Did you hear...another broken promise by Obama has come to light...federal funded Abortions with the "new Obama Health Care" plan will be allowed in PA. Other state Health plans are lined up to use funds in the same way.
I believed he signed a special presidential proclamation that said that this wouldn't happen...it was this very "worthless paper promise" that got the Health Care bill passed in Congress.
Now we have another OBAMA Lie made to the American people to add to the growing list.....how can his supporters approve and still support a president who out and out lies like this to the American people? It is obvious that his personal word means nothing to him... how can you Obama supporters out in Sowal land overlook this lie made to the American people? Can you justify and defend this Obama lie or will you say it just doesn't mean anything?
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63SWGB
As a man I don't feel that I have any right to tell a woman what to do with her body.
However as a tax payer I'd happily pay once for an abortion rather than 18+ years of care. I can say this since the average abortion costs around $500-$1,000. That's not a burden on the average family. However the family that is going to have a very hard time coming up with that money is most likely in poverty to begin with which then means that the mother goes on welfare, the child goes on welfare, and often the cycle simply perpetuates itself. While birth control and condoms are cheaper than abortions they are not 100% effective.
How about we meet half way and allow the Plan B pill to be covered?
How silly, we could just force sterilizations on people who make less than an amount that might cover an abortion. :sarc:
However as a tax payer I'd happily pay once for an abortion rather than 18+ years of care. I can say this since the average abortion costs around $500-$1,000. That's not a burden on the average family. However the family that is going to have a very hard time coming up with that money is most likely in poverty to begin with which then means that the mother goes on welfare, the child goes on welfare, and often the cycle simply perpetuates itself. While birth control and condoms are cheaper than abortions they are not 100% effective.
How about we meet half way and allow the Plan B pill to be covered?
How silly, we could just force sterilizations on people who make less than an amount that might cover an abortion. :sarc:
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SoWal Insider
As a female who thinks an abortion is a medical procedure that is none of your damn business unless you are getting or performing one, I could frankly care less.
Assuming it's a late term abortion, shouldn't the child be given a say in the matter as well? Or do mom's have a right to take their children out of this world when ever they see fit to do so? ;-)
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As a man I don't feel that I have any right to tell a woman what to do with her body.
However as a tax payer I'd happily pay once for an abortion rather than 18+ years of care. I can say this since the average abortion costs around $500-$1,000. That's not a burden on the average family. However the family that is going to have a very hard time coming up with that money is most likely in poverty to begin with which then means that the mother goes on welfare, the child goes on welfare, and often the cycle simply perpetuates itself. While birth control and condoms are cheaper than abortions they are not 100% effective.
How about we meet half way and allow the Plan B pill to be covered?
How silly, we could just force sterilizations on people who make less than an amount that might cover an abortion. :sarc:
Yeah, if you can't afford to pay for an abortion, then you can't afford to raise a child. It will come back to haunt us. I don't see how anybody could have a problem on financial grounds.
SoWal Insider
I don't believe abortion should be a means of birth control. I do believe in abortion when medically necessary. And, I agree regarding the expense vs. long term medical issues and expenses. More importantly, I believe it is no one's business.......under HIPAA, we have pretty tight privacy laws, which should be respected.
And, even most importantly, I believe everyone should police themselves and not worry yourselves sick over what anothers beliefs' regarding abortion or other highly sensitive personal controversial subject matter.
And, even most importantly, I believe everyone should police themselves and not worry yourselves sick over what anothers beliefs' regarding abortion or other highly sensitive personal controversial subject matter.
Beach Fanatic
This threads premise has already been refuted. Why the poisonous bickering needs to continue is beyond me..Don't feed the trolls. :nono1: They are just like alligators - keep feeding them and they will just keep coming back for more and poisoning the political forum. They suck up all the energy that could be used for positive discussion towards solutions.
Beach Fanatic
This is why I support all gay relationshuips as well as Gay Marriage--there are no abortions--just the desire to adopt, raise, and nurture children cast off by straight couples. The sanctity of life seems to be supported here.
Beach FanaticAuthor
My whole point for the original post...I thought(wrongly might I add) that the Federal government WOULD NOT be using any tax payers money to fund abortions in the Obama Health Care plan. There were very public deals made between the President and the small group of Democrats who were holding up the passing of this bill (that many Americans didn't really want) that there would be no federal funding of abortions.
Then it turns out that this "deal" made by our President wasn't what it was made out to be... abortions were covered in the many pages of the bill, we were warned "you have to pass it to find out what's in it." I was disappointed again by him, and consider this an our right lie to the American people on his part.
I don't believe in Abortions unless for rape victims or when the life of the mother who might be in danger...I don't feel that they should be used for birth control. We all know where babies come from...we all have a local drug store near by that sells birth control. I have personal knowledge of women who have had multiple abortions... they admit they use it as a back up plan in case "it happens".... perhaps that colors my opinion on the matter.
Beach FanaticAuthor
Don't feed the trolls. :nono1: They are just like alligators - keep feeding them and they will just keep coming back for more and poisoning the political forum. They suck up all the energy that could be used for positive discussion towards solutions.
I thought a forum was for sharing ideas and having discussions between folks of different views. I haven't seen any trolls here so you can take your can of Troll Spray and move on. We are playing nice.😀 Maybe we aren't agreeing but our banter has been respectful to each other. I think deep down we all know we aren't going to change anyone's mind on this subject.:idontno:
SoWal Insider
My whole point for the original post...I thought(wrongly might I add) that the Federal government WOULD NOT be using any tax payers money to fund abortions in the Obama Health Care plan. There were very public deals made between the President and the small group of Democrats who were holding up the passing of this bill (that many Americans didn't really want) that there would be no federal funding of abortions.
Then it turns out that this "deal" made by our President wasn't what it was made out to be... abortions were covered in the many pages of the bill, we were warned "you have to pass it to find out what's in it." I was disappointed again by him, and consider this an our right lie to the American people on his part.
I don't believe in Abortions unless for rape victims or when the life of the mother who might be in danger...I don't feel that they should be used for birth control. We all know where babies come from...we all have a local drug store near by that sells birth control. I have personal knowledge of women who have had multiple abortions... they admit they use it as a back up plan in case "it happens".... perhaps that colors my opinion on the matter.
And, there are many rape victims who do not believe in abortion and would be offended that they might fall into this category. The bottom line is that this is not a one size fits all and never will be. Roe vs. Wade will never be repealed. It's very personal and should be left that way. As far as those opposed to federal funding and the President lying again, the Federal Gov't can easily get around this by offering a 'medical spending account' in our new healthcare....somewhere in the range of $500-$1,500/year and remove the verbiage of abortion in the law. Then, it's a moot point.
Beach Fanatic
Haaaaa! Haaaaaa!
As a former teacher,I found that my students, retained more, understood more, and were able to make more informed decisions when they did their own research.
But this isn't a classroom, and you aren't the one in charge of teaching any of us study skills. If you make what can be seen as an inflamatory or controversial statement, the burden of proof is 100% on you to provide an accurate citation for what you're claiming.
It's extremely sloppy on your part, and if this were academe, you'd fail the assignment for not properly supporting your thesis in any way shape or form.
Beach Fanatic
As a forum for sharing ideas, Yzarctoo is not trying to teach at all and made that clear. Posting her opinion should not bring excoriation from others just because they do not agree. There's no burden of proof on a person's principles. If you want to rebuke a post find out your own legitimate proof and run with it.
SoWal Insider
This is why I support all gay relationshuips as well as Gay Marriage--there are no abortions--just the desire to adopt, raise, and nurture children cast off by straight couples. The sanctity of life seems to be supported here.
Could it be that abortion is NOT the reason you support gay relationships and gay marriages. :scratch:
This is the most ridiculous statement i've ever heard from you. Oh, wait....that was post # 442 for you. My bad. :roll:
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The real truth of this issue is not very clear. Naturally the more conservative websites and news agencies pounced on this. According to this article fron NPR, the administration states that elective abortions will not be covered. Health Law Sparks Abortion Fight In Pennsylvania : NPR
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SoWal Expert
So Obama didn't lie or break any promise, and the only abortions paid for will be medically necessary life saving procedures.
Beach Fanatic
So Obama didn't lie or break any promise, and the only abortions paid for will be medically necessary life saving procedures.
Love a post that starts with misinformation and slanted hysteria, then just levels off into basically much ado about nothing. Thanks for clearing the matter up.
Next: Give us some new Birther misinformation to dissect, anyone?
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Beach FanaticAuthor
But this isn't a classroom, and you aren't the one in charge of teaching any of us study skills. If you make what can be seen as an inflamatory or controversial statement, the burden of proof is 100% on you to provide an accurate citation for what you're claiming.
It's extremely sloppy on your part, and if this were academe, you'd fail the assignment for not properly supporting your thesis in any way shape or form.
Does that mean that anytime someone post their opinion(s) on a matter that is in the news, that has also been a hot topic on many news shows and political blogs...... an opinion I might add that goes against your own, that they also need to provide footnotes to you and other forum readers to justify and validate their personal opinion on a subject, that they should treat their opinion as a thesis .......surely you jest!
AS to my statement being inflamatory and controversial, your words, could you please share your qualifications and your certification as an expert in judging and "grading" opinions ...
SoWal Expert
My qualifications include being the reigning Bullsheet Queen and Commissioner of Common Sense. :wave:
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Does that mean that anytime someone post their opinion(s) on a matter that is in the news, that has also been a hot topic on many news shows and political blogs...... an opinion I might add that goes against your own, that they also need to provide footnotes to you and other forum readers to justify and validate their personal opinion on a subject, that they should treat their opinion as a thesis .......surely you jest!
AS to my statement being inflamatory and controversial, your words, could you please share your qualifications and your certification as an expert in judging and "grading" opinions ...
You posted more than opinion. You related a story in the news that few if any of the people on this thread had heard about. As it turned out there was good reason to be skeptical.
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Beach FanaticAuthor
My qualifications include being the reigning Bullsheet Queen and Commissioner of Common Sense. :wave:
Could you clarify what year you were crowned Queen, and also who backed you for Commissioner of CS? I'm sure someone will ask you to provide these facts.:sarc:
SoWal Expert
I have been Queen since '95 and Commissioner is a non-partisan unpaid position whose only loyalty/debts/obligations are to the truth.
margarita brocolia
Did you hear...another broken promise by Obama has come to light...federal funded Abortions with the "new Obama Health Care" plan will be allowed in PA. Other state Health plans are lined up to use funds in the same way.Did YOU HEAR that federal money will not be used to cover elective abortions, and PA will not use federal money to go beyond the scope of the Hyde Amendment in the case of non-elective abortions?
Pa. answers abortion funding questions | WHYY News and Information | WHYY
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Beach Fanatic
Found the article online, which by the way wasn't hard, and it reads that Pennsylvania law will provide abortions with Federal money at the discretion of the doctor. Legal speak meaning there's ways around this and come on in for your abortion. We are now up to killing 43 million babies in this country. Obama lied and babies died.
Beach Fanatic
Thanks for sharing the article!
Beach Fanatic
Politifact weighs in...
PolitiFact | Abortions in Pennsylvania paid for with federal dollars? Not so.
PolitiFact | Abortions in Pennsylvania paid for with federal dollars? Not so.
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Politifact weighs in...
PolitiFact | Abortions in Pennsylvania paid for with federal dollars? Not so.
Maybe now some people will understand why providing sources of information is so important.
Holy Shiitake, this is post # 3k.
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