Lets talk veto

It's a choice. Blame your employer for being a cheapass who cares nothing about the health and well being of his employees. It's the same for employers who pay the minimum wage. They are saying I would really like to pay you less but it's against the law.

This idiocy tells me so much about your myopic life experience.

Just to be clear you think employers pay the cost of any insurance?
As though all employers are sitting on giant piles of cash that they took from the
employees? The consumer pays for all tax increases and anything that adds to the
cost of goods or services..... in other words you pay it, not the evil rich

And you believe the minimum wage is something other than just an arbitrary number?
double it, triple it, make it a thousand dollars an hour, you're simply sliding decimal
points over and guess who pays for it? The evil business owners who are sitting on
giant piles of cash? nope

take an economics class instead of getting all your info from liberal trash sites

I'll keep to myself at this point. Since some people on this forum seem to know what others are really thinking, I don't want to be accused of being a 'troll'. I don't read minds.

Of course the flip side is that some of us who are conservative Republicans would argue that a lot of liberal ideas are "a kitchen sink full of half baked ideas".

Trust me, the troll aspect of his post had nothing whatsoever to do with his views on the issue nor did the "kitchen sink remark". That's a separate issue. I would be unimpressed if a fellow progressive used such a technique as a means to initiate legitimate discussion.

My criticism was directed at that particular post, not conservative ideas in general. For some reason you went on to paint liberals with a broad brush, much like the troll post. I think that's part of the problem. There are complex issues, and there shouldn't be "camps" where people feel they have to go all-in with a particular side. For the coal issue for example, I could easily agree with the undeniable fact that some liberals hold the untenable view that all forms of coal should be eliminated immediately regardless of cost. At the same time, some well-informed cost-conscious conservatives are using solar power to sell energy back to the power companies, which is commendable.

In spite of the fact that it was a troll post, it could have been a decent topic starter. I could have agreed with the conservative platform on a few points, but might also have pointed out that in 2014, ridiculing solar power is like ridiculing indoor plumbing.

In my opinion, a better topic would have been "Liberals Have Unrealistic Views on Energy". The brush is a little broad, but that is true of some liberals. It's also true of some conservatives who eschew modern energy technology. We could have talked about how coal isn't going to go away in the next 20 years, but at the same time, the potential for clean solar is enormous. We all could have offered up criticisms of the extremists in either of the camps. The extremists could also have been given an opportunity to voice their points of view.

Oh. Thank you for that simple explanation.

verbal flak, it's an important tool to those who don't have a view they will commit to

Yes, it's not rocket science.

Trust me, the troll aspect of his post had nothing whatsoever to do with his views on the issue nor did the "kitchen sink remark". That's a separate issue. I would be unimpressed if a fellow progressive used such a technique as a means to initiate legitimate discussion.

My criticism was directed at that particular post, not conservative ideas in general. For some reason you went on to paint liberals with a broad brush, much like the troll post. I think that's part of the problem. There are complex issues, and there shouldn't be "camps" where people feel they have to go all-in with a particular side. For the coal issue for example, I could easily agree with the undeniable fact that some liberals hold the untenable view that all forms of coal should be eliminated immediately regardless of cost. At the same time, some well-informed cost-conscious conservatives are using solar power to sell energy back to the power companies, which is commendable.

In spite of the fact that it was a troll post, it could have been a decent topic starter. I could have agreed with the conservative platform on a few points, but might also have pointed out that in 2014, ridiculing solar power is like ridiculing indoor plumbing.

In my opinion, a better topic would have been "Liberals Have Unrealistic Views on Energy". The brush is a little broad, but that is true of some liberals. It's also true of some conservatives who eschew modern energy technology. We could have talked about how coal isn't going to go away in the next 20 years, but at the same time, the potential for clean solar is enormous. We all could have offered up criticisms of the extremists in either of the camps. The extremists could also have been given an opportunity to voice their points of view.

Frankly, I find some of your posts to be inflammatory. I have read and re-read the so called troll post and I'm still trying to figure out why it's a troll post. I was a little confused about the reference to Atlanta before my husband told me that two of the largest coal fired electric generating plants in the country are located in Georgia, so I would assume that Atlanta is dependent on those plants. There is certainly nothing explicitly taunting in that post. But since you've set yourself up as the toll police you may as well report me also.

Frankly, I find some of your posts to be inflammatory. I have read and re-read the so called troll post and I'm still trying to figure out why it's a troll post. I was a little confused about the reference to Atlanta before my husband told me that two of the largest coal fired electric generating plants in the country are located in Georgia, so I would assume that Atlanta is dependent on those plants. There is certainly nothing explicitly taunting in that post. But since you've set yourself up as the toll police you may as well report me also.

A troll post is one that pisses off a liberal.

What the hell are you talking about? I haven't reported anyone for anything ever. Give it a rest.