Before the president is accused of using millions of times the vetoes of past presidents lets put the record on the table:
http://www.senate.gov/reference/Legislation/Vetoes/vetoCounts.htm
[TABLE="align: center"]
[TR="class: contentsubtitle"]
[TD="align: left"]President (Years)[/TD]
[TD="width: 20%, align: center"]Coinciding Congresses[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 4, align: center"]Vetoes[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: contentsubtitle"]
[TD="width: 11%"]Regular[/TD]
[TD="width: 11%"]Pocket[/TD]
[TD="width: 11%"]Total[/TD]
[TD="width: 12%"]Overridden[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Barack H. Obama (2009-present)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]113-111[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]George W. Bush (2001-2009)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]110-107[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]12 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]12 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
William J. Clinton (1993-2001)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]106-103[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]36 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]37 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
George H. W. Bush (1989-1993) [SUP]1[/SUP][/TD]
[TD="align: center"]102-101[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]29 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]15 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]44 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989) [SUP]2[/SUP][/TD]
[TD="align: center"]100-97[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]39 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]39 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]78 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Jimmy Carter (1977-1981)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]96-95[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]13 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]18 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]31 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2 [/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The list does go back to Washington, but I figured we could limit it to recent presidents.
Also, the all time record is 372 held by FDR, and for a 2 term president the record is 180 with Truman.
Since it'll probably come up I put this up here as people went nuts when the president went on vacation following the most vacationed president of all time.
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SoWal Insider
Before the president is accused of using millions of times the vetoes of past presidents lets put the record on the table:
http://www.senate.gov/reference/Legislation/Vetoes/vetoCounts.htm
[TABLE="align: center"]
[TR="class: contentsubtitle"]
[TD="align: left"]President (Years)[/TD]
[TD="width: 20%, align: center"]Coinciding Congresses[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 4, align: center"]Vetoes[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: contentsubtitle"]
[TD="width: 11%"]Regular[/TD]
[TD="width: 11%"]Pocket[/TD]
[TD="width: 11%"]Total[/TD]
[TD="width: 12%"]Overridden[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Barack H. Obama (2009-present)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]113-111[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]George W. Bush (2001-2009)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]110-107[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]12 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]12 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
William J. Clinton (1993-2001)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]106-103[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]36 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]37 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
George H. W. Bush (1989-1993) [SUP]1[/SUP][/TD]
[TD="align: center"]102-101[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]29 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]15 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]44 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989) [SUP]2[/SUP][/TD]
[TD="align: center"]100-97[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]39 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]39 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]78 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Jimmy Carter (1977-1981)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]96-95[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]13 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]18 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]31 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2 [/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The list does go back to Washington, but I figured we could limit it to recent presidents.
Also, the all time record is 372 held by FDR, and for a 2 term president the record is 180 with Truman.
Since it'll probably come up I put this up here as people went nuts when the president went on vacation following the most vacationed president of all time.
Kind of hard to veto bills that never make it past a desk....a la Harry Reid's.
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Beach Fanatic
Kind of hard to veto bills that never make it past a desk....a la Harry Reid's.
Lets revisit this thread after the next two years....or even the next two months once the new congress is seated. I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict that we will soon have a new leader.
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I agree, Boehner will be replaced.
Beach Fanatic
I think the greatest source of cognitive dissonance is going to be between Mitch MCConnel and Ted Cruz. MCConnel has an opportunity to make history by striking deals with the President. Deep down, that may be what he wants to do, but it will difficult for him to resist the pressure and temptation to go full retard along with the GOP base. GOP congress is far more cray cray than the Senate, but still, with guys like Cruz in the mix, there will be relentless pressure to go all in on some really terrible impossible ideas such as totally dismantling ACA or impeaching the President. The Repubs always squander their good fortune. It happens every time. It happened in 2012. There is no way they should have hande victory to Obama, but that is in fact what they did. I have complete confidence that they will screw themselves once more.
Beach Fanatic
Well, I'm not sure about Boehner, but I am positive about Harry Reid.
Beach Fanatic
That's pretty good that you were able to deduce that that the majority leader can't be someone in the minority party.
Beach Fanatic
You know exactly what I was saying. Keep spinning, you're beginning to look like a top.
SWGBAuthor
It's pretty clear to me that Mitch McConnell is the level head in the senate and is trying to keep things civil. Unfortunately the teatards won't be happy until they've completely destroyed the GOP.
Beach Fanatic
It's pretty clear to me that Mitch McConnell is the level head in the senate and is trying to keep things civil. Unfortunately the teatards won't be happy until they've completely destroyed the GOP.
Isn't part of the reason so many Republicans won is because a lot of them are non-teabaggers? Isn't the tea party starting to look more and more like a failed experiment? I'm not optimistic, but aside from Ted Cruz (and maybe Rand Paul), I don't know if the crazy level in the Senate is all that high. Congress is a different story, but that's always been a barnyard of crazy oddball lunatics. You'd swear they were all from Florida. I think the GOP is starting to remove some of the tea stain, but maybe I'm wrong. Tell me.
SWGBAuthor
Isn't part of the reason so many Republicans won is because a lot of them are non-teabaggers? Isn't the tea party starting to look more and more like a failed experiment? I'm not optimistic, but aside from Ted Cruz (and maybe Rand Paul), I don't know if the crazy level in the Senate is all that high. Congress is a different story, but that's always been a barnyard of crazy oddball lunatics. You'd swear they were all from Florida. I think the GOP is starting to remove some of the tea stain, but maybe I'm wrong. Tell me.
The next majority leader of the senate will be the tell. Joni and Ted wouldn't say it would be Mitch McConnell, I think the tea crazy's are making a play for the senate.
Beach Fanatic
Way too many Old Guard Republicans would never stand for Ted.
Beach Fanatic
Do any of you ultra liberals posting on this site have any idea of what the Tea Party's principles and opinions really are? Have any of you attended even one of their meetings? From all of your posts, you are one of two things. Either completely afraid of our country recharting the course it is now on or totally misinformed about what the Tea Party stands for. The American public recently said, rechart the course.
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Sarah Palin
Allen West
Louie Gohmert
Michele Bachmann
Ted Cruz
Glenn Beck
Etc..........
What else does one need to know?
Allen West
Louie Gohmert
Michele Bachmann
Ted Cruz
Glenn Beck
Etc..........
What else does one need to know?
Beach Fanatic
I notice, as usual, when you don't have a cogent answer, you ignore the question and spin. Once again, I am breaking my promise not to respond to your inane posts. I'll try to do better in the future.
Banned
It's a very clear answer. One just needs to observe the prominent teaparty leaders to understand their principles. It's similar to the mission statement of a corporation vs their real world behavior. I am not a rightwing news site or e-mail. I can't guarantee you will hear the answer you want to hear.
Edit: it's interesting you mention ignore. I'm still waiting for an answer to the meaning of your post in the ebola thread.
Edit: it's interesting you mention ignore. I'm still waiting for an answer to the meaning of your post in the ebola thread.
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Beach Fanatic
Maybe it's just my imagination, but I'm getting the impression that even after the trouncing the dems just took, the level of butthurt on the right far exceeds that on the left. I'm not just talking here on Sowal. I mean everywhere you look, it seems a though the left is taking it in stride. The right is all fired up. I think they are in for a rude awakening when they see how much power, with the stroke of a pen, that this president really has.
SWGBAuthor
Do any of you ultra liberals posting on this site have any idea of what the Tea Party's principles and opinions really are? Have any of you attended even one of their meetings? From all of your posts, you are one of two things. Either completely afraid of our country recharting the course it is now on or totally misinformed about what the Tea Party stands for. The American public recently said, rechart the course.
No not really, I usually can't read their misspelled words.
Seriously though it seems to be a bunch of white people very concerned about the future of our country who's concern arose, oddly *rolls eyes*, at the same time as a black man was elected president. Most of their "solutions" are misinformed, poorly thought out and panic driven.
Did I miss anything?
Beach Fanatic
Obviously, Local, you have never attended a meeting. We have had Black Americans attend on several occasions. I no longer attend meetings as the South Walton Tea Party folded and I won't drive to DeFuniak Springs so I don't know if the Black member is still attending or not.
Beach Fanatic
Well, he must be a racist. The Lamestream Media said the Tea Party is racist, so it must be so.
Banned
Obviously, Local, you have never attended a meeting. We have had Black Americans attend on several occasions. I no longer attend meetings as the South Walton Tea Party folded and I won't drive to DeFuniak Springs so I don't know if the Black member is still attending or not.
I once met a white Democrat, but that was years ago. I'm not sure if he is still a Democrat.
Beach Fanatic
This reminds me of that Dave Chappelle routine where he plays a blind black KKK member int the deep South who doesn't who doesn't know he's black. 
Moderator
...I think they are in for a rude awakening when they see how much power, with the stroke of a pen, that this president really has.
Not taking sides, but I think it bears a look to see what the perception will be once bills start coming out of Congress that get killed with the pen. Two ways to look at everything. Loads have said that the Republicans were the obstructionists, but if the Pres kills everything that comes across his desk, that perception is very likely to change.
Bill Clinton figured it out after he lost control. He came back to the center a bit and got a lot done in the back end of his term. Not sure that's going to happen here.
SWGBAuthor
Obviously, Local, you have never attended a meeting. We have had Black Americans attend on several occasions. I no longer attend meetings as the South Walton Tea Party folded and I won't drive to DeFuniak Springs so I don't know if the Black member is still attending or not.
So this amazing movement that will carry on for decades has already folded? I'm shocked, no really.
Beach Fanatic
Not taking sides, but I think it bears a look to see what the perception will be once bills start coming out of Congress that get killed with the pen. Two ways to look at everything. Loads have said that the Republicans were the obstructionists, but if the Pres kills everything that comes across his desk, that perception is very likely to change.
Bill Clinton figured it out after he lost control. He came back to the center a bit and got a lot done in the back end of his term. Not sure that's going to happen here.
Considering what the Republicans are likely to come up up with, I sure hope the President is considered obstructionist. If it's something reasonable then I hope that the Pres is willing to compromise. I have serious doubts that the GOP is going to be reasonable, but we'll see. [edit] Back in Clinton's day, the right was relatively reasonable when it came to policy. The only visceral hatred they had for Bill was due to his penis, not his mere existence.
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Beach Fanatic
Considering what the Republicans are likely to come up up with, I sure hope the President is considered obstructionist. If it's something reasonable then I hope that the Pres is willing to compromise. I have serious doubts that the GOP is going to be reasonable, but we'll see. [edit] Back in Clinton's day, the right was relatively reasonable when it came to policy. The only visceral hatred they had for Bill was due to his penis, not his mere existence.
There will surely be the vendetta agenda for a few months. Clinton went to the center fairly quickly and was productive..cautiously optimistic.
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