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Lets talk veto

Matt J avatar
SWGB
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Before the president is accused of using millions of times the vetoes of past presidents lets put the record on the table:

http://www.senate.gov/reference/Legislation/Vetoes/vetoCounts.htm

[TABLE="align: center"]
[TR="class: contentsubtitle"]
[TD="align: left"]President (Years)[/TD]
[TD="width: 20%, align: center"]Coinciding Congresses[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 4, align: center"]Vetoes[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: contentsubtitle"]
[TD="width: 11%"]Regular[/TD]
[TD="width: 11%"]Pocket[/TD]
[TD="width: 11%"]Total[/TD]
[TD="width: 12%"]Overridden[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Barack H. Obama (2009-present)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]113-111[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]George W. Bush (2001-2009)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]110-107[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]12 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]12 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
William J. Clinton (1993-2001)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]106-103[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]36 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]37 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
George H. W. Bush (1989-1993) [SUP]1[/SUP][/TD]
[TD="align: center"]102-101[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]29 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]15 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]44 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989) [SUP]2[/SUP][/TD]
[TD="align: center"]100-97[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]39 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]39 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]78 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]9 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Jimmy Carter (1977-1981)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]96-95[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]13 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]18 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]31 [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2 [/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

The list does go back to Washington, but I figured we could limit it to recent presidents.

Also, the all time record is 372 held by FDR, and for a 2 term president the record is 180 with Truman.

Since it'll probably come up I put this up here as people went nuts when the president went on vacation following the most vacationed president of all time.

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m1a1mg avatar
Beach Fanatic
#27
Clinton was way more centrist from the start than Obama could ever hope to be. Never forget, Clinton did manage to govern in Arkansas.
j p nettles avatar
Banned
#28
Liberals aren't going to change conservative minds and vice versa. Some of us believe in the separation of powers and limited government and following that concept should apply to both Democrats and Republicans. Obama seems determined to undermine the separation of powers. His administration has demonstrated that by ignoring congressional subpoenas and the president's illegal appointments in the NLRB. I believe he really sees himself as King Barack Hussein. Some of his cheerleaders seem to be OK with letting him be King.

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Leader of the Banned avatar
Beach Fanatic
#29
Clinton was way more centrist from the start than Obama could ever hope to be. Never forget, Clinton did manage to govern in Arkansas.

The GOP slogan should be "I was for it until Obama was for it. I was against it, until Obama was against it". It wasn't like that with Clinton.
m1a1mg avatar
Beach Fanatic
#30
The GOP slogan should be "I was for it until Obama was for it. I was against it, until Obama was against it". It wasn't like that with Clinton.
I'm sure that fits into your nice predisposition about the right. The reason the right doesn't like Obama is that he is so far left. Of course, many of you attribute that not liking him racism, because you can't wrap your brains around the fact that not everyone else agrees with your enlightened leader.
Matt J avatar
SWGBAuthor
#31
Liberals aren't going to change conservative minds and vice versa. Some of us believe in the separation of powers and limited government and following that concept should apply to both Democrats and Republicans. Obama seems determined to undermine the separation of powers. His administration has demonstrated that by ignoring congressional subpoenas and the president's illegal appointments in the NLRB. I believe he really sees himself as King Barack Hussein. Some of his cheerleaders seem to be OK with letting him be King.

It would be King Obama if that were true, at least attempt to get your titles right.

Again, conservatives like yourself, talk out of both sides of their mouths. You demand that Obama solve the issues in the middle east, Ebola and economic issues, but the moment he takes action you start screaming about him taking action without your personal approval. What would you like him to do take action or do nothing? Your side has nothing down pat.
Beach Lover
#32
The logical inference from the thread title would seem to indicate that there are those who feel that Mr. Hopenchange is planning on being (horrors) an obstructionist!

How deliciously ironic!:cool:
Leader of the Banned avatar
Beach Fanatic
#33
GOP still hasn't gotten over that ACA passed with virtually no support from them. They fought it tooth and nail. They even shut down the government as a hostage in order to get their way. It didn't work. I think obstructionism via veto will be called for in the next 2 years, but I think that the conflict is really going to be be within the Republican party itself. It's going to be messy, but very interesting. The is no motivation for the President to cave, so why should he? He showed them who was boss last year when the GOP shut down the government, he'll have to keep schooling them some more.
m1a1mg avatar
Beach Fanatic
#34
Yep, because nothing screams leadership like passing a bill so you can then read it. Brilliant.
Beach Lover
#35
Obamacare was instrumental in the Dems getting their arses handed to them this past election. Why in the world would any Republican have voted for a law that has NEVER had the support of the American people? Obama's spread-the-wealth vision of Utopia is backfiring in the face of the Dems, but the emperor is charging forward, as defiant and narcissistic as ever. I am all for him, we all see how that worked this election. I am not sure they taught Leadership 101 in community organizing school.
m1a1mg avatar
Beach Fanatic
#36
I've heard elections have consequences. I guess we'll have to see.

However, if the idiots on the right who are talking impeachment get their way, watch out.
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Beach Fanatic
#37
I'm glad ACA passed, not that I need it. It's a good thing for the country, and major accomplishment for the president. I couldn't care less that it might have cost the dems the Senate, and I couldn't care less about the President's legacy. ***MISSION ACCOMPLISHED****
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#38
Obamacare was instrumental in the Dems getting their arses handed to them this past election. Why in the world would any Republican have voted for a law that has NEVER had the support of the American people? Obama's spread-the-wealth vision of Utopia is backfiring in the face of the Dems, but the emperor is charging forward, as defiant and narcissistic as ever. I am all for him, we all see how that worked this election. I am not sure they taught Leadership 101 in community organizing school.

What is your objection to the Affordable Care Act?
j p nettles avatar
Banned
#39
Those of you who think Obamacare is so great, why is it that all the jobs that have been created are part time low wage jobs and the typical work week is fewer than 20 hours? If you don't believe this ask an employee at Home Depot or other retailers.
Matt J avatar
SWGBAuthor
#40
Those of you who think Obamacare is so great, why is it that all the jobs that have been created are part time low wage jobs and the typical work week is fewer than 20 hours? If you don't believe this ask an employee at Home Depot or other retailers.

By all means feel free to back that up with facts. Or are we just talking about the current holiday season that has traditionally been hundreds of thousands of part time jobs? Just admit that you can't stand that the ACA has worked, continues to work and will work for many years to come. Is it perfect? No, and it needs tweaks, but until you offer a solution I'll never support repeal.
j p nettles avatar
Banned
#41
It would be King Obama if that were true, at least attempt to get your titles right.

Again, conservatives like yourself, talk out of both sides of their mouths. You demand that Obama solve the issues in the middle east, Ebola and economic issues, but the moment he takes action you start screaming about him taking action without your personal approval. What would you like him to do take action or do nothing? Your side has nothing down pat.

When have I ever demanded that Obama solve any problems? Government creates problems. I'm a capitalist. I believe that the government ought to get out of the way and let the free market system work. Have Obama and the Democrats even come up with a budget? The biggest economic problem we have is the ever growing national debt. I'd do away with a lot of government agencies. What I expect of any president is that he does his job in enforcing laws. Obama seems bent on helping illegal aliens and others get away with breaking the law.
Leader of the Banned avatar
Beach Fanatic
#42
I'm also glad that for the last eight years, we had a Democratic rather than Republican President appoint two Supreme Court justices. This is no small issue, especially since the next appointment could come from a Republican president. We don't know, and I sure hope that doesn't happen, but think how much worse it could be. Once again
***MISSION ACCOMPLISHED****
Matt J avatar
SWGBAuthor
#43
When have I ever demanded that Obama solve any problems? Government creates problems. I'm a capitalist. I believe that the government ought to get out of the way and let the free market system work. Have Obama and the Democrats even come up with a budget? The biggest economic problem we have is the ever growing national debt. I'd do away with a lot of government agencies. What I expect of any president is that he does his job in enforcing laws. Obama seems bent on helping illegal aliens and others get away with breaking the law.

Then you should be thrilled with Obama's ability to cut the deficit in half over the past 6 years despite being stonewalled during 4 of them.
carson avatar
Beach Fanatic
#44
Then you should be thrilled with Obama's ability to cut the deficit in half over the past 6 years despite being stonewalled during 4 of them.

Funny stuff...net neutrality explained to Ted Cruz. http://theoatmeal.com/blog/net_neutrality
Banned
#45
Those of you who think Obamacare is so great, why is it that all the jobs that have been created are part time low wage jobs and the typical work week is fewer than 20 hours? If you don't believe this ask an employee at Home Depot or other retailers.

It's a choice. Blame your employer for being a cheapass who cares nothing about the health and well being of his employees. It's the same for employers who pay the minimum wage. They are saying I would really like to pay you less but it's against the law.
Banned
#46
When have I ever demanded that Obama solve any problems? Government creates problems. I'm a capitalist. I believe that the government ought to get out of the way and let the free market system work. Have Obama and the Democrats even come up with a budget? The biggest economic problem we have is the ever growing national debt. I'd do away with a lot of government agencies. What I expect of any president is that he does his job in enforcing laws. Obama seems bent on helping illegal aliens and others get away with breaking the law.

How far out of the way?
Banned
#47
Funny stuff...net neutrality explained to Ted Cruz. http://theoatmeal.com/blog/net_neutrality

How many conservatives here think "the government should get out of the way and let the free market system work" on the subject of net neutrality?
carson avatar
Beach Fanatic
#48
How many conservatives here think "the government should get out of the way and let the free market system work" on the subject of net neutrality?

I think it is fairly non-partisan outside of numbnuts and a few of his cronies. A real, potential mess. Government shutdown, or Internet shutdown, what would piss the masses off more.
m1a1mg avatar
Beach Fanatic
#49
Net neutrality is a very touchy subject. While the obvious easy choice is to allow full freedom of the internet, bandwidth hogs like Netflix make us all pay more.

Of course, I'd rather see it decided by the legislative branch, like is supposed to happen. Then again, if Obama is such a net neutrality guy, why'd he pick a cable bigshot for the FCC.

I think Obama's posturing myself. Playing to the idiots that actually thought he'd be different once he got to the White House. How's that whole hopey, changey, transparency working for you?

carson, watch how the vote plays out. Neither party has clean hands when it comes to taking huge gobs of cash from the cable industry. If you scroll down to the party split chart, you'll see that the Dems have sucked the teat a tiny bit more. Yeah 'Murrica. http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=C2200

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carson avatar
Beach Fanatic
#501
Net neutrality is a very touchy subject. While the obvious easy choice is to allow full freedom of the internet, bandwidth hogs like Netflix make us all pay more.

Of course, I'd rather see it decided by the legislative branch, like is supposed to happen. Then again, if Obama is such a net neutrality guy, why'd he pick a cable bigshot for the FCC.

I think Obama's posturing myself. Playing to the idiots that actually thought he'd be different once he got to the White House. How's that whole hopey, changey, transparency working for you?

carson, watch how the vote plays out. Neither party has clean hands when it comes to taking huge gobs of cash from the cable industry. If you scroll down to the party split chart, you'll see that the Dems have sucked the teat a tiny bit more. Yeah 'Murrica. http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=C2200

Happy Veteran's Day and thank you for your service. This guy is 108 and still a bad ass!

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Leader of the Banned avatar
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#511
If you level off the photo properly, it looks like the gun could be pointed at someone's upstairs bedroom window. Look at the size of his hands! He could grab you by the neck with one hand and strangle you.




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