Take Back America

I think this is relevant to the discussion, but even if not, it's entertaining.

My $.02 is that I would vote for Bernie in the general election hands down, but I seriously doubt he will get enough delegates to win the nomination. There are a lot of populous states like California and New York where it will probably be Hillary all the way. I doubt Bernie will do very well in the South. I also sincerely think Hillary is more qualified to be president and has a much better chance of winning in November. Finally, I'm very liberal on social issues, but actually a little to the right of center when it comes to fiscal matters, big business, wall st. etc. Bill Clinton was probably the perfect match for my political leanings. I don't see Hillary as being much different. I don't care for Bernie's shrill anti-business and anti-capitalist tirades. I have voted once for a Republican presidential candidate, but in today's environment, there isn't a chance of that happening.

This sums up my thoughts too. That makes $0.04. The Republicans stand for too many things I can't accept. Plus, they are crazy.

After Hillary gets elected, Obama will be doing all his speaking from the Supreme Court bench.

Where he will announce he is the anti Christ.

Where he will announce he is the anti Christ.

and admits being Muslim.

We might be hastily assuming that Obama won't be serving a third term as president.

Oh please! Spare me the sermon! [edit] And to answer your pie in the sky hypothetical thought experiment question, the answer is of course I would vote for her if I thought she was the best choice no matter what line she crossed. This is ridiculous. It would mean that whomever she was running against is even worse. What mature moral adult wouldn't go that route?

What may be ridiculous is that the collective thought is that politicians like Hillary can be around for 30-40 years, taking money from everyone/corporation/government possible, and thinking, even remotely, that she could be the best possible outcome. You have to have a wide moral sphere to give this type of egregious behavior a pass.

This sums up my thoughts too. That makes $0.04. The Republicans stand for too many things I can't accept. Plus, they are crazy.

I'm referring specifically about Hillary. I'm challenging you giving her a pass because"she's your candidate", or the Republicans are crazy. At what point would you ever admit that she is also part of the problem?

Bob, you seem to be painting Clinton as some sort of hideous monster. Let's face it: they are clever, smart politicians. I had to admire someone who sat for 9 hours against an onslaught of Republican attack at the 9th Bengazi committee hearing, without flinching. Every election is always a choice of the lesser of two evils. What candidate are you favoring at this point?

If what I have shown you in this thread does not illustrate my point well enough for you, then, nothing will. Her sitting for 9 hours has nothing to do with how she conducts her never ending quest for tribute from anyone willing to give. This is not a Democrat/ Republican issue. This is about understanding who you are voting for and the rationalizations that allow political dynasties regardless of the greed and corruption.

What may be ridiculous is that the collective thought is that politicians like Hillary can be around for 30-40 years, taking money from everyone/corporation/government possible, and thinking, even remotely, that she could be the best possible outcome. You have to have a wide moral sphere to give this type of egregious behavior a pass.

Thankfully I don't share your view of Hillary, nor your moral compass.

The last tranformational candidate was Barack Obama and see what that got us. I'm not sure absolute moral imperatives are a wise criteria to use in presidential politics anymore. Is voting for Bernie the equivalent of voting for Nader?

The last tranformational candidate was Barack Obama and see what that got us. I'm not sure absolute moral imperatives are a wise criteria to use in presidential politics anymore. Is voting for Bernie the equivalent of voting for Nader?

Not exactly. If by chance Bernie were to absolutely demolish Hillary in the Primaries, then that might mean he's really strong going into the general election. I doubt this will happen. The thing that scares me about Bernie is that I don't see him getting crossover vote from Republicans. For example, I know a couple who wanted Ben Carson, who of course is out of the picture. They would vote for Hillary over Trump or Cruz. I don't know if they feel the same way about Bernie. I do know that if you use your heart rather than your head, and obsess over petty moral infractions and character flaws, then it's a recipe for disaster. Ask anyone who voted for GWB over Al Gore. Oh wait, that would be Bob, wouldn't it?

The last tranformational candidate was Barack Obama and see what that got us. I'm not sure absolute moral imperatives are a wise criteria to use in presidential politics anymore. Is voting for Bernie the equivalent of voting for Nader?

What you talkin' 'bout Willis?

I'm referring specifically about Hillary. I'm challenging you giving her a pass because"she's your candidate", or the Republicans are crazy. At what point would you ever admit that she is also part of the problem?

Tell us which Republican sleazebag you support and why.

If you read this thread you will soon realize why most conservatives no longer post on SoWal.

If you read this thread you will soon realize why most conservatives no longer post on SoWal.

There has always been a real mix in this forum and if anything I would say it leans right in our community. But I do like hearing from all sides and usually learn a lot. I particularly like hearing from people who are "moderate" and willing to not only share their views but encourage others to do so. My thinking is that conservatives are a loss of what to say about their party's predicament at the moment - or at least they are waiting to see how the Donald candidacy plays out (some of my Bama friends love him but wouldn't vote for him for President.. some only want to vote for him). I was disappointed to see Rand Paul leave the race - someone I can respect if not completely agree with. Jeb Bush - nice enough but his ideas are so old - was he frozen in time?

Would love to hear from any Cruz supporters. I don't know that much about him except lots of people (including conservatives) who don't like him.

Oh, I think we're all concerned when one of the major parties is in upheaval. I don't know what born again/evangelical even means but it doesn't sound good.

The people posting in this specific thread are basically split but its hard to really tell as it's more philosophical / humorous discussion offering a little entertainment. This is going to be a long haul. Laughing is probably good.

Saw this on Facebook last night. Totally killed me dead.

If you read this thread you will soon realize why most conservatives no longer post on SoWal.

If Conservatives are not posting it's because they can no longer defend the positions of their leadership. The Republican candidates are not unlike rubber room insane asylum escapees.

@Andy A - I figured it was because they were too embarrassed by their candidates, and/or have no sense of humor.

I would ask you which republican to vote for but I find "the lesser of 17 evils" exercise to be tiring.

Tell us which Republican sleazebag you support and why.

I don't...I see no one worthy. The only guy I could lukewarmly get behind is Kasich and he's tainted as well.

Not exactly. If by chance Bernie were to absolutely demolish Hillary in the Primaries, then that might mean he's really strong going into the general election. I doubt this will happen. The thing that scares me about Bernie is that I don't see him getting crossover vote from Republicans. For example, I know a couple who wanted Ben Carson, who of course is out of the picture. They would vote for Hillary over Trump or Cruz. I don't know if they feel the same way about Bernie. I do know that if you use your heart rather than your head, and obsess over petty moral infractions and character flaws, then it's a recipe for disaster. Ask anyone who voted for GWB over Al Gore. Oh wait, that would be Bob, wouldn't it?

Gore was tainted by brother Bill....remember him?

There will be no taunting when Hillary goes down

Jenksy, let me say this so that even you, with your limited mental capaciy, can understand. Any Republican running would be better than the alternatives offered by the Democrat party. An avowed socialist, who wishes to take from the "earned" and give to the undeserving and a corrupt, candidate who lies at the drop of a hat to further her cause, whatever it may be, do not appeal to me or any other thinking American . They are part of the problem, not the solution to them.

Gore was tainted by brother Bill....remember him?

Bill Clinton yes the man who I would vote for in a heartbeat today if he were running and were eligible. So you helped create the mess we're in today by voting for Bush because you felt that Gore was endowed with some sort of evil spiritual energy?

It is time for me to join other intelligent Consevatives, such as 30aShopper, and leave postings here to the misinformed Liberals. So
Wal is a great website for information. I shall now use it for that and leave posting to others who have little understanding of what this country is really all about, most of whom have never put forth any effort to defend or improve it, IMO.

It is time for me to join other intelligent Consevatives, such as 30aShopper, and leave postings here to the misinformed Liberals. So
Wal is a great website for information. I shall now use it for that and leave posting to others who have little understanding of what this country is really all about, most of whom have never put forth any effort to defend or improve it, IMO.

Why are you using the word "other" when speaking of intelligent posters?

There will be no taunting when Hillary goes down

If she goes down she goes down. Will Powell and Rice go with her? With multiple embassy attacks and deaths and classified e-mails sent to their private accounts during their SOS tenures some of us are curious why Republicans suddenly feel the need to hold multiple hearings when it was previously a non-issue. Of course we all know the answer.