Civilian trials appear to be working for terrorists......

Geo, IMHO you're the one letting politics get in the way of your judgement.

How so, my brutha?

Here is where I am coming from-

The administration chose to allow the accused to be tried. They followed the law rather than making new rules because of 9-11. Which means- they maintained the status quo. They made it possible for the legal process to run its course. I would have hoped a Republican or Tea Partier would have done the same.

So that's our starting point.

What happened after that?

Without having disected the trial I am under the impression that the prosecution's case hinged on testimony that would have been ruled inadmissible in any other trial.

I don't like the outcome. But I don't blame POTUS. I don't blame politicos.

If the guy got 100 consecutive life sentences would WTW have posted an article about how Obama gets the credit? I wouldn't have.

How so, my brutha?

Here is where I am coming from-

The administration chose to allow the accused to be tried. They followed the law rather than making new rules because of 9-11. Which means- they maintained the status quo. They made it possible for the legal process to run its course. I would have hoped a Republican or Tea Partier would have done the same.

So that's our starting point.

What happened after that?

Without having disected the trial I am under the impression that the prosecution's case hinged on testimony that would have been ruled inadmissible in any other trial.

I don't like the outcome. But I don't blame POTUS. I don't blame politicos.

If the guy got 100 consecutive life sentences would WTW have posted an article about how Obama gets the credit? I wouldn't have.

Eric Holder hand picked the players. This was a kangaroo court designed to send a political message, not serve justice.

Eric Holder hand picked the players. This was a kangaroo court designed to send a political message, not serve justice.

I'm not down with any of this.

9-11 was terrible. Nuts killed a lot of innocent people. Those responsible should be punished. But newsflash- this is still the United States. When bad guys commit a crime they are arrested and the judical system runs its course.

I am against this idea of a phoney court, a bogus trial with a predetermined result.

The prosecution needs to build a case. Testimony from witnesses or the accused while they are under duress won't hold up.

Did anyone inform the jury that none of this was real? Because it seems apparent that they based their decison on the merit of what was presented to them in court.

I would feel the same way whether George Bush, Barack Obama or Sarah Palin were in office. Mine is not a partisan stance.

Not sure which part of my judgement seems flawed.

War on Terror isn't an actual war. It is a paradigm- a mindset that causes people to act crazy based on irrational fear.

So we're blaming the DA after the arresting officer beat the defendant on camera?

I'm not down with any of this.

9-11 was terrible. Nuts killed a lot of innocent people. Those responsible should be punished. But newsflash- this is still the United States. When bad guys commit a crime they are arrested and the judical system runs its course.

I am against this idea of a phoney court, a bogus trial with a predetermined result.

The prosecution needs to build a case. Testimony from witnesses or the accused while they are under duress won't hold up.

Did anyone inform the jury that none of this was real? Because it seems apparent that they based their decison on the merit of what was presented to them in court.

I would feel the same way whether George Bush, Barack Obama or Sarah Palin were in office. Mine is not a partisan stance.

Not sure which part of my judgement seems flawed.

War on Terror isn't an actual war. It is a paradigm- a mindset that causes people to act crazy based on irrational fear.

War criminals deserve a miltary tribunal...nothing more and nothing less.They damn sure do not deserve American rights.Gitmo is the perfect place for these to take place.

War criminals deserve a miltary tribunal...nothing more and nothing less.They damn sure do not deserve American rights.Gitmo is the perfect place for these to take place.

Which war are we talking? I'm aware of some brown skinned nuts who blew themselves up and killed innocents. Some of those nuts used planes on American soil. Some of those nuts were in a skiff in a harbor next to one of our navy ships.

But I don't believe either of these acts were during wartime. Pls set me straight.

I don't sympathize for these scumbags. I just don't believe that you can decide that the work of some nuts belongs judged in a war tribunal because you say the words War on Terror a bunch of times.

It seems that we were at war when its convenient and it was a terrorist act when we are discussing something else.

And once again - the evidence/witness would have been inadmissible in a military court too.

The terrorist is in prison and we didn't have to trample on our justice system or ideals to put him there.

War criminals deserve a miltary tribunal...nothing more and nothing less.They damn sure do not deserve American rights.Gitmo is the perfect place for these to take place.

what war?

I'm all for anything that protects Conservative Americans.

I'm all for anything that protects Conservative Americans.

Then you must support the ACLU, who is there to defend the rights of everyone regardless of political persuasion.

Then you must support the ACLU, who is there to defend the rights of everyone regardless of political persuasion.

No. I just want conservative Americans protected. Liberals complain too much and pretend America is bad. They're expendable.

No. I just want conservative Americans protected. Liberals complain too much and pretend America is bad. They're expendable.

This is a sick post. No person is expendable.

This is a sick post. No person is expendable.

Consider the source.

Waterboarding saves lives. Terrorists are definitely expendable. Being kind to terrorist only puts you and your loved ones at greater risk. Didn't Bush just say he would do it again in a heartbeat?

Waterboarding saves lives. Terrorists are definitely expendable. Being kind to terrorist only puts you and your loved ones at greater risk. Didn't Bush just say he would do it again in a heartbeat?

You said Americans were expendable if they didn't vote like you. Period.

I never said anything about voting. If American lives can be saved by waterboarding terrorists and you're against it then your advocating the death of Americans. Shame on you.

I never said anything about voting. If American lives can be saved by waterboarding terrorists and you're against it then your advocating the death of Americans. Shame on you.

There are a lot of truly heinous and reprehensible things I could do that would technically save lives.

Those things would also violate every law and principle our country was founded upon.

The same laws and principles the terrorists say we cannot uphold while defeating them.

Death toll is not the sole indicator of success. My family tree has invested lives and money making sure that America wins.

Why do you hate American values, Andrew?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ? That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

I never said anything about voting. If American lives can be saved by waterboarding terrorists and you're against it then your advocating the death of Americans. Shame on you.

SHAME ON YOU FOR BACK TRACKING,. You said liberals are expendable. Period. No American is expendable. No matter how they vote, they are still Americans. I don't think you deserve to die for how you vote on any issue. SHAME ON YOU for trying to weasel out of your post.

"No. I just want conservative Americans protected. Liberals complain too much and pretend America is bad. They're expendable."

I never said anything about voting. If American lives can be saved by waterboarding terrorists and you're against it then your advocating the death of Americans. Shame on you.

That's the weakest most simple-minded argument I've ever heard. American's lives could be saved by warrantless searches and wiretapping, punishment without trial, a dictatorial regime in other words. It would be possible to bring the level of crime in this country down markedly by implementing all kinds of draconian measures to make us safer. Is that the conservative ideal?

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH TERRORISTS GETTING CONVICTED TO PRISON FOR DECADES?

Without burning the flag, Geneva Convention, and U.S. Constitution in the process.

Anyone?

Oh boy Caps and Bold. Good bait but I'm not gonna bite... You do complain a lot though...

You have the means to protect Americans but opt not to. That's beyond pathetic, almost treasonous. If you're going to allow terrorists to kill Americans I hope they don't kill Conservatives.

Somewhere along the line some mistakenly think American values extend to terrorists.

There was no bold ;-).

I could really give a flip that the terrorists are killing conservatives with a capital C.

American lives all have equal value in my world.

We have a stated mission. How we carry out that mission and what legal precedents we set in the process matter - to the mission, to our country, to the world, and to future conflicts.

You can technically win a boxing match by shooting your opponent or taking his mother hostage. I prefer to win by being the better boxer, following the rules, and indisputably KO-ing my opponent.