons why the TSA needs to go. I Love this quote:

makes me wonder what research they use to form the policies...it seems counterproductive to all that seems known about safety and behavior...
scooterbug44 avatar
SoWal Expert
#87
Great Op-ed in the American Spectator called "Disband the TSA".

He cites all the logical reasons why the TSA needs to go. I Love this quote:

That quote is exactly the opposite of what was in the article Glenda posted. It's not political correctness - it's logic. For all the calls for profiling, the latest foiled plots have involved shipping printer cartridges and an attempt to implant dogs w/ devices, not Muslim males with one way tickets. That author made the point that if you just screen one group, or just use one set of parameters, the terrorists will simply select someone that doesn't fit that profile - which is why you want random searches that include everyone.

"Terrorists can't avoid or plan for truly random enhanced searches, like they can with protocol-, background-, and profiling-based searches. You don't want terrorists to be able to plan their way around your security. You want them to have to get lucky."

I found the 5 suggestions in her article to be the kind of common sense reforms we need to make in the TSA.
futurebeachbum avatar
Beach FanaticAuthor
#88
I found the 5 suggestions in her article to be the kind of common sense reforms we need to make in the TSA.

I still haven't found anyone who could make a compelling argument for why we need the TSA at all.

We've strengthened the cockpit doors and passengers aren't going to put up with much. The TSA has never stopped explosives from getting on board an aircraft and apparently there isn't any technology that can reliably do that coming any time soon.

Why don't we just accept the risk and roll on? If one is really concerned about bombs then don't fly (or go to ball games or ride subways, etc...)

This is (theoretically) about giving up rights and money to save lives (although in 9 years no lives have been saved.) It's crazy. We as a nation trade lives for money and/or convenience all of the time, but we can't do it here?

We accept 30,000 highway deaths per year when we could clearly reduce it by just spending more enforcement dollars and restricting how/when people drive (just like the way we use the TSA) but we clearly don't t think its worth the money (and we don't want to give up our driving rights....)

Rather than spend $7B/year and inconvenience everyone, let's do the risk analysis and dump the TSA. We'd pretty quickly get to the point we could spare a few lives annually to avoid the cost and invconvenience.
30A Skunkape avatar
Skunky
#89
Leaving ECP I got busted carrying liquids not enclosed in a ziplock bag. In the same carry on bag the lady ignored my nail clippers and electric shaver, complete with power cord. It seems to me that wires, electronics and a wire stripper would be compelling, but I guess not.:roll:
futurebeachbum avatar
Beach FanaticAuthor
#90
I feel a lot safer now that I know they are focused on real threats....


scooterbug44 avatar
SoWal Expert
#91
Nothing like standing in line clutching your quart size ziploc ............ and watching pilots and flight attendants walk through the metal detector with their coffees. :roll:
futurebeachbum avatar
Beach FanaticAuthor
#92
It cracks me up that they even screen the pilots.

They can legally bring a gun on board and they don't need a bomb; they are flying one!

What a joke airport screening is.
AndrewG avatar
Beach Fanatic
#93
Nothing like standing in line clutching your quart size ziploc ............ and watching pilots and flight attendants walk through the metal detector with their coffees. :roll:

The pilot doesn't need a bomb. I would be pissed if I were a pilot and had to be screened.
Andy A avatar
Beach Fanatic
#94
It is absolutely ludicrous to screen flight crews, other than to be sure they are not imposters. Proper and secure ID can do that. It is their job, for cryin' out loud! Other than establishing their identity, there is no need to screen them. That said, there will always be those who attempt to circumvent the system and succeed. Witness the Army major at Ft. Hood. He was a field grade officer and had to get there with a lot of assistance from many. There will always be risks in life and it is necessary to recognize and accept them for what they are.
Matt J avatar
SWGB
#95

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