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What is your objection to the Affordable Care Act?

My objection is that I like my insurance, therefore I wish to keep my insurance, period. My objection is I like my doctor(s), therefore I wish to keep my doctor(s), period. My objection lies in the fact that a massive, intrusive, unwieldy, poorly conceived law was literally crammed down the throats of an unwilling American people. And only through deception and legislative chicanery was this accomplished. My objection lies in the fact that i do not want Obama, Pelosi, or any of the pin-headed liberal architects telling me what coverage I must have and where I must buy it. My objective lies in the fact that this law flies in the face of the long standing American values of freedom of choice (that phrase should ring a bell with the liberal audience of this forum). My objection stems from a belief that confiscated money from working people, when said money then gets filtered through many layers of federal and state bureaucracy to help uninsured people is not cost effective. We all would be exponentially better off to simply give those people money to buy insurance in the open market. My objection is triggered by the negative effect that this law has had, and will continue to have on the economy of this country. Allow me to interject that the the average American's income is down 8% since Mr. CHANGE WE NEED assumed office. What exactly is it that you like about Obamacare, oops, sorry, the ACA?

By all means feel free to back that up with facts. Or are we just talking about the current holiday season that has traditionally been hundreds of thousands of part time jobs? Just admit that you can't stand that the ACA has worked, continues to work and will work for many years to come. Is it perfect? No, and it needs tweaks, but until you offer a solution I'll never support repeal.

Read it and weep.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...nths-jobs-headlines-dont-tell-the-true-story/

Read it and weep.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/07/03/the-insiders-this-months-jobs-headlines-dont-tell-the-true-story/

Local. Read this and realize and accept the truth.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/12/obamacares-jonathan-gruber-caught-on-second-tape-c/

My objection is that I like my insurance, therefore I wish to keep my insurance, period. My objection is I like my doctor(s), therefore I wish to keep my doctor(s), period. My objection lies in the fact that a massive, intrusive, unwieldy, poorly conceived law was literally crammed down the throats of an unwilling American people. And only through deception and legislative chicanery was this accomplished. My objection lies in the fact that i do not want Obama, Pelosi, or any of the pin-headed liberal architects telling me what coverage I must have and where I must buy it. My objective lies in the fact that this law flies in the face of the long standing American values of freedom of choice (that phrase should ring a bell with the liberal audience of this forum). My objection stems from a belief that confiscated money from working people, when said money then gets filtered through many layers of federal and state bureaucracy to help uninsured people is not cost effective. We all would be exponentially better off to simply give those people money to buy insurance in the open market. My objection is triggered by the negative effect that this law has had, and will continue to have on the economy of this country. Allow me to interject that the the average American's income is down 8% since Mr. CHANGE WE NEED assumed office. What exactly is it that you like about Obamacare, oops, sorry, the ACA?

I have a feeling you didn't lose your insurance plan or your doctor since this happens to very few people.

One of the things I really, really like is the fact that every Obamacare horror story the wingnuts came up with were so quickly and thoroughly debunked as outright lies that Conservatives were forced to give up trying to invent new ones.

I like the fact people can't be turned down for pre-existing conditions.

I like the fact that insurance companies are no longer allowed to sell junk policies. I know Conservatives never feel more patriotic than when they are paying big corporations money for substandard services or products, but under Obamacare there are now minimum coverage requirements for all policies.

Maybe my last sentence wasn't exactly correct. Conservatives probably never feel more patriotic than when they are denying services or basic human rights to people living in poverty. I have to say I am very happy those who previously couldn't afford healthcare for their families are now able to thanks to Obamacare.

Here are seven quick points about why I like Obamacare. As LOTB said "Mission Accomplished!"

1. More people have healthcare, the number of people without insurance fell by something like 10 to 12 million, once you add in the young adult who got coverage because of the law's under-26 provision. Meanwhile, hospitals
are reporting that they are seeing fewer and fewer uninsured patients.

2. People who are getting health insurance are almost certainly better off. It seems that people who have insurance are better off than those without. People who get health insurance from the program are significantly less likely to experience financial distress and significantly more likely to report better mental health.

3. “Winners” probably outnumbered “losers” in the new marketplaces. The law also provides tax credits, which offset part or all of the increase for most people, and it actually reduces the price of coverage for people who once higher rates because they were relatively old or in poor health. As a result, many people paid less for their insurance in 2014 than they had in 2013. And we all know how much Republicans love tax credits. Some of the best evidence I've seen comes from a survey, by the Kaiser Foundation, of people who had previously bought their own, individual insurance policies and had to switch plans because those old plans were not compliant with Obamacare regulations. Of those people, 46 percent of respondents said they ended up paying less, while just 39 percent said they were paying more and 15 percent said they were paying the same. Throw in the fact that most of these people were also getting more comprehensive benefits—and that the survey didn’t even include people who, because of their low incomes, were able to qualify for Medicaid—it seems very likely that there were more winners than losers.
Oh, and don't forget that, in Commonwealth Fund surveys, 68 percent of the people buying marketplace plans rated them as either "good," "very good," or "excellent."

4. Premiums in the marketplaces aren't rising quickly, and more insurers are jumping in to compete. Once the websites were working and enrollment in the new marketplaces increased dramatically, some of the law’s critics fell back on a different argument: Only older and sicker people were signing up for coverage. Carriers would jack up premiums or abandon the marketplaces altogether. Both predictions have proven spectacularly untrue. Multiple studies have shown that, between 2013 and 2014, premiums inside the marketplaces are barely rising.

5. Employer premiums also aren't rising quickly. With all of the attention on the marketplaces, it’s easy to forget that the vast majority of people don’t use them. Most working-age Americans get health insurance through their employers. The law’s critics had predicted Obamacare would disrupt their coverage, too, by causing premiums to skyrocket. Once again, that prediction turned out to be dead wrong.

7. The net effect on the budget has been to reduce the deficit. Say what you will about Obamacare’s architects, but they took their fiscal responsibilities seriously. The law calls for new spending, since the government now has to underwrite the costs of both an expanded Medicaid program and all those subsidies for people buying health insurance. But for every dollar in new spending, there is at least one dollar in either new revenue or new spending cuts. The net effect, according to the CBO, is to reduce the deficit.

I think as one of the richest countries in the world, there needs to be healthcare for all US citizens and legal residents.

I also think that a government that can't do anything else right can't create this.

EDIT: Left off a really important 't.

Some of the posts on this thread infuriate me. I'm a conservative Republican.

If you level off the photo properly, it looks like the gun could be pointed at someone's upstairs bedroom window. Look at the size of his hands! He could grab you by the neck with one hand and strangle you.

The most important thing I get from the pic is that the properly trained gun enthusiast knows not to have his finger on the bang button when he isn't shooting.

He's 108 and still drives himself to church. Way tougher than me.

The weapon looks like a Thompson. For all the gun control fanatics a Thompson really is a fully automatic firearm.

I think as one of the richest countries in the world, there needs to be healthcare for all US citizens and legal residents. I also think that a government that can't do anything else right can't create this. EDIT: Left off a really important 't.

Are really saying you can't think of one thing the government does right?

Are really saying you can't think of one thing the government does right?

Holidays?

I know, get a real job. Anyway, no entity of the government that I've ever dealt with has been very competent.

28 years around the military. Certainly not competent. Especially with money.

INS. Family moved here in 1961. The lost our records for 16 years.

IRS. I currently owe them money. In 2014, they can't manage to deduct money directly from my account. 6 letters, two trips to Panama City, and umpteen phone calls. Abysmal.

I deal with TRICARE, which is managed by a civilian contractor. When it was CHAMPUS, managed by the government, you'd probably die first.

To be fair, I mostly like the parks department.

Suggestions?

EDIT: FDIC works.

Whether you think it's cost effective or not, let's be honest about one thing, the postal service is awesome. I've ordered lots of things online and have received them very quickly most of the time with no shipping charge. UPS is pretty good, and they have better tracking than the postal service. So far FEDEX has been the worst except for when they work with the postal service via smart post.

I shipped a Priority Mail package from here to my son in Kansas. It went to Phoenix, NYC, and Denver before going to Kansas. In 8 days.

But I will grant that they are significantly cheaper than most of the rest of the world. And they work well with Amazon/UPS. And they are really good at making sure I get all my junk mail.

Take your letters to UPS or Fedex and see what it cost to mail across the country. I send everything via the post office.

Ya'll are forgetting about the military-industrial complex. The U.S. Government designs and builds the biggest and baddest weapon systems in the world. We supply weapons to nearly every nation in the Middle East. Even ISIS uses our weapons. And in addition to selling weapons overseas, we funnel billions of dollars to the huge, bloated corporations that build these weapon system. This "marriage" works great and the rich keep getting richer. This is what God and the Neocons want, isn't it?

I shipped a Priority Mail package from here to my son in Kansas. It went to Phoenix, NYC, and Denver before going to Kansas. In 8 days.

But I will grant that they are significantly cheaper than most of the rest of the world. And they work well with Amazon/UPS. And they are really good at making sure I get all my junk mail.

They don't do anything with UPS. They work with FEDEX. Fedex ships things to the local post office, and then the item gets delivered by mail. It seems like everyone on ebay uses the postal service and it's usually "fast and free" I think is the term they use. From almost anywhere in the country I can get stuff in 2 days. I have absolutely no complaints about the postal service, in fact, they get high praise from me. I don't know why junk mail is a problem. Just throw it away. That's not the fault of the postal service.

Amazon primarily only uses FEDEX now for heavy ground shipments.

All of my Amazon Prime packages that UPS does not turn over to the USPS are delivered to my door by a guy in a brown truck. I'll take pictures next time if you like. The package that arrived in my mail box last Friday originated with UPS in Lexington, KY. Friday morning it was handed over to the USPS for delivery. I know, I tracked it.

Since you seem so determined to be right, when you are in fact wrong, I'll help:

Q. Why does the Post Office have my UPS Mail Innovations package?
A. UPS Mail Innovations works with the U.S. Postal Service, providing the pick-up, processing, and interim transportation of mail, with final delivery being made by domestic and international postal services.

Amazon primarily only uses FEDEX now for heavy ground shipments. All of my Amazon Prime packages that UPS does not turn over to the USPS are delivered to my door by a guy in a brown truck. I'll take pictures next time if you like. The package that arrived in my mail box last Friday originated with UPS in Lexington, KY. Friday morning it was handed over to the USPS for delivery. I know, I tracked it. Since you seem so determined to be right, when you are in fact wrong, I'll help: Q. Why does the Post Office have my UPS Mail Innovations package? A. UPS Mail Innovations works with the U.S. Postal Service, providing the pick-up, processing, and interim transportation of mail, with final delivery being made by domestic and international postal services.

Two labor unions working together to deliver your packages.

Amazon primarily only uses FEDEX now for heavy ground shipments.

All of my Amazon Prime packages that UPS does not turn over to the USPS are delivered to my door by a guy in a brown truck. I'll take pictures next time if you like. The package that arrived in my mail box last Friday originated with UPS in Lexington, KY. Friday morning it was handed over to the USPS for delivery. I know, I tracked it.

Since you seem so determined to be right, when you are in fact wrong, I'll help:

Q. Why does the Post Office have my UPS Mail Innovations package?
A. UPS Mail Innovations works with the U.S. Postal Service, providing the pick-up, processing, and interim transportation of mail, with final delivery being made by domestic and international postal services.

I stand corrected. I haven't ordered anything from Amazon in 6 months. I have something coming right now via USPS, which is the case with most things I've ordered. I always use free super saver shipping. I don't use Prime. I have no complaints. My personal experience with the post office is that delivery is efficient, fast, and usually free.

I stand corrected. I haven't ordered anything from Amazon in 6 months. I have something coming right now via USPS, which is the case with most things I've ordered. I always use fre super saver shipping. I don't use Prime. I have no complaints.

Fair enough. I buy and sell on ebay a bit. I've had a few issues with the USPS.

Two labor unions working together to deliver your packages.

Good. As long as they aren't making me pay more for ridiculous benefits packages for unskilled labor, I'm fine. Watching a guy at the Corvette factory make $28 per hour plus benefits made me ill.

Good. As long as they aren't making me pay more for ridiculous benefits packages for unskilled labor, I'm fine. Watching a guy at the Corvette factory make $28 per hour plus benefits made me ill.

Why would it make you ill, were you the one paying him?

Why would it make you ill, were you the one paying him?

I think you've hit the nail on the head as to why conservatives really can get under my skin. They spend too much time worrying that someone they perceive as inferior is managing to game the system as well as they have. Tthey walk around with this woe is me attitude even if everything in their lives by all objective measures is going well. I can't imagine spending every waking hour looking at people and instantly making an assessment as to whether they deserve their salary. If these unskilled people have it so good, then why aren't you doing that kind of work is what I'd like to ask them. Are you trying to tell me that no factory workers building cars deserve at least $60K a year?

I think you've hit the nail on the head as to why conservatives really can get under my skin. They spend too much time worrying that someone they perceive as inferior is managing to game the system as well as they have. Tthey walk around with this woe is me attitude even if everything in their lives by all objective measures is going well. I can't imagine spending every waking hour looking at people and instantly making an assessment as to whether they deserve their salary. If these unskilled people have it so good, then why aren't you doing that kind of work is what I'd like to ask them. Are you trying to tell me that no factory workers building cars deserve at least $60K a year?

With a 60k starting price on Vettes and average sales price of almost 70k, Chevrolet is doing a-ok even with union labor. Unions aren't bad, they are needed, it is the epitomy of checks and balances in corporate industrial (mainly) America. In the last 30 years in the auto industry we have seen the negative effects of either side having too much leverage. Lost sales, increased foreign competition, inferior products, ultimately lost jobs with either side too much in control.

You guys are funny. What made me ill is the pure insanity of unions in the US. Paying unskilled labor high wages works it's was down to everyone having to pay higher prices. Are there jobs at the Corvette factory that deserve skilled wages? Of course. Is the guy who pushes one button on a machine that puts all 5 lug nuts on at once skilled labor? Not a freaking chance. Just like the SEIU wanting fast food workers to make $15 per hour.

Unlike every other place in the world, unions in the US primarily concern themselves with getting more stuff for their members. (Let's be real. In 1900, unions did a lot for workers pay, safety, and working conditions that they don't do now.) What frustrates me is having lived in other countries and seeing unions that are professional organizations. You don't find that in the US.

I have worked in a union shop making steel parts for beer kegs and some car parts. About 25%, including me, was non-union. I had two idiots threaten to kick my a** because I was working too hard and making them look bad. Just a hint, it wasn't me that made them look bad.

I also have a very close friend that works as a pipe fitter in a union shop. What he does is really dangerous. His union works to insure he has safe working conditions. I'm all in favor of that.

Leader, liberals get under my skin because the want to take the money that someone worked really hard to get and give it to someone else. Let everyone in the US that wants to come. Someone else will pay for it. Pay McD's workers $15 an hour. Someone else can pay the much higher prices.

Funny, in the short-lived coal thread, you made mention of not being concerned if electric prices go up. You'd be just fine. What about the poor, unwashed masses? How very Republican of you.

Just some facts:

The Associated Press reported that, for example, the average United Auto Workers member makes $29.78 per hour at GM, while Toyota pays its workers (most of whom are non-union) about $30 per hour. However, when total benefits (including pensions and health care for workers, retirees and their spouses) is factored in, GM's total hourly labor costs is about $69, while Toyota's is about $48.