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fisher

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Sep 19, 2005
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Let's forget about healthcare reform for a minute as the primary way to reduce healthcare costs in the US.

In reality, the best way to reduce healthcare costs in the US is via personal responsibility and common sense. Here are a few things that would probably reduce healthcare costs in the US by 25% or more.

1. Lose weight. We are the most obese nation in the world. :yikes: How much do you think the obesity problem adds to our healthcare costs in the form of diabetes, heart attacks, etc. Stop gorging ourselves on fast food, snacks, etc, etc and begin eating reasonable portions that include fruits, veggies, nuts, etc. Then, get out and exercise.

2. Stop smoking, using illicit drugs and drinking to excess. These activities result in huge healthcare related costs due to lung cancer, emphysema, liver damage, rehab, etc, etc.

3. Stop going to the doctor demanding treatment for minor ailments such as colds. We've become a nation of wimps and hypochondriacs. People run to the doc for viral illnesses such as the common cold, viral ear infections, viral sinus infections, etc and demand antibiotics. Unfortunately, too many docs bow to the demands of the patient. This type of behaviour adds huge levels of expense to the healthcare system.

I'm sure others can add to the list. Before we "reform" our system, let's see if we can get to the real root of the problems and not only save money, but also save and improve the quality of many, many lives.

I don't want to be saddled with the cost of paying the premiums for people that do not take care of themselves. If nothing else, high risk folks that refuse to modify behaviour should be charged significantly higher premiums than those that reduce our healthcare risk, and therefore cost, by taking care of our bodies.
 

scooterbug44

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May 8, 2007
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I agree that these would be good ways to help reduce health care costs, but HOW do we do that?

People keep getting fatter and lazier and any attempts by the government, schools, doctors, etc. to promote healthy habits and exercise are soundly dismissed.

P.S. I eat well, exercise every day, don't smoke or use drugs, have no ongoing or chronic health issues, and I only go to a doctor when I am really sick or for a scheduled preventative visit. And my premiums went up 25% last year - so it's not just a preventative health issue.
 

fisher

Beach Fanatic
Sep 19, 2005
822
76
I agree that these would be good ways to help reduce health care costs, but HOW do we do that?

People keep getting fatter and lazier and any attempts by the government, schools, doctors, etc. to promote healthy habits and exercise are soundly dismissed.

P.S. I eat well, exercise every day, don't smoke or use drugs, have no ongoing or chronic health issues, and I only go to a doctor when I am really sick or for a scheduled preventative visit. And my premiums went up 25% last year - so it's not just a preventative health issue.


then, you should be rewarded, not punished. Those that do not act responsibly should be "punished" with higher premiums that will in turn promote better behaviour.
 

30A Skunkape

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Jan 18, 2006
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then, you should be rewarded, not punished. Those that do not act responsibly should be "punished" with higher premiums that will in turn promote better behaviour.

A great idea until you realize that obesity, heavy drinking and smoking are all rampant among those with the least money. I am sure they don't care much.
 

poppy

Banned
Sep 10, 2008
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Miramar Beach
Let's forget about healthcare reform for a minute as the primary way to reduce healthcare costs in the US.

I'm sure others can add to the list. Before we "reform" our system, let's see if we can get to the real root of the problems and not only save money, but also save and improve the quality of many, many lives.

I don't want to be saddled with the cost of paying the premiums for people that do not take care of themselves. .

A great idea until you realize that obesity, heavy drinking and smoking are all rampant among those with the least money. I am sure they don't care much.


The main point of healthcare reform for me is the idea of offering affordable care for those who currently cannot afford it. By bringing these people into a plan and providing preventative care, doctors will be able to advise them on a healthy lifestyle. Many of these citizens have never seen a doctor. In the long run this would save money and save and improve the quality of more American lives. Even if does cost a bit more, so what? Think of the increased productivity of a healthy worker and the health and happiness of their children which will translate into a healthier and happier nation.
 

30A Skunkape

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Jan 18, 2006
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Backatown Seagrove
The main point of healthcare reform for me is the idea of offering affordable care for those who currently cannot afford it. By bringing these people into a plan and providing preventative care, doctors will be able to advise them on a healthy lifestyle. Many of these citizens have never seen a doctor. In the long run this would save money and save and improve the quality of more American lives. Even if does cost a bit more, so what? Think of the increased productivity of a healthy worker and the health and happiness of their children which will translate into a healthier and happier nation.

I think that the vast majority of people already know what constitutes a healthy lifestyle. Most don't care, some simply can't see the economic gain (ie those who feel it is wiser to invest in the Mcfastfood dollar menu for dinner than spend more time and money on a decent home prepped meal). If you depend on doctors to counsel on lifestyle the proverbial horse is out of the barn-better to teach such matter in schools in legitimate health, nutrition and physical education classes. By the time kids get to be young teens their eating and activity habits are largely cast.
 

30A Skunkape

Skunky
Jan 18, 2006
10,279
2,320
54
Backatown Seagrove
The main point of healthcare reform for me is the idea of offering affordable care for those who currently cannot afford it. By bringing these people into a plan and providing preventative care, doctors will be able to advise them on a healthy lifestyle. Many of these citizens have never seen a doctor. In the long run this would save money and save and improve the quality of more American lives. Even if does cost a bit more, so what? Think of the increased productivity of a healthy worker and the health and happiness of their children which will translate into a healthier and happier nation.

One more thing, and sorry for double posting:blush:

One thing we could do NOW to make children healthier and happier and save a buttload of money is to make it much more difficult for new moms to get baby formula via the WIC program. Seriously. Nothing beats breast milk for promoting optimal health for a newborn, yet many if not most of the poorest American women don't even make an attempt at breastfeeding. Lord only knows how much money goes down the WIC 'formula for all' hole annually.
 

Susan Horn

Beach Fanatic
I agree that these would be good ways to help reduce health care costs, but HOW do we do that?

People keep getting fatter and lazier and any attempts by the government, schools, doctors, etc. to promote healthy habits and exercise are soundly dismissed.

P.S. I eat well, exercise every day, don't smoke or use drugs, have no ongoing or chronic health issues, and I only go to a doctor when I am really sick or for a scheduled preventative visit. And my premiums went up 25% last year - so it's not just a preventative health issue.

IMHO, if the gov't were serious about promoting healthier lifestyles, they would stop subsidizing, for instance, commodity corn, the program which had as one horrific unintended consequence the mushrooming of engineered processed "food products" loaded with corn syrup and other chemicals and junk that cause obesity, sugar problems etc.

If gov't were serious about promoting healthy lifestyles, they wouldn't teach school kids to eat healthy and then feed them fatty, starchy, vile nasty commodity surplus garbage in the lunchroom, and have garbage vending machines all over the schools. And they would still require all kids K-12 to have PE every day.

If the gov't were serious about promoting healthier lifestyles, they would stop subsidizing sprawl and a car-centered lifestyle, and instead they would start promoting the building/retrofitting of pedestrian-friendly towns, cities and neighborhoods. They would make big incentives for community gardens, clean local food supplies, etc. -- or at least not get in the way of people tryig to make that happen by creating a snarl of red tape and regulations that favor the kinds of agriculture that bring us tainted meat and veggies, and Frankenfoods.

I could go on....
 

poppy

Banned
Sep 10, 2008
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Miramar Beach
I think that the vast majority of people already know what constitutes a healthy lifestyle. Most don't care, some simply can't see the economic gain (ie those who feel it is wiser to invest in the Mcfastfood dollar menu for dinner than spend more time and money on a decent home prepped meal). If you depend on doctors to counsel on lifestyle the proverbial horse is out of the barn-better to teach such matter in schools in legitimate health, nutrition and physical education classes. By the time kids get to be young teens their eating and activity habits are largely cast.

I'm not suggesting doctors be the only source of knowledge for healthy living. We do need more education in schools and at home. Many people have no idea the state of their health because they have never seen a doctor. Once they have been informed of their high blood pressure etc. who is in a better position of authority to advise a lifestyle change than a doctor? There is no guarantee your advice will be followed, but doctors consistantly top the list of the most respected professions. A physician's opinion carries more weight than cousin bubba's ever will.
 
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