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Emerald Drifter avatar
Beach Fanatic
#3027
When was the last time one needed to? (serious answer)

Let's see...NEEDED?

Bush and Cheney needed to answer as to why they invaded a sovereign country and killed well over 500,000 civilians? Did they? They "testified" off the record, not under oath, behind closed doors.

Clinton was deposed about Monica Lewinsky. Did he need to be? No, not for that. But for war crimes? Ask the Serbians (and others)

Former CIA Director POTUS Bush 41: Should have been for war crimes against Iraqi people.
Emerald Drifter avatar
Beach Fanatic
#3028
Mueller has basically dared the House to initiate impeachment proceedings. Sure hope they do. It will ensure four more years for Trump. I have major issues with Trump but he will be far better than any of the wackos from the left.

I still will not be surprised for Team Obama (with their handler Valerie Jarrett in tow) to come in and save the day by running Michael. They are being conspicuously silent. Michael is the only Dem that can beat Trump.
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#3029
Let's see...NEEDED?

Bush and Cheney needed to answer as to why they invaded a sovereign country and killed well over 500,000 civilians? Did they? They "testified" off the record, not under oath, behind closed doors.

Clinton was deposed about Monica Lewinsky. Did he need to be? No, not for that. But for war crimes? Ask the Serbians (and others)

Former CIA Director POTUS Bush 41: Should have been for war crimes against Iraqi people.
Were they called to appear?

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PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#3030
So it wasn’t a hoax or witch-hunt. Russians did interfere on behalf of president* pornfuquer and he did attempt to obstruct the investigation. He could not be charged under DOJ guidelines so Mueller is leaving it to the House because it is their duty to discover if crimes were comitted and individual one is again obstructing. In bizarro Trumanzee world this is known as total vindication.
Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#3031
Let's see...NEEDED?

Bush and Cheney needed to answer as to why they invaded a sovereign country and killed well over 500,000 civilians? Did they? They "testified" off the record, not under oath, behind closed doors.

Clinton was deposed about Monica Lewinsky. Did he need to be? No, not for that. But for war crimes? Ask the Serbians (and others)

Former CIA Director POTUS Bush 41: Should have been for war crimes against Iraqi people.
Not totally following your logic... All of the above should have been forced to testify about any wrongdoing. Does that justify completely shutting down all the current and past Trump white house aides from testifying about anything? Are we just giving up on all accountability and oversight? I guess you are full bore for totalitarianism because that's where we are headed. At least two major players have mentioned concerns that if Trump loses in 2020 that he might not be amicable to giving up power. What then... civil war?
Emerald Drifter avatar
Beach Fanatic
#3033
Were they called to appear?

No, that's the point. They sure needed to be IMO.
Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#3034
A simplified way to understand this:

1. Mueller’s investigation found plenty of evidence that Trump committed crimes.
2. Dept. of Justice rules prohibit charging a sitting president
3. Because of this, he was prohibited from divulging any evidence about a target that would not be able to have his day in court to defend himself.
4. He found an eloquent way to express this without disrespecting the letter of the law.
Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#3035
Oh, by the way, the Russians contacted the Trump campaign over one hundred times, and the Trump campaign never reported any of this to any law enforcement agency. I guess passive complicity doesn’t count as conspiracy.
Emerald Drifter avatar
Beach Fanatic
#3036
Not totally following your logic... All of the above should have been forced to testify about any wrongdoing. Does that justify completely shutting down all the current and past Trump white house aides from testifying about anything? Are we just giving up on all accountability and oversight? I guess you are full bore for totalitarianism because that's where we are headed. At least two major players have mentioned concerns that if Trump loses in 2020 that he might not be amicable to giving up power. What then... civil war?

It's political games. Clinton's admin did it when he was getting drilled by Ken Starr. Remember that ridiculousness? Bush/Cheney 43 did it. Obama did it in regards to Fast and Furious.

Actually, I WANT Congress to stand up and do their job, on many fronts, but they are just bought and paid for.

Of course I am not for totallitarianism. I am for personal liberty.

No matter who was going to be POTUS, our country, the world, is slowly heading toward a totalitaran existence. Surveillance is becoming more prevalent. Biometric ID, FinCen, Patriot Act, NDAA, Facebook, Amazon, GOOGLE. "Technocracy". Check out the excellent book by Patrick Wood "Technocracy Rising". Or this online book: Audiobook: How the Specter of Communism Is Ruling Our World

To your point about Trump losing and not giving up power. The right was all panicked that Bill Clinton would not leave power, would suspend elections. The right was panicked as well about Obama not leaving office.

As for civil war, we are closer than many think IMO. We are being divided, sub divided. We are being herded to various tribes.
Bob Wells avatar
Beach Fanatic
#3037
Trump would crumple like a paper hat in the rain if he had to testify. It would be great TV though.
It would be HUGE!
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#3038
No, that's the point. They sure needed to be IMO.
And that’s another point, your opinion doesn’t matter. Those in charge of subpoenas at the time believed differently.
That’s the past let’s stick to the current lying POS in the White House.
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#3039
POSOTUS
Beach Lover
#3040
IMPEECHMENT IS A DIRTY FILTHY DIGSUSTING WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#3041
It does not mean we shove a peach up the president’s butt. Honest.
Beach Lover
#3042
TRUMP CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION NEEDS TO STOP WE HAVE IMIGRANTS RUINIING OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#3043
president* Criminal Activity treats the Mueller report like he views the Bible. He’s never read either one but he’s sure they both support his beliefs.
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#3044
president* Lying Dumbass just hit you with another a tax to punish a country for a perceived wrong. He is so fricken stupid he believes Mexico and China are paying billions to the U.S. when in reality you are paying more at the checkout.
Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#30451
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SoWal Insider
#30461
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SoWal Guide
#3047
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#3048
Pentagon has demanded president* sh*tstain stop politicizing the military. It’s about damn time.
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SoWal Insider
#3049
Costco has announced it is raising prices because of the trump taxes on imported goods. #maga
Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#3050
Pentagon has demanded president* sh*tstain stop politicizing the military. It’s about damn time.
they ought to name all their ships USS McCain.
PoppaJ avatar
SoWal Insider
#3051
president* attends church in dirty golf clothes. Imagine the right wing outrage had he worn a tan suit.

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