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Leader of the Banned avatar
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#4327
You sure are stupid. Let me repeat: Biden was working for the US Government to remove a prosecutor who was NOT prosecuting corruption. You can use this clip as much as you want. it only reinforces the truth of the situation. Trump was not working for the US government. He was violating campaign finance laws.
You would not believe the number of MAGAts who honestly believe that this is some projekt veritas video where Biden is secretly recorded admitting to canning the prosecutor, in order to protect his son from prosecution. This ignores the fact that installing a new and competent prosecutor could have put his son in greater legal jeopardy had his son actually been complicit in any wrongdoing.
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#4328
You are the king/queen of the fake memes, or is that your alter ego "Leader"? If you watch the video I posted, you will HEAR these same words coming out of Hunter's Daddy. If you watch the video, it wont hurt you; it's called the truth.
Being accused of being Lakeview's alter ego is a supreme compliment.
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#4329
Here's why:

As usual you refuse or simply can't give a straight answer. Get back to us when you have something beyond wishful thinking.
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Beach FanaticAuthor
#4330
And all this time, the Trumpian inspired Ukraine fake news has had zero effect on Biden's poll numbers.
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#4331
You can always tell when Drifter is triggered, as much as he tries to hide it.
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Beach Fanatic
#4332
And all this time, the Trumpian inspired Ukraine fake news has had zero effect on Biden's poll numbers.
Oh really, how’s Biden’s fundraising going?
Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#4333
Again, what's your point? It's just a statement of truth. He had less leverage while in the middle of re-election. Stop living in the past.
Lake View Too avatar
SoWal Insider
#4334
You are the king/queen of the fake memes, or is that your alter ego "Leader"? If you watch the video I posted, you will HEAR these same words coming out of Hunter's Daddy. If you watch the video, it wont hurt you; it's called the truth.
He was working for the US government when he said that. He was trying to remove a prosecutor that was NOT prosecuting corruption.
Lake View Too avatar
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#4335
Oh really, how’s Biden’s fundraising going?
This is not about Biden, no matter how hard you try to deflect.
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#4336
As usual you refuse or simply can't give a straight answer. Get back to us when you have something beyond wishful thinking.

So you are a moderator of sowal, or just the "Let's Get Trump" thread? Other people on this thread had to endure two years of your wishful thinking regarding Captain Mueller saving the world from Trump. It was wishful thinking by you on full display..
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#4337
This is not about Biden, no matter how hard you try to deflect.
The corruption in Ukraine and 2016 election interference might be about Biden. We don’t know yet. Hopefully, we find out one way or the other. Durham’s DOJ investigation should shed some light on it.
PoppaJ avatar
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#4338
In February 2015, Shokin became Ukraine’s prosecutor general, and promised critics of his country’s anti-corruption efforts at home, in the US, and at the International Monetary Fund (IMF) that a clean-up was on the way. And he claimed Burisma was in his sights.

But Shokin’s deputy, Vitaly Kasko, told Bloomberg that the promise was empty rhetoric. According to Kasko, their office did nothing to pursue its investigation into Zlochevsky throughout 2015, and the office was ineffective at reining in corruption generally, leading him to resign in frustration.

Shokin has disputed Kasko’s narrative, but the manner in which he was running his office also concerned the US ambassador to Ukraine, who said publicly in September 2015 that the office was “subverting” the UK’s investigation.

Concern at the embassy mounted, and by 2016, officials there began suggesting the Obama administration push for the prosecutor general’s ouster. In particular, the embassy suggested that $1 billion in loan guarantees the country hoped to receive from the US in order to stay solvent should be tied to a tougher anti-corruption strategy that involved removing officials seen as blocking progress, namely Shokin.

It wasn’t just the US that wanted Shokin gone, either — many other Western European officials, including the IMF’s then-managing director Christine Lagarde, also insisted Ukraine was doing far too little about corruption.

So in March 2016, Biden says he told the Ukrainian government that their loan guarantees would be cut off unless they removed Shokin. He told the story at a session at the Council on Foreign Relations in 2018.

I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours,” Biden told his audience. “I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’”

The former vice president said after the threat, “Well, son of a b**ch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.”

But though Biden may have taken credit for it, this was hardly his unique idea. “Everyone in the Western community wanted Shokin sacked,” Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, told the Wall Street Journal. “The whole G-7, the IMF, the EBRD, everybody was united that Shokin must go, and the spokesman for this was Joe Biden.”

The people of Ukraine wanted Shokin gone as well, and demonstrated for his removal around the time of Biden’s threat. Shortly after that demonstration, Shokin was dismissed.
The facts behind Trump’s bogus accusations about Biden and Ukraine
Lake View Too avatar
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#4339
trump - Nov. 2016


Mick Mulvaney - Oct. 2019

A commentator on NPR put it rather well on the Doral Debacle: If that deal had gone through, Trump would have been the buyer and the seller of that transaction. He would have been in the situation of asking any price whatsoever, and the Federal government would be obligated to pay it. Let that sink in.
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#4340
You can always tell when Drifter is triggered, as much as he tries to hide it.

It's not that I'm triggered,its just so entertaining, and easy, to do simple searches to find the stuff your team is wishing, hoping to hang Trump with has been committed even worse by your people.
Lake View Too avatar
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#4341
The corruption in Ukraine and 2016 election interference might be about Biden. We don’t know yet. Hopefully, we find out one way or the other. Durham’s DOJ investigation should shed some light on it.
Are you saying that there is a DNC server in Ukraine, even though the CIA, the FBI, and seventeen national security agencies couldn't find it? That's Easter Bunny thinking.
PoppaJ avatar
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#4343
So you are a moderator of sowal, or just the "Let's Get Trump" thread? Other people on this thread had to endure two years of your wishful thinking regarding Captain Mueller saving the world from Trump. It was wishful thinking by you on full display..
Wow, seems like you're on the verge of melting down with all the bad news lately. :lol:
Leader of the Banned avatar
Beach FanaticAuthor
#4344
Oh really, how’s Biden’s fundraising going?
It's the polls that count. I think Ukraine has had practically zero effect. I'm sure that lot of people, like me, are waiting to see how things go before they kick in some $$. There are two other candidates who could beat Trump. No need to rush.

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PoppaJ avatar
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#4345
VOX? Ezra Klein's joke of a source? At least MOST of the time I use CNN/NYT or other MSM sources.
Refute it.:popcorn:
Lake View Too avatar
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#4346
It's not that I'm triggered,its just so entertaining, and easy, to do simple searches to find the stuff your team is wishing, hoping to hang Trump with has been committed even worse by your people.
Poppa just put one up. Please read it. Very informative.
Leader of the Banned avatar
Beach FanaticAuthor
#4347
So you are a moderator of sowal, or just the "Let's Get Trump" thread? Other people on this thread had to endure two years of your wishful thinking regarding Captain Mueller saving the world from Trump. It was wishful thinking by you on full display..
"Capt. Mueller" has already laid bare a wide array of impeachable offenses. It's just a matter of whether they will complicate matters by throwing them into the mix.
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#4348
A commentator on NPR put it rather well on the Doral Debacle: If that deal had gone through, Trump would have been the buyer and the seller of that transaction. He would have been in the situation of asking any price whatsoever, and the Federal government would be obligated to pay it. Let that sink in.

Trump was going to not charge the federal government. He was going to comp the whole event, just like "I donate my Presidential salary". Did Barry donate his salary? Bush? Clinton?

Here's the CNN link (for you Pops):

Trump donates part of his salary to Department of Homeland Security - CNNPolitics

Since taking office, Trump has donated his salary to a series of government agencies and efforts. Parts of his salary, according to the administration, have gone toward government efforts including combating opioid addiction, a camp promoting science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) careers, and restoration projects at Antietam National Battlefield.
He has previously donated to the Department of Veterans Affairs, the Department of Transportation, the National Park Service, the Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services.
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Beach FanaticAuthor
#4349
Refute it.:popcorn:
He needs to get a grip on the term "ad hominem" attack.
Leader of the Banned avatar
Beach FanaticAuthor
#4350
It's not that I'm triggered,its just so entertaining, and easy, to do simple searches to find the stuff your team is wishing, hoping to hang Trump with has been committed even worse by your people.
The old "Mommy, but Johnny" defense.
Leader of the Banned avatar
Beach FanaticAuthor
#4351
Trump was going to not charge the federal government. He was going to comp the whole event, just like "I donate my Presidential salary". Did Barry donate his salary? Bush? Clinton?

Here's the CNN link (for you Pops):

Trump donates part of his salary to Department of Homeland Security - CNNPolitics

Since taking office, Trump has donated his salary to a series of government agencies and efforts. Parts of his salary, according to the administration, have gone toward government efforts including combating opioid addiction, a camp promoting science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) careers, and restoration projects at Antietam National Battlefield.
He has previously donated to the Department of Veterans Affairs, the Department of Transportation, the National Park Service, the Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services.
It's illegal.

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