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dsilvar

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Jan 12, 2006
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Shelly..I know I know..."I told you so"..thats what ur thinking.
But consider, there are more than 2200 people retiring every month across he country. never mind the flippers that did make money and all the novo riche waiting for an opportunity to invest.
Our neck of the woods has a timeless beauty that can never be lost on anyone looking for beauty and peace in life.
A diamond is a diamond is a diamond......
 

Paula

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Jan 25, 2005
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Michigan but someday in SoWal as well
dsilver. I agree. "I told you so" will only work if properties keep going down and don't go up again in a few years, 5 years, decade, whatever. My understanding is that short term losses in cases like this are "corrections", not doom and gloom situations for the medium or long-term. Some risk-takers who misread the market and can't hold onto their properties will get burned -- that's why they call it a risk. I certainly take no pleasure in their losses and hope they made up for that loss somewhere else.
 

SlowMovin

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Jul 9, 2005
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The prices of virtually all goods and services generally go up over time. Nothing, though, goes up in a straight line. A price goes too high for a while, then it corrects, and it goes too low for a while...then it corrects again.

There are a few, rare exceptions--mostly "pure" commodities such as agricultural products (think about the price of corn over the last several decades...in terms of real dollars, it's been on steady decline for some time).

If you wait long enough everyone, regardless of whether they are bullish or bearish on a given market, gets to tell the other side "I told you so" at some point in time.
 

robertsondavies

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Apr 16, 2006
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SlowMovin is correct. Shelly et. al, have been right in my view. They called for this; realtors, and others here mostly with vested interests will not want to admit this though... Sure, those with "long term" views, will eventually be correct, but I would like to point out that in the long term, we're all dead. The next move in real estate pricing in South Walton, is down, the question is how severe? Will it simply just correct/erase the last 2 years of gains, of a 10 year rise (i.e. down 35%) or will it be more severe. Sellers are stubborn, at first.

If people are interested in the "long term" and don't want to trade short term (1,2,3,5 or 10 year ) views of the real estate market, perhaps they'd better move to a different forum not concerned with real estate valuations. Have a cocktail, and a cigar.

Condos are going to be the first to see the price corrections. Greed hit a wall 12 months ago today (that's when pricing stopped going up for everything down here). The AJC article this morning, on the front page tells the story of what is occuring with Condo pricing.. it is down a good chunk, and all that has happenned is that it has forced demand to cool FURTHER, and supply to mushroom. Why? Because a new DIRECTION, is being set in the minds of the buyers.

Prior to a couple months ago, the MANTRA being repeated, in SouthWalton, in Naples, in Connecticut, in Manhattan, in L.A., in San Diego, in San Fran, in Boston, in New Jersey, was this : "real estate goes up" and " the Johnsons up the street have been making a killing buying up housing in Las Vegas'" . . . . same thing the LAST buyer buying into the 1920's Florida land boom heard, and believed before buying.

So what comes next? I dunno... down 20%, down 40%, down 50%.. who knows, depends on the 10 yr. bond (which is back to its highest levels in 4 years as of last Friday), and depends on hurricane cycle... down 50% only really takes us back to 2003 valuations, so really not that drastic, unless you purchased in the last 3 years, and don't have a "long term" luxurious view.

In my experience, a good time to buy, will be when it seems as though you SHOULD NOT. I.e. we have 2-3 years of bad hurricane experience, insurers pull out completely, 10 year bond rate is back to a historical norm above 6.5 percent (30 yr. mortages ave over 8%), and everyone is worried that we're 1) in a 20 yr. cycle of hurricanes, 2) the 10 yr. bond (and therefore mortgage rates) could or will skyrocket when the Asians pull out of U.S. treasuries... and 3) all your neighbors/peers/co-workers are again making money on stock market bets, and only can REMEMBER stories of people losing money in real estate.... That is when you should consider buying, but it is a lonely island to be on, and takes some guts.
 

Beachside

Beach Comber
Nov 29, 2005
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Your insight is amazing. I wonder what your profession is. Your insight in to the 10 year bond; dollar evaulation by China; herd philosphy etc is always a good indicator.

Enjoyed your thoughts.

Beachside
 

TooFarTampa

SoWal Insider
robertsondavies said:
In my experience, a good time to buy, will be when it seems as though you SHOULD NOT. I.e. we have 2-3 years of bad hurricane experience, insurers pull out completely, 10 year bond rate is back to a historical norm above 6.5 percent (30 yr. mortages ave over 8%), and everyone is worried that we're 1) in a 20 yr. cycle of hurricanes, 2) the 10 yr. bond (and therefore mortgage rates) could or will skyrocket when the Asians pull out of U.S. treasuries... and 3) all your neighbors/peers/co-workers are again making money on stock market bets, and only can REMEMBER stories of people losing money in real estate.... That is when you should consider buying, but it is a lonely island to be on, and takes some guts.

It is hard to say for sure but it seems that time could be right about now. A quiet hurricane season and a Citizens bailout/overhaul could happen this year. But it is impossible to predict. A nasty hurricane season, coupled with some damaged seawalls and a big beach mess, not to mention more insurance struggles, an ill-considered property tax overhaul by the state, and let's not forget the rising price of fuel and the still uncertain status of the St. Joe airport (pardon me, the PCB airport!) -- all those factors could come into play in the next 18 months. It is a really tough call. There is no doubt now is a terrible time to sell along 30-A, so I imagine on the flip side it means it is also a good time to buy. But it may not be the best time to buy.

I agree that compared to other beautiful coastal areas, SoWal prices are still low or ridiculously low. And as a native Floridian I know of no beaches more gorgeous and family friendly than those along this coastline. The sand and water quality, coupled with the higher elevations, is really remarkable and in years to come is going to be more appreciated for its rarity, airport or not.
 

Pirate

Beach Fanatic
Jan 2, 2006
331
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In my opinion this is the beginning of an adjustment, not "a great time to buy". Wait 6-12 months and see what the prices are doing then. The increases of the past 3 years were ridiculous and completely unsustainable. There are thousands of properties on the market now for a reason, compared to a handful in recent years. Looks like from 80-140 months worth of inventory. This is a beautiful area no doubt but the prices now have surpassed many (most) other Florida areas. PCB looks to me like its going to get abused. I wouldn't be suprised if condos in PCB fall 60+ percent from current asking. This is how I am planning to invest my money, everyone should formulate their own opinion and invest accordingly. I may never get to buy with these thoughts but I am betting I am right. If you think now is a good time to buy it is your money and you should do it!

P.S. :lolabove: I'll be there to buy you out at the bottom if it doesn't work out :rotfl:
 

SHELLY

SoWal Insider
Jun 13, 2005
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TooFarTampa said:
It is a really tough call. There is no doubt now is a terrible time to sell along 30-A, so I imagine on the flip side it means it is also a good time to buy.


Personally, I don't think now is a good time to buy (unless you find the perfect home at a perfect price that is agreeable to you--the buyer)......I DO think now is a good time to 'take a long, leisurely, level-headed look around.'

Avoid the lure of "free, bonus" granite countertops and stainless steel appliances (the "avocado" and "harvest gold" of the new millennium)--those freebies are of no benefit to the owner when the "tax man cometh"--insist on price cuts.
 

TooFarTampa

SoWal Insider
SHELLY said:
Personally, I don't think now is a good time to buy (unless you find the perfect home at a perfect price that is agreeable to you--the buyer)......I DO think now is a good time to 'take a long, leisurely, level-headed look around.'

Avoid the lure of "free, bonus" granite countertops and stainless steel appliances (the "avocado" and "harvest gold" of the new millennium)--those freebies are of no benefit to the owner when the "tax man cometh"--insist on price cuts.

Oh, don't look at me. I'm not buying now, nor am I being a cheerleader for the market. (If I were buying I might try SHELLY'S business card trick. ;-) ) I am also separating the PCB market from 30-A. First of all, I don't know much about it, and second of all, there is no doubt 30-A is superior for so many reasons from an investment standpoint, so I feel much more comfortable that we purchased there and have time to wait.

Of course, right now I am at the beach, and it was a beautiful day, and it is easy to forget worries about peak oil/attacks on Iran/economic disaster/hurricanes blah blah blah. So who knows. I do not claim to be an expert. But I appreciate the exchange of ideas here.
 
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