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Scott scraps Orlando to Tampa rail project

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First ? capital cost overruns from the project could put Florida taxpayers on the hook for an additional $3 billion.

o Second ? ridership and revenue projections are historically overly-optimistic and would likely result in ongoing subsidies that state taxpayers would have to incur. (from $300 million ? $575 million over 10 years) ? Note: The state subsidizes Tri-Rail $34.6 million a year while passenger revenues covers only $10.4 million of the $64 million annual operating budget.


o Finally ? if the project becomes too costly for taxpayers and is shut down, the state would have to return the $2.4 billion in federal funds to D.C.
  • The truth is that this project would be far too costly to taxpayers and I believe the risk far outweighs the benefits.
  • Historical data shows capital cost overruns are pervasive in 9 out of 10 high speed rail projects and that 2/3 of those projects inflated ridership projections by an average of 65 percent of actual patronage.
  • It is projected that 3.07 million people will use the train annually. Keep in mind that Amtrak?s Acela train in Washington, D.C., Boston, Philadelphia, New York and Baltimore only had 3.2 million riders in 2010. And that market?s population is 8 times the size of the Tampa/Orlando market.
  • President Obama?s high-speed rail program is not the answer to Florida?s economic recovery.
  • We must make investments in areas where we will get a return for the shareholders ? Florida?s taxpayers.
  • Rather than investing in a high-risk rail project, we should be focusing on improving our ports, rail and highway infrastructure to be in a position to attract the increased shipping that will result when the Panama Canal is expanded when the free trade agreements with Colombia and Panama are ratified and with the expansion of the economies of Central and South America.
  • By capturing a larger share of containerized imports entering our seaports, expanding export markets for Florida businesses and emerging as a global hub for trade and investment we can create up to an additional 143,000 jobs according to a recent chamber of commerce study.
  • It is absolutely critical that we make smart investments with taxpayer dollars, whether state or federal, and I believe our state will be better served by spending these funds on projects that will benefit Florida and not turn into a spending boondoggle.
  • The answer is to reduce government spending, cut government?s leash on our state?s job creators and then hold that government accountable for the investments it makes.

Florida Governor Rick Scott - Florida Governor Rick Scott Rejects Federal High Speed Rail

And of course, special interests, local politicians, and the feds cry foul!

Rick Scott rejects high-speed rail: Gov. Rick Scott says he's rejecting federal high-speed rail money - OrlandoSentinel.com

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30ashopper avatar
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#27
and approve high speed rail. let's create some sorely needed construction jobs. let's see beyond wider highways, middle east chaos, and offshore drilling. lets get our collective heads out our asses.

.. and lets do it all with borrowed money from China, so we don't have to pay for it. :roll:

I like the idea of expanding our ports personally, we should leverage the resources we have. Boondogles might create jobs today, but they rob us of funding later that would be spent on useful infrastructure, education, and social services.
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30A SkunkapeSkunky
#28
Florida Supreme Court: Gov. Rick Scott can refuse $2.4B high-speed funds | HeraldTribune.com



No high-speed rail for Florida; Court rules for Scott, feds move to give money to someone else - St. Petersburg Times

Lets move forward..

Agreed. The court has spoken. God, you know some career politicians (on both sides of the aisle) have got to be boiling at this outsider accumulating wins in Tallahassee.
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#29
No high-speed rail for Florida; court rules for Scott, feds move to give money to someone else - St. Petersburg Times

It's amazing to me how hard it can be to force the federal government to stop spending borrowed money. Everyone except a guy who knows a thing or two about balance sheets wanted to blow through 2.4 billion of the 1.6 trillion we'll borrow this year alone.
Andy A avatar
Andy ABeach Fanatic
#30
Let me say this loud and clear! I am for the high speed rail between Tampa and Orlando. Let me also say this loud and clear! As long as its built with private and not taxpayer's funds.
Bob avatar
BobSoWal Insider
#31
Let me say this loud and clear! I am for the high speed rail between Tampa and Orlando. Let me also say this loud and clear! As long as its built with private and not taxpayer's funds.
like the interstates!! yehawww!!!
Bob avatar
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#32
No high-speed rail for Florida; court rules for Scott, feds move to give money to someone else - St. Petersburg Times

It's amazing to me how hard it can be to force the federal government to stop spending borrowed money. Everyone except a guy who knows a thing or two about balance sheets wanted to blow through 2.4 billion of the 1.6 trillion we'll borrow this year alone.
guns or butter, i guess you like bullets, not bullet trains
Bob avatar
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#33
.. and lets do it all with borrowed money from China, so we don't have to pay for it. :roll:

I like the idea of expanding our ports personally, we should leverage the resources we have. Boondogles might create jobs today, but they rob us of funding later that would be spent on useful infrastructure, education, and social services.
we do we have to show for our efforts in iraq/afghanistan?
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LuciferSamBanned
#34
like the interstates!! yehawww!!!

Bingo! And where else but Florida has so many people who no longer should be behind the wheel of a car?
30ashopper avatar
30ashopperSoWal InsiderAuthor
#35
we do we have to show for our efforts in iraq/afghanistan?

From the specific wars I can't really say, but from the military we spend on to fight them quite a bit, including that interstate highway system you like to yell about, and the thing you and I interact on, this here thing they calls that intertoobs.
30ashopper avatar
30ashopperSoWal InsiderAuthor
#36
guns or butter, i guess you like bullets, not bullet trains

I like zero debt load. Without that, you can have all the bullet trains you want, despite what a waste of money they would be. What was our interest payment last year? 350 billion? Start there, then we can talk about your boyhood fascination with trains.
GoodWitch58Beach Fanatic
#37
High-speed rail ridership study shows line would have had operating surplus - St. Petersburg Times
? An updated ridership study released Wednesday shows that a high-speed rail line connecting Tampa to Orlando would have had a $10.2 million operating surplus in 2015, its first year of operation, and a $28.6 million surplus in its 10th year. A 2009 study showed the line would not have seen a surplus until 2021.

The study, conducted by the forecasting firms Wilbur Smith Associates and Steer Davies Gleave, shows the line would have had 3.3 million riders in its first year. The previous analysis predicted the line would have had 2.4 million riders in 2015.
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BeachSiO2Beach Fanatic
#38
I would be curious to see the details on how many seats per trip, and trips per day, ticket costs, etc. This is over 9000 riders a day. Are they expecting these to be commuters? visitors? Anyone have any ideas on how to get the study?
30ashopper avatar
30ashopperSoWal InsiderAuthor
#39
I would be curious to see the details on how many seats per trip, and trips per day, ticket costs, etc. This is over 9000 riders a day. Are they expecting these to be commuters? visitors? Anyone have any ideas on how to get the study?

I can't find it online but I wish I could as it seems to contradict a number of other studies similar to it.
Bob avatar
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#40
Florida Governor Rick Scott - Florida Governor Rick Scott Rejects Federal High Speed Rail

And of course, special interests, local politicians, and the feds cry foul!

Rick Scott rejects high-speed rail: Gov. Rick Scott says he's rejecting federal high-speed rail money - OrlandoSentinel.com
yes, everyone is wrong and only scott sees the truth here....next stop, defund public education and introduce a siege mentality on educators

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