Al Gore

[Matt J]

I signed it.

It always kills me that something like heavy snowfall triggers a "global warming is a hoax" crowd, but rediculously hot temperatures keeps them quit. I subscribe to the climate change theory. This means that you can have warming and freakish winters or strange erradic weather in general, i.e. record snowfalls after a record hot summer.

 

[NotDeadYet]

Thank you, gaiboi. The voice of reason.
Global warming triggers climate change. Which does not mean it is hot all the time everywhere. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[InletBchDweller]

Well, you can't accuse this crew of picking a bad location for a global warming conference. The average November temperature in Bali is 27.8 Celsius (about 82 degrees). Can't have this hot air conference in:

North Dakota which is experiencing record setting snowfall http://www.kxmb.com/News/187023.asp

or...

Maine, where a 107 year snowfall record has just been tied http://news.mainetoday.com/updates/019270.html

What a waste of good jet fuel

;-)Punzy sez we do think alike...

 

[30A Skunkape]

Thank you, gaiboi. The voice of reason.
Global warming triggers climate change. Which does not mean it is hot all the time everywhere. Why is that so hard to understand?

As the ancient Greeks blamed Zeus, American Indians blamed Thunderbirds and the Norse chalked it up to Thor, I suppose it is only right we have our own weather related mythology

 

[savvytangerine]

So -- IF Global Warming is all some big scam and we all treat the world and enviroment better because we bought into the scam --- what would be the outcome?

Oh yeah. Cleaner air, water, alternate energy sources ... who wants that stuff?

 

[30A Skunkape]

So -- IF Global Warming is all some big scam and we all treat the world and enviroment better because we bought into the scam --- what would be the outcome?

Oh yeah. Cleaner air, water, alternate energy sources ... who wants that stuff?

It isn't a big scam, it is just junk science injected into politics resulting in a green monster run wild.

Please let me know what these guys propose we do that will have a notable impact on climate change? Kyoto is the biggest gun in the arsenal to fight global warming as I understand it;I also think it will cost us tons of money without achieving the logical endpoint of 'cooling' the Earth. Please consult the Kyoto Clock. Ouch! http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Kyoto_Count_Up.html

 

[savvytangerine]

Economists have been trying to analyse the overall net benefit of Kyoto Protocol through cost-benefit analysis. Just as in the case of climatology[citation needed], there is disagreement due to large uncertainties in economic variables.[86] Some of the estimates indicate either that observing the Kyoto Protocol is more expensive than not observing the Kyoto Protocol or that the Kyoto Protocol has a marginal net benefit which exceeds the cost of simply adjusting to global warming.[citation needed] However, a study in Nature[87] found that "accounting only for local external costs, together with production costs, to identify energy strategies, compliance with the Kyoto Protocol would imply lower, not higher, overall costs."
The recent Copenhagen consensus project found that the Kyoto Protocol would slow down the process of global warming, but have a superficial overall benefit. Defenders of the Kyoto Protocol argue, however, that while the initial greenhouse gas cuts may have little effect, they set the political precedent for bigger (and more effective) cuts in the future.[88] They also advocate commitment to the precautionary principle. Critics point out that additional higher curbs on carbon emission are likely to cause significantly higher increase in cost, making such defence moot. Moreover, the precautionary principle could apply to any political, social, economic or environmental consequence, which might have equally devastating effect in terms of poverty and environment, making the precautionary argument irrelevant. The Stern Review (a UK government sponsored report into the economic impacts of climate change) concluded that one percent of global GDP is required to be invested in order to mitigate the effects of climate change, and that failure to do so could risk a recession worth up to twenty percent of global GDP.[89]

The full [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol"]wikipedia article [/ame]is really interesting. Personally I think this is a step in the right direction but that doesn't mean it is the only answer -- or even the best answer.

 

[LightWorker]

Thanks, Lightworker. Okay, I signed it. In the memo I asked him to please run with Hillary.

I signed it.

It always kills me that something like heavy snowfall triggers a "global warming is a hoax" crowd, but rediculously hot temperatures keeps them quit. I subscribe to the climate change theory. This means that you can have warming and freakish winters or strange erradic weather in general, i.e. record snowfalls after a record hot summer.

Thanks ​

 

[Matt J]

As the ancient Greeks blamed Zeus, American Indians blamed Thunderbirds and the Norse chalked it up to Thor, I suppose it is only right we have our own weather related mythology

Well that's just . I don't ever remember seeing the totem pole with scientific data on it. Perhaps you could find that pic for me? To equate tons of verifiable, reproducible, and in some cases tested; research and data to "thunder gods" is rediculous.

If I'm following that logic then 30-A is just like Branson cause people like to go there.

 

[30A Skunkape]

Well that's just . I don't ever remember seeing the totem pole with scientific data on it. Perhaps you could find that pic for me? To equate tons of verifiable, reproducible, and in some cases tested; research and data to "thunder gods" is rediculous.

If I'm following that logic then 30-A is just like Branson cause people like to go there.

OK, so 100% of the research and data supports the CO2 equals global warming hypothesis? That isn't how I understand it;perhaps you can cite a study that elevates the 'theory' to a 'law'. Let me save you a trip to Google...none exist.

Is it possible that Al Gore is right? Yes. But extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence and that evidence does not yet exist. People get very emotional because politics have been injected into this and hyperbole fans the flame of debate among well meaning people.

Please view this clip, I think there is an analagous relationship to the global warming petition. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw"]YouTube - Penn And Teller Get Hippies To Sign Water Banning Petition[/ame]