Comander vs Kramer - thoughts?

I thought Kramer was running as an Independent, not as a "D"?

He is. Some need to check facts.

So you don't vote in the primaries?



Uh oh grandpa's got the mic.

Andy, the State of Florida is pretty big. We have enormous counties to the south. In fact there is one right here in North Florida that was the first to combine both a city and county government. In those larger counties you probably wouldn't be able to speak to a county commissioner by simply calling them. While many might think that simply doing away with political parties would work, it's simply mind boggling what a ballot would look like without primaries and political parties.

BTW, I'm a registered Democrat and I am voting for Sara Comander. The alternative is just to far out and bizarre.

(Folks I'll probably take a beating for this one.)

o yes things are going so well the losers we have in there now!

Do work on Comanders staff?

Yes, I think you are exactly correct. He is a very good resource who would better serve the county as a "spokesman for the citizens" than as a Commissioner who's every vote on a development or realty issue would be open to suspect and criticism.

What better way to serve the citizens than to inform the board when something is best for all. and not just for the 30A elite. But then money talks. This man started here with nothing and only wants to give back to the working people not just the "retired" 30A'ers

Why are you referring to yourself in 3rd. person? Just come on as David Kramer instead of David Kramer's business, and answer whatever questions the voters may have for David Kramer.

Put your real name and phone #'s out there and I'm sure you'll do fine.

No wonder your a Scott man

David, you are a registered Democrat. There are two ways to be a true Independent in the State of Florida. One is to register with the Independent Party of Florida. The other is to register with the third largest group, which is No Party Affiliation, or what I would consider true Independents. What you are doing, imho, is confusing voters because you are a registered Democrat using the system. What you have done is point out another weakness in the election laws in this State which hopefully will be corrected in this next legislative session. Unfortunately, every time they fix something, they usually end up breaking something else. But as it stands, the Department of State, Division of Elections, has said that there is nothing wrong with a candidate actively working to confuse voters, just so long as the little bitty disclaimer is correct.

What you "consider" and what is fact or two things. I "consider" Scott to be a liar and a crook..

What you "consider" and what is fact or two things. I "consider" Scott to be a liar and a crook..

Sorry but you're not going to be allowed to make statement like this claiming fact without some explanation, links, proof, etc.

You have some strong opinions about local politics. I'd appreciate it if you would share your knowledge and experience in a meaningful way instead of taking pot shots with one liners.

Help us out here.

Which Scott are you talking about, Ronald Vest? I didn't see any "Scott" mentioned in the quote you posted. Are you talking about Walton County Commissioner Scott Brannon, who is not running against Kramer? Or, are you talking about Rick Scott who is running for Governor? Or, someone else?

Does Mr. Kramer have any comment on why the Emerald Coast Association of Realtors endorses Mr. Kramer's opponent, Sara Comander, even though Mr Kramer is a real estate broker?

o yes things are going so well the losers we have in there now!

I'm sorry, could you rephrase that in grammatically correct English?

If this is indicative of a Kramer supporter then I'm even more confident that I have made the correct choice.

Which Scott are you talking about, Ronald Vest? I didn't see any "Scott" mentioned in the quote you posted. Are you talking about Walton County Commissioner Scott Brannon, who is not running against Kramer? Or, are you talking about Rick Scott who is running for Governor? Or, someone else?

Does Mr. Kramer have any comment on why the Emerald Coast Association of Realtors endorses Mr. Kramer's opponent, Sara Comander, even though Mr Kramer is a real estate broker?

I think the OP is referring to Rick Scott (R) for Governor. It's an over sensitive, and off topic, reaction to wroberts avatar. Similar to yelling Fox News in a democratic function.

Give me a break!

What better way to serve the citizens than to inform the board when something is best for all. and not just for the 30A elite. But then money talks. This man started here with nothing and only wants to give back to the working people not just the "retired" 30A'ers

So now we're supposed to believe that DK is doing this to give back to the community when how he presents himself at many meetings is clearly for his own self interest?

I had a bit of trouble with Commander back in the 80's when my mother died, and we had a bit of juggling with my mother's body. Mom was at Commander's Funeral Home, and I had Mr. Clary go and get her. Not a pleasant situation. Also, had a bit of previous history.
I?m republican, and am unfortunately wary of Rick Scott's campaign. Not completely sure who I'll vote for there.
Most elections in Walton County are won or lost in the primary's, with the least amount of voters participating. To get to the general election, you need to register as independent, of no party affiliation, or be fortunate enough to win in the primary.
I would hope that whoever wins the commissioner race would be in the best interest for the county, particularly in this day, when dealing with not only recessionary problems, but also the impact of the oil spill woes.
As I have said before, we need to broaden our horizons and introduce new industry here. Having all our eggs in one basket is not wise. We need to be more business friendly, and actually help business succeed.
I think the county should bring in an advertising specialist, to assist in the planning and developing. It seems we have had everything else but.

Please go run DK's campaign.

Dawn Moliterno (sp?) brought in tons of outside advertising agencies for the chamber, she's taking that experience to the TDC.

Comander vs Kramer

What does your Mother's body in the 80's have to do with Sara running for commissioner? Vote for the qualified candidate and leave the past in the past.

I think I can understand why someone would be a registered member of one party but choose to run without a party affiliation. A small percentage of the salary of the position a candidate is seeking is paid to the Party by the candidate as part of the loyalty oath:

I am a member of the _______________________________ Party; I am not a registered member of any other
political party; I have not been a candidate for nomination for any other political party for a period of 6 months
preceding the general election for which I seek to qualify; and I have paid the assessment levied against me, if any,
as a candidate for said office by the executive committee of the political party, of which I am a member.

The money should be used by the party Executive Committee to support the candidate and help with the election. The party executive committee should have a Campaign Committee composed of State Committeepersons and the Chair, as well as appointees responsible for devising an election strategy and budget to implement a countywide campaign. If a Party executive committee doesn't have offices or a standing campaign committee capable of aiding a candidate, it seems prudent that the candidate not use precious campaign funds to pay the assessment to the Party.

As far as being able to vote for the best candidate, I agree that people should be free to speak their minds about candidates. Unfortunately, there are other loyalty oaths that may make that difficult for some people --

I, ___________________________________, having been duly sworn,
say, that I am a member of the _________ Party; that I am a qualified
elector of Walton County, Florida; that
during my term of office, I will not support the election of the opponent
of any _____________ Party nominee, I will not oppose the election of any
Party nominee, nor will I support any non _________ against a
_____________ in any election other than in judicial races; that I am
qualified under the Constitution and Laws of the State of Florida and
the Charter and Bylaws of the _____________ Party to hold the
office I am seeking, or to which I have been elected; that I have not
violated any of the laws of the State of Florida relating to election of the
Charter and Bylaws of the _______________ Party.

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/forms/index.shtml#polcom

This is why Republican committeemen and women have to support Rick Scott and Marco Rubio, and it's been used against people in other ways.http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/florida-gop-invokes-loyalty-oath-forbidding-support-of-independent-charlie/1089570

With all that said, I am supporting Sara Comander for one simple reason -- every time that I have gotten deeply involved in an issue that came before the BCC -- from the Big Blue Signs to Dawn Moliterno's midnight appointment to be ED of the TDC -- Sara Comander has been the voice of reason, the person that would hold up the stack of emails she'd received on a subject, and demand that people be allowed to voice their concerns on an issue and be heard. In short, she truly represents the people who elected her and in that she is alone on the BCC. I cannot imagine not rewarding that kind of service with another term, regardless of whether I agree with her on big national issues (that don't come before the BCC) or not.

comander va kramer

So now we're supposed to believe that DK is doing this to give back to the community when how he presents himself at many meetings is clearly for his own self interest?

He wants to have a job if Amendment 4 passes

He wants to have a job if Amendment 4 passes

Yep, if that passes the state will just board up and winterize like a foreclosure.

Please go run DK's campaign.

Dawn Moliterno (sp?) brought in tons of outside advertising agencies for the chamber, she's taking that experience to the TDC.

The outside advertising agencies are specifically for the tourists. What I think we need is too help the other existing business not particularly related directly to tourists, ie, not on 30A, and to adjust our county codes to be more friendly to new businesses that could be encouraged to move to Walton County.

What does your Mother's body in the 80's have to do with Sara running for commissioner? Vote for the qualified candidate and leave the past in the past.

Sara and her husband owned Commander Funeral Home in DeFuniak for years. I knew her back then before they sold the business.

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BEWARE of David Kramer. He is rude, and full of himself. He puts down people and acts like a know it all. He is not Commissioner material, ever watch him at a meeting? He stands up there and holds up the meeting by running his mouth and saying nothing. He thinks he is important, he likes to hear himself talk. We would all be sorry, very sorry to have this man on our Board. I am not one to get out there and do the campaign supporter type thing...but this guy makes me willing to volunteer. Assign me to a corner, give me a sign, and I'll stand there untill I can't stand there anymore to keep this guy out of Walton County Government.

[Does Mr. Kramer have any comment on why the Emerald Coast Association of Realtors endorses Mr. Kramer's opponent, Sara Comander, even though Mr Kramer is a real estate broker?[/QUOTE]

I can answer this one, as I have been subject to sitting through a few meetings with this jerk...he tries to hog the conversation, he likes the sounds of his own voice, he thinks he is more informed than anyone, he is very lacking in common "meeting" courtesy...he has no control over what comes out of his mouth...those fellow Realtors know him, and if he ever misses a meeting, probably do a happy dance so that they don't have to listen to him. What better judge of character than one's peers.

He is. Some need to check facts.

Reading Mr. Vest's comments...I think old Ronald is David's altered ego... he sounds too much like the David K I know... he needs to let his comments "stew" a little before typing them in...that way he MIGHT not sound so much like David.

The outside advertising agencies are specifically for the tourists. What I think we need is too help the other existing business not particularly related directly to tourists, ie, not on 30A, and to adjust our county codes to be more friendly to new businesses that could be encouraged to move to Walton County.

That's not a job for the TDC, it is however a job for the Chamber of Commerce which in Walton County is a small agency dedicated to receiving membership dues and providing employment to a small group.

Sara and her husband owned Commander Funeral Home in DeFuniak for years. I knew her back then before they sold the business.

So answer the question, what does her ownership in a funeral home in the 80's have to do with the current election?

That's not a job for the TDC, it is however a job for the Chamber of Commerce which in Walton County is a small agency dedicated to receiving membership dues and providing employment to a small group.

Well then perhaps the Chamber needs to step up! Although, considering the record of Walton county concerning businesses closing and leaving the area, adjustments need to be made. Let's see, St. Joe laid off 750, the chicken plant in DFS closed and moved to Alabama, the beer distributer in DFS closed... not good. We now have an airport accessible, we could use the intercoastal to ship by barge... We need to assist existing business to not only survive, but expand, and make it attractive for new business to come in.

So answer the question, what does her ownership in a funeral home in the 80's have to do with the current election?

I really didn't want to get into details, but she was abrupt, basically a snob, difficult to get along with, and if you can imagine arguing over a corpse...

Are you seriously suggesting people not vote for her because of a personal issue you had with her DECADES ago?

Are you seriously suggesting people not vote for her because of a personal issue you had with her DECADES ago?

I'm suggesting who I'm not voting for, and a general explanation why. I don't recall telling anyone who to vote for.