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You guys are funny. What made me ill is the pure insanity of unions in the US. Paying unskilled labor high wages works it's was down to everyone having to pay higher prices. Are there jobs at the Corvette factory that deserve skilled wages? Of course. Is the guy who pushes one button on a machine that puts all 5 lug nuts on at once skilled labor? Not a freaking chance. Just like the SEIU wanting fast food workers to make $15 per hour. Unlike every other place in the world, unions in the US primarily concern themselves with getting more stuff for their members. (Let's be real. In 1900, unions did a lot for workers pay, safety, and working conditions that they don't do now.) What frustrates me is having lived in other countries and seeing unions that are professional organizations. You don't find that in the US. I have worked in a union shop making steel parts for beer kegs and some car parts. About 25%, including me, was non-union. I had two idiots threaten to kick my a** because I was working too hard and making them look bad. Just a hint, it wasn't me that made them look bad. I also have a very close friend that works as a pipe fitter in a union shop. What he does is really dangerous. His union works to insure he has safe working conditions. I'm all in favor of that. Leader, liberals get under my skin because the want to take the money that someone worked really hard to get and give it to someone else. Let everyone in the US that wants to come. Someone else will pay for it. Pay McD's workers $15 an hour. Someone else can pay the much higher prices. Funny, in the short-lived coal thread, you made mention of not being concerned if electric prices go up. You'd be just fine. What about the poor, unwashed masses? How very Republican of you.

Funny, in the short-lived coal thread, you made mention of not being concerned if electric prices go up. You'd be just fine. What about the poor, unwashed masses? How very Republican of you.

Read it and weep.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...nths-jobs-headlines-dont-tell-the-true-story/

Local. Read this and realize and accept the truth.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/12/obamacares-jonathan-gruber-caught-on-second-tape-c/

You're talking about the troll post from jp nettles whose was sole purpose was to taunt people who he perceived as being financially disadvantaged. j.p. put forth a question to liberals on the board about how higher electric costs would affect our lives, so I answered it honestly. I spoke for myself. It won't affect my life. Higher electric cost are a problem for some people financially, but in the long run so is stagnation in developing highly feasible, less expensive alternative forms of of energy, which he ridiculed.

Who are you or the all knowing Kurt to decided what my sole intent was in the "troll post" as you and Kurt call it? I brought up a fact. The fact is that 40% of the electricity produced in the United States is from coal powered plants. This is a legitimate topic for discussion. and eliminating coal as a power source will create higher prices and eliminate an industry and jobs. To read into my post that my purpose was to taunt people who are disadvantaged is an arrogant assumption of the highest order. The fact is that liberal Democrats want to eliminate coal as a power source for electricity. Frankly, I get the message that you, and others on this forum want some of us to go away because we disagree with the politically correct point of view. If presenting facts and a point of view is a troll post and some arrogant pricks want to decided what one's intent is, I'm in the wrong place.

The next battle for King Barack Hussein. I hear that this was big on his agenda on his trip to China. Are you liberals ready for skyrocketing power bills? Why not just turn off all the coal burning plants and put up windmills and solar panels. The folks in Atlanta will be burning candles for a while.

I agree that most (Not all) Republicans have no problem with people who just manipulate money. I personally have an issue with people who manipulate money to other's detriment. But I'm sure that doesn't fit your narrative. You certainly do paint with a broad brush. Remember, George Soros, super dee duper Democrat funding machine, made his money manipulating a nation's currency. But that's probably OK because he's on your side? Right?

Who are you or the all knowing Kurt to decided what my sole intent was in the "troll post" as you and Kurt call it? I brought up a fact. The fact is that 40% of the electricity produced in the United States is from coal powered plants. This is a legitimate topic for discussion. and eliminating coal as a power source will create higher prices and eliminate an industry and jobs. To read into my post that my purpose was to taunt people who are disadvantaged is an arrogant assumption of the highest order. The fact is that liberal Democrats want to eliminate coal as a power source for electricity. Frankly, I get the message that you, and others on this forum want some of us to go away because we disagree with the politically correct point of view. If presenting facts and a point of view is a troll post and some arrogant pricks want to decided what one's intent is, I'm in the wrong place.

I have a feeling you didn't lose your insurance plan or your doctor since this happens to very few people. DO YOU CONSIDER 4.7 MILLION "VERY FEW"? MY DAUGHTER AND SEVERAL BUSINESS OWNER FRIENDS ARE INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER http://news.yahoo.com/policy-notifications-current-status-state-204701399.html SINCE THERE ARE NOW 214,000 AND RISING DOCTORS WHO ARE REFUSING TO SEE OBAMACARE PATIENTS, OUT OF 894,000 DOCTORS IN THE U.S., BTW THAT IS 24% FOR YOU LIBERAL ARTS MAJORS, HOW CAN PEOPLE NOT BE LOSING THEIR DOCTORS? http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/27/over-200000-doctors-avoiding-obamacare-plans/ One of the things I really, really like is the fact that every Obamacare horror story the wingnuts came up with were so quickly and thoroughly debunked as outright lies that Conservatives were forced to give up trying to invent new ones. LIKE DEATH PANELS? http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/11/12/Four-Times-Obamacare-Lie I like the fact people can't be turned down for pre-existing conditions. I LIKE THAT TOO, HOWEVER SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR IT I like the fact that insurance companies are no longer allowed to sell junk policies. I know Conservatives never feel more patriotic than when they are paying big corporations money for substandard services or products, but under Obamacare there are now minimum coverage requirements for all policies. SO LACTATION SERVICES FOR 60 YEAR OLD MALES SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO YOU? I "LIKE" FREEDOM OF CHOICE, NOT BEING HERDED LIKE LIVESTOCK. I SUPPOSE WE ALL LIKE DIFFERENT THINGS THOUGH Maybe my last sentence wasn't exactly correct. Conservatives probably never feel more patriotic than when they are denying services or basic human rights to people living in poverty. I have to say I am very happy those who previously couldn't afford healthcare for their families are now able to thanks to Obamacare. THEY STILL CANNOT "AFFORD" IT SINCE THEY ARE NOT PAYING FOR IT, THEY ARE BEING SUBSIDIZED. ANOTHER WAY TO INSURE AN UNDERCLASS THAT ALWAYS VOTES FOR THEIR HANDLERS, E.G. THE DEMS Here are seven quick points about why I like Obamacare. As LOTB said "Mission Accomplished!" 1. More people have healthcare, the number of people without insurance fell by something like 10 to 12 million, once you add in the young adult who got coverage because of the law's under-26 provision. Meanwhile, hospitals are reporting that they are seeing fewer and fewer uninsured patients. MANY YOUNG HEALTHY ADULTS DO NOT WANT NOR NEED HEALTH INSURANCE, NOW THEY GET TO SUBSIDIZE ANOTHER SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION 2. People who are getting health insurance are almost certainly better off. It seems that people who have insurance are better off than those without. People who get health insurance from the program are significantly less likely to experience financial distress and significantly more likely to report better mental health. ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE NOT THE ONES PAYING FOR IT 3. “Winners” probably outnumbered “losers” in the new marketplaces. The law also provides tax credits, which offset part or all of the increase for most people, and it actually reduces the price of coverage for people who once higher rates because they were relatively old or in poor health. As a result, many people paid less for their insurance in 2014 than they had in 2013. And we all know how much Republicans love tax credits. Some of the best evidence I've seen comes from a survey, by the Kaiser Foundation, of people who had previously bought their own, individual insurance policies and had to switch plans because those old plans were not compliant with Obamacare regulations. Of those people, 46 percent of respondents said they ended up paying less, while just 39 percent said they were paying more and 15 percent said they were paying the same. Throw in the fact that most of these people were also getting more comprehensive benefits—and that the survey didn’t even include people who, because of their low incomes, were able to qualify for Medicaid—it seems very likely that there were more winners than losers. Oh, and don't forget that, in Commonwealth Fund surveys, 68 percent of the people buying marketplace plans rated them as either "good," "very good," or "excellent." AVERAGE INCREASE OF 32% AS OPPOSED TO ""$2500 DECREASE IN PREMIUMS" ESPOUSED BY OBAMA. EVERY PERSON I KNOW WHO LOST THEIR INSURANCE IS PAYING MORE, SOME UP THEM ALMOST DOUBLE. http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/10/23/now-there-can-be-no-doubt-obamacare-will-increase-non-group-premiums-in-nearly-all-states/ 4. Premiums in the marketplaces aren't rising quickly, and more insurers are jumping in to compete. Once the websites were working and enrollment in the new marketplaces increased dramatically, some of the law’s critics fell back on a different argument: Only older and sicker people were signing up for coverage. Carriers would jack up premiums or abandon the marketplaces altogether. Both predictions have proven spectacularly untrue. Multiple studies have shown that, between 2013 and 2014, premiums inside the marketplaces are barely rising. PERHAPS BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER? 5. Employer premiums also aren't rising quickly. With all of the attention on the marketplaces, it’s easy to forget that the vast majority of people don’t use them. Most working-age Americans get health insurance through their employers. The law’s critics had predicted Obamacare would disrupt their coverage, too, by causing premiums to skyrocket. Once again, that prediction turned out to be dead wrong. DO YOU THINK THE FACT THAT THE EMPLOYER MANDATE HAS NOT YET TAKEN EFFECT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT? http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-employer-mandate/ 7. The net effect on the budget has been to reduce the deficit. Say what you will about Obamacare’s architects, but they took their fiscal responsibilities seriously. The law calls for new spending, since the government now has to underwrite the costs of both an expanded Medicaid program and all those subsidies for people buying health insurance. But for every dollar in new spending, there is at least one dollar in either new revenue or new spending cuts. The net effect, according to the CBO, is to reduce the deficit. A MASSIVE NEW GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM IS GOING TO REDUCE THE DEFICIT?? JUST LIKE SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE, EH? http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...no-doubt-obamacare-will-increase-the-deficit/

Just some facts: The Associated Press reported that, for example, the average United Auto Workers member makes $29.78 per hour at GM, while Toyota pays its workers (most of whom are non-union) about $30 per hour. However, when total benefits (including pensions and health care for workers, retirees and their spouses) is factored in, GM's total hourly labor costs is about $69, while Toyota's is about $48.

Due to provisions of Obamacare, I pay less overall for my medical care and have better coverage. I have the same health insurance plan I had before, with no government subsidy. I know many people far better off because they can now get insurance or have costly conditions covered.

I consider that damn good legislation.

How many people in this forum have Obamacare?

Who are you or the all knowing Kurt to decided what my sole intent was in the "troll post" as you and Kurt call it? I brought up a fact. The fact is that 40% of the electricity produced in the United States is from coal powered plants. This is a legitimate topic for discussion. and eliminating coal as a power source will create higher prices and eliminate an industry and jobs. To read into my post that my purpose was to taunt people who are disadvantaged is an arrogant assumption of the highest order. The fact is that liberal Democrats want to eliminate coal as a power source for electricity. Frankly, I get the message that you, and others on this forum want some of us to go away because we disagree with the politically correct point of view. If presenting facts and a point of view is a troll post and some arrogant pricks want to decided what one's intent is, I'm in the wrong place.

How many people in this forum have Obamacare?

Damn! Labor and management working together on wages and benefits. How un-Republican of them.

I have TRICARE.

Thank-you taxpayers. The nurse at the doctor's office the other day was shocked when I told her that I paid $57 a month for my dental insurance and $43 for my healthcare. With $12 co-pays and $25 for an outpatient procedure. All you have to do is give up 20+ years of your life and travel to interesting places.

I have TRICARE.

Thank-you taxpayers. The nurse at the doctor's office the other day was shocked when I told her that I paid $57 a month for my dental insurance and $43 for my healthcare. With $12 co-pays and $25 for an outpatient procedure. All you have to do is give up 20+ years of your life and travel to interesting places.