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I seriously think an abortion debate deserves a thread of it's own.

No thanks. I was just illustrating the lurch to the extreme left that is taking place.

No thanks. I was just illustrating the lurch to the extreme left that is taking place.

...which hasn't got much to do with Trump...

No thanks. I was just illustrating the lurch to the extreme left that is taking place.

What are your thoughts on the Prez attacking his own intelligence people saying they are wrong in their assessments and need to go back to school?

No thanks. I was just illustrating the lurch to the extreme left that is taking place.

Actually Bernie helped elevate some important discussions and debate on issues that are relevant to the people during his campaign. I'm not Bernie gal but I definitely appreciate his contributions....

The discussion continues today, has become more mainstream in many ways .. and remains extremely relevant to the people. The good news is that discussions and debate are taking place about the future of our democracy and our nation. We can do so much better. The trickle down tax cuts are a scam on all of us. It's time for progress. #MAGA isn't working out so well for most people unless you are a proud white supremacist who appreciates the boost.

It noneya business! Unless you fertilized the egg, you ain't got a dog in the fight!!

And if you did fertilize the egg, you have ZERO rights. The woman can kill the fetus without consulting the father, she can kill the fetus even if the father objects, even if the father sues her to allow for the unborn child to be born. Yet, we are all familiar that once a child has been born, a woman can sue for support and the father will have to pay support until the child is 18. Do you, Kadence, agree with this, or what changes would you make?

Actually Bernie helped elevate some important discussions and debate on issues that are relevant to the people during his campaign. I'm not Bernie gal but I definitely appreciate his contributions....

The trickle down tax cuts are a scam on all of us. It's time for progress. #MAGA isn't working out so well for most people unless you are a proud white supremacist who appreciates the boost.

RE: tax cuts. Have you paid less income tax as a result of the "tax cuts"?

I am as far from being a "white supremacist" as one can be but I have benefited in some ways in the last two years. For one, I don't have to pay for medical services I don't need or will ever use courtesy of Barry's ACA.

Trump the man aside, why would any American not want to Make America Great Again? If Hillary would have run with MAGA, instead of the idiotic "I'm With Her" slogan, would any of you embrace it.

No thanks. I was just illustrating the lurch to the extreme left that is taking place.

Actually once I learned the facts behind that quote, there is nothing disturbing or shocking about it at all. This illustrates the misrepresentation of facts that the right is famous for. That's why I think a separate thread makes sense. I for one don't need need to be dragged down some rabbit hole of misinformation on this thread while I patiently try to explain biological facts to religious zealots who don't have a clue.

RE: tax cuts. Have you paid less income tax as a result of the "tax cuts"?

I am as far from being a "white supremacist" as one can be but I have benefited in some ways in the last two years. For one, I don't have to pay for medical services I don't need or will ever use courtesy of Barry's ACA.

Trump the man aside, why would any American not want to Make America Great Again? If Hillary would have run with MAGA, instead of the idiotic "I'm With Her" slogan, would any of you embrace it.

Again I will ask a Trump supporter, at what point in history are you referring when you say MAGA? I’m 68 years old and up until January 20, 2017 I had always thought America was great.
I will never need the ACA either but I am more than willing to help cover healthcare, food, and shelter for others through my taxes.

Again I will ask a Trump supporter, at what point in history are you referring when you say MAGA? I’m 68 years old and up until January 20, 2017 I had always thought America was great.
I will never need the ACA either but I am more than willing to help cover healthcare, food, and shelter for others through my taxes.

I'm not a "Trump supporter" per se, but I do agree with his disrupter role especially slowing down/derailing the globalist agenda here in America. So, I guess that makes me a "nationalist" I prefer Patriot. Better than the opposite, which is a globalist??

As you know, MAGA is a theme, a campaign slogan, something for those who hold certain TRADITIONAL American ideals/visions to rally around. MY points in recent history when America was it's great-EST from an optimism, growing view? Post WW2 1950s, 1980s under the Reagan years.

What I think Trump is referring to is when American companies were PRODUCING quality tangible goods, providing an elevated wage over much of our current service level jobs. He has stated many times he wants "America first". Would you prefer America second, third, last?

Regarding being OK with your taxes covering others' medical care: The government, especially the federal government is an inefficient distributor of funds. It would be much more productive, and probably be more satisfying to you, to donate to a local shelter or medical provider than sending it to a federal bureauracy. See, that would be of your own volition. What the socialists propose is CONFISCATING money from unwilling citizens who are producing and transferring to others.

When government intrudes on a market, prices go up. Housing, college, healthcare.

So, just to make sure I understand your point , you are OK with health insurance companies selling their insurance policies with a profit at whatever price they want to and to exclude any pre-conditions they want to and sell drugs at whatever price they feel like. Is that your position?

I'm not a "Trump supporter" per se, but I do agree with his disrupter role especially slowing down/derailing the globalist agenda here in America. So, I guess that makes me a "nationalist" I prefer Patriot. Better than the opposite, which is a globalist??

As you know, MAGA is a theme, a campaign slogan, something for those who hold certain TRADITIONAL American ideals/visions to rally around. MY points in recent history when America was it's great-EST from an optimism, growing view? Post WW2 1950s, 1980s under the Reagan years.

What I think Trump is referring to is when American companies were PRODUCING quality tangible goods, providing an elevated wage over much of our current service level jobs. He has stated many times he wants "America first". Would you prefer America second, third, last?

Regarding being OK with your taxes covering others' medical care: The government, especially the federal government is an inefficient distributor of funds. It would be much more productive, and probably be more satisfying to you, to donate to a local shelter or medical provider than sending it to a federal bureauracy. See, that would be of your own volition. What the socialists propose is CONFISCATING money from unwilling citizens who are producing and transferring to others.

When government intrudes on a market, prices go up. Housing, college, healthcare.

Nationalist? America First? (you might want to check the history of that phrase) Traditional American values? (Does one size fit all?) Confiscating money? Socialist? Damn, you certainly have the right wing cliches memorized. I was born in Jan. 1951 and I can tell you the 50’s were great if you were white so this being the MAGA wet dream years is no shocker. Let’s skip most of the B.S. in your post go to the interesting part about Trump and America first. When in hell did he or his family ever put America first? Certainly not in manufacturing or hiring. Their products are/were made exclusively overseas or in Mexico (The ones paying for the wall) and his daughter wife Ivanka recieved approval for five trademarks from China just this month. They are also well known for hiring undocumented workers. So just when did Trump or his family produce "quality tangible goods" in the US with American labor?

Sorry to disagree,but it was Nancy who was responsible for people not getting paid. She had plenty of offers. President Trump's is trying to keep illegals out, color has nothing to do with it. It's all about coming to our country the proper way. All are welcome to come. Do it by the law.

"Could we have done it differently? No, not really. I think by having the shut down we’ve set the table for where we are now.”
If I didn’t do the shutdown people wouldn’t know, they wouldn’t understand the subject. Now they understand the subject, they realize what a humanitarian crisis it is".

Trump today

And if you did fertilize the egg, you have ZERO rights. The woman can kill the fetus without consulting the father, she can kill the fetus even if the father objects, even if the father sues her to allow for the unborn child to be born. Yet, we are all familiar that once a child has been born, a woman can sue for support and the father will have to pay support until the child is 18. Do you, Kadence, agree with this, or what changes would you make?

Oh pleaseeeeeeeeeeee....wah, wah, wah. Having been on the receiving end of one of those "loving fathers" I speak from experience when I tell you the fathers of which you speak, are the exception not the norm. They are RARE.

You're correct in one aspect though...I did sue for child support which, he evaded for 14 years. His $100.00 (yes one hundred dollars) a month child support payment quickly escalated to over $400.00 a month over the 14 years he didn't pay when the state went after him on the arrears. He also knew and had 9 months to figure out whether or not he was going to be a man or a mouse and do the right thing for our child. He could have done it willingly! He also chose not to be a part of her life and denied till the day he died (in 2016) that he had another daughter, in addition to the 2 he actually claimed. It's ok though, he paid for the privilege. He had rights which I approved and he was awarded through the courts and could have exercised them at any time. He never did.

I am not the person you want to try and pull a sob story over on about the poor fathers who have no rights. There is a process for determination in the courts and the process is brutal, time consuming and emotionally exhausting made worse by an uncooperative parent. Someone has to be the adult and most times it is the mother!

Actually once I learned the facts behind that quote, there is nothing disturbing or shocking about it at all. This illustrates the misrepresentation of facts that the right is famous for. That's why I think a separate thread makes sense. I for one don't need need to be dragged down some rabbit hole of misinformation on this thread while I patiently try to explain biological facts to religious zealots who don't have a clue.

Are you sure you're all in? The co-sponsor of the bill said she didn't read it and is now back peddling.

p.s. Quit stealing my lines. "I for one don't need need to be dragged down some rabbit hole of misinformation on this thread while I patiently try to explain"

Actually Bernie helped elevate some important discussions and debate on issues that are relevant to the people during his campaign. I'm not Bernie gal but I definitely appreciate his contributions....

The discussion continues today, has become more mainstream in many ways .. and remains extremely relevant to the people. The good news is that discussions and debate are taking place about the future of our democracy and our nation. We can do so much better. The trickle down tax cuts are a scam on all of us. It's time for progress. #MAGA isn't working out so well for most people unless you are a proud white supremacist who appreciates the boost.

First of all I, as is Elizabeth Warren, at least 1/1032 Native American so please don't infer that I am a white sepremacist.

You are fully entitled to appreciate socialism and think that it is progress. I do not.

AOC is defining the new Democratic party. Scary.

Are you sure you're all in? The co-sponsor of the bill said she didn't read it and is now back peddling.

p.s. Quit stealing my lines. "I for one don't need need to be dragged down some rabbit hole of misinformation on this thread while I patiently try to explain"

https://sowal.com/forum/threads/palliative-care-for-dying-infants-enrages-the-right.95631/

Nationalist? America First? (you might want to check the history of that phrase) Traditional American values? (Does one size fit all?) Confiscating money? Socialist? Damn, you certainly have the right wing cliches memorized. I was born in Jan. 1951 and I can tell you the 50’s were great if you were white so this being the MAGA wet dream years is no shocker. Let’s skip most of the B.S. in your post go to the interesting part about Trump and America first. When in hell did he or his family ever put America first? Certainly not in manufacturing or hiring. Their products are/were made exclusively overseas or in Mexico (The ones paying for the wall) and his daughter wife Ivanka recieved approval for five trademarks from China just this month. They are also well known for hiring undocumented workers. So just when did Trump or his family produce "quality tangible goods" in the US with American labor?

You asked. I elaborated without writing a novel, hoping to exchange experience and ideas. But the obsession with Trump has such a grip..... When did I say "Trump or his family" made quality tangible goods? I said American companies did, at one time. You were there; you experienced it, right?

Seriously, Poppaj, we can't, no one that's not a full on liberal like yourself, can have any reasonable exchange of ideas. You and your choir members cannot see past Trump the man and his behavior. You're obsessed with "getting Trump" to the point where it truly is to the detriment of providing real world, proven alternative solutions.

What's the matter with getting Trump? He is the single biggest security threat to this nation. He is purposely ignorant of the worth of our intelligence community and has undermined the firm relationships we use to have with our allies, especially NATO. The deficit is ballooning with the aftermath of the tax cuts for the wealthy, and his tariff wars are likely to crush everyday consumers, while aiding and abetting the Russian oligarchs, who are actively undermining our democracy.

You asked. I elaborated without writing a novel, hoping to exchange experience and ideas. But the obsession with Trump has such a grip..... When did I say "Trump or his family" made quality tangible goods? I said American companies did, at one time. You were there; you experienced it, right?

Seriously, Poppaj, we can't, no one that's not a full on liberal like yourself, can have any reasonable exchange of ideas. You and your choir members cannot see past Trump the man and his behavior. You're obsessed with "getting Trump" to the point where it truly is to the detriment of providing real world, proven alternative solutions.

Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!
It’s called hypocrisy. Trump is the hugely, biglyest, lying hypocrite to ever disgrace the the Oval Office.

LIBTARDS WANT USA TO BE FRANCE SO STUPID THERE NOT EVEN VERY SMART!

Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!
It’s called hypocrisy. Trump is the hugely, biglyest, lying hypocrite to ever disgrace the the Oval Office.

I just can't have any sensible conversation with somone with advanced stage Trumpzheimers. Good luck with the next two years. They will be rough for you and the choir.

Looking forward, we have the Ginsburg replacement coming, and in the short term the White House is preparing their declaration of emergency plan to get the wall built. Better wrap your heads with duct tape. Have a great weekend.

White House preps emergency wall plan while Congress negotiates

I just can't have any sensible conversation with somone with advanced stage Trumpzheimers. Good luck with the next two years. They will be rough for you and the choir.

Looking forward, we have the Ginsburg replacement coming, and in the short term the White House is preparing their declaration of emergency plan to get the wall built. Better wrap your heads with duct tape. Have a great weekend.

White House preps emergency wall plan while Congress negotiates

Prez F**kwaffle will be setting a precedent that will come back to haunt you. There is that thing you say you admire called the constitution that is against that action and people aren’t going to just hand over their land without a fight so be prepared for court battles lasting decades.

Lying Sarah now says the inauguration has nothing to do with the White House. It’s amazing how Trump has nothing to do with Trump and he hardly knows anyone.