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Capricious

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Jul 11, 2005
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"...I know people (one of which is related to me) who have paid a boatload of money for beach-view property but haven't started building because they know they won't be able to get insurance..."





Just the sort of catalyst that could start the deflation
of the "bubble."

Assuming, of course, one is of the opinion that real property
in South Walton has been experiencing a bubble.

There will always be those with sufficient funds to pay cash
for beachfront, and they will continue to bid-up the prices
for beachfront, regardless of the insurance situation.

But (2) or (3) tiers or more back from the beach the property is, in
my opinion, more vulnerable to price deflation. The "super rich"
want to be "on the beach," not "an easy walk to the public access."

These properties, generally, are bought by those who must utilize
financing. Financing requires insurance. No insurance, no finanacing,
and no sales. No sales leads to decreased demand which leads to
falling prices.

Also, many buyers count on rental income to defray the costs of
owning this property. Increased insurance costs will likely increase
rental rates: at what level do rental rates make vacation alternatives
(cruises, etc.) more financially favorable? At what level does Walton
County price itself out of the reach of it's customers?

I made the mistake of riding one real estate boom too long: long-term
rental property in Branson, MO, in the mid-90's. Literally, 6 months meant
the difference between selling at a nice profit, and not being able to sell
at cost. Guess who "rode" too long?

It is my belief that the strength of the nation's housing
markets in general can be credited primarily to the easing
of credit restrictions, allowing marginal buyers to enter the
market and increase demand for housing. Tightening credit
requirments would almost certainly result in the opposite:
removal of a large segment of the home-buying public would
lessen demand, and lower demand would lead to lower prices.

If what could be termed "marginal buyers" (by South Walton standards: any
where else in the country they would be "top tier" buyers) are removed from
the South Walton market due to insurance considerations, who will replace
them? And can current prices (much less expectations of future appreciation)
be supported without replacing this segment of the buying public?

Sure, everyone wants a "place at the beach," but at what point do
they look at the hurricanes and the insurance and say, "it's just
not worth it?"

I do not own real property in South Walton, and although I would have
considered buying it in the past (if I had the money) I would not buy it
now. Possibly in the future, if prices really do deflate.

Just my opinion.

And I always have one.
 

redfisher

Beach Fanatic
Sep 11, 2005
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Capricious, since its your relative that owns the "real" property down here...maybe their long opinion would have been more relevant...
 

Miss Kitty

Meow
Jun 10, 2005
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redfisher said:
Capricious, since its your relative that owns the "real" property down here...maybe their long opinion would have been more relevant...

I think C was quoting BR.
 
Sueshore said:
I think C was quoting BR.
He was quoting me.

This relative already owned a house south of 30-A, and bought 2 more lots south of 30-A. The plan was to build a spec house on the cheaper lot and build a nicer home on the 2nd-row lot (in a neighborhood that doesn't allow rentals BTW), and then sell the current home. Construction costs are sky high, I don't care if you're beach front or 2nd or 3rd row. Even the super rich don't always buy the best of everything, so they wouldn't necessarily require beach front. If you use that logic, every super rich person would be driving the most expensive car they could find, for example. There are other priorities.

Insurance is also a factor. Although my husband says that they can afford to be self-insured, that is with no insurance and if the house blows away, it blows away and they'll rebuild or sell the lot.

Back to the super rich only wanting to be beach front, as in having the best of everything, the wealthiest person that I know quite well - well enough that he's been in my home on more than one occasion - and who is on the Forbes list of the world's wealthiest people, lives in a modest home, drives an old car, wears frayed ties, and has holes in the bottom of his shoes.

Excuse me if my argument isn't very cogent. I just took a sleeping pill and am dozing off.
 
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Franny

Beach Fanatic
Mar 27, 2005
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Pt. Washington
We have just received notice from Florida Peninsula Insurance Co. that they are replacing our wind ins. fromCitizens. It goes on to say they have received approval to assume our "wind only"and that this is a "unique opportunity" for us. It also states that our wind premium will be lower than with Citizens. Anyone else receive this information? :dunno:
 

wetwilly

Beach Fanatic
Jul 11, 2005
536
0
Atlanta, Ga.
Franny said:
We have just received notice from Florida Peninsula Insurance Co. that they are replacing our wind ins. fromCitizens. It goes on to say they have received approval to assume our "wind only"and that this is a "unique opportunity" for us. It also states that our wind premium will be lower than with Citizens. Anyone else receive this information? :dunno:

Is there a phone number for Florida Peninsula Insurance Co. on the notice? If they are cheaper and not crooked, I would like to look at proactively talking to them.

Thanks,

Wetwilly :cool:
 

SHELLY

SoWal Insider
Jun 13, 2005
5,763
803
Here's an article about the "brand new," and yet unproven, insurance companies that are popping up on Panhandle in the past couple of months and taking on wind insurance policies. Problem with insurance companies with NO previous track record--you don't know how they will respond until you really need them. At least with some long-standing companies you see they are s.......l........o...........w in responding, but responding nonetheless. With these new guys on the block, they relieve Citizen's of the burden of risk, and put the risk back on the homeower--with these "new" companies, you've gotta wait until your house is a pile of lumber before you find out if the company pays in full, or worse, files for bankruptcy and fades off into the sunset :eek: . Caveat Emptor

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/01/news/economy/hurricane_insurance/
 
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